would you consider drake a great lyricist

If meek has a ghostwriter he needs his money back. That ***** would literally be writing the same verse over n over again just changing the order he says things.
 
SkurrtSkurrt29 said:
Drake isn't a lyricist?
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Drake could rap circles around a bunch of dudes you guys consider lyrical, I'm sure. Just because he's not spitting punchlines every other bar doesn't mean he's not lyrical.
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I'm a big Drake fan but I wouldn't say he's a great lyricist I'd say he has a great flow over beats. 
 
Cannot consider him for anything MC related until this ghostwriting fiasco is resolved. I want to know the truth!
 
Flex is corny, but he exposed the boy. I don't own one Drake track. Gave dude a chance and my girl likes his ****, but I couldn't really get into his music. Seemed too phony.

Would I consider him lyrical? No. He stands out because the game is watered down and manipulated now.
 
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Look at it like this: Quentin Tarantino makes extraordinary films and in general receives all the credit for the movies. But do you think he sat down and wrote that script word for word? Of course he didn’t. Does it matter? Of course not. We love the movies anyway, and we call them Quentin Tarantino movies.
 
Hip Hop (rap) is supposed to be autobiographical (mostly) though we know that's usually not the case.

Tarantino is a director. Yes he has done some writing, but people love his visual style and the way he interprets a scene. Drake isn't directing rap. He's supposed to be telling HIS story, not someone else's reimagining of his life. Not quite the same.

Are raps mostly fairy tales? Yes. Does that mean you get to lie about what you wrote AND what you did/have been through. Apparently so.
 
Tarantino has a hand in the locations, cinematography , casting ,editing, themes etc

A singers voice is an instrument and a talent to have to maintain .

If someone writes for you in rap what talent is there in that ?
 
Look at the thread title.

I don't see his talent being questioned. Is Drake LYRICAL? If you don't write lyrics how can you be lyrical?

Samuel L Jackson is not actually a Jedi, a hit man, a super villain with fragile bones, an FBI agent, a helicarrier having director of shield or a crackhead. He plays those roles.

When you perform what someone else wrote you dont suddenly become a writer. Therefore, Drake can't be lyrical. He doesn't write. He reads. He's a talented reader.

EDIT: I think I misread what you wrote cash money 1999 cash money 1999 . My bad if you're saying he's NOT lyrically talented. It's early and I didn't sleep well. :smh:
 
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:lol: No type of responses, just laughing without providing any type of rebuttal. Which is fine, because my point stands.

This is a board with threads dedicated to Chief Keef and members that discredit guys like Jay-Z while holding DMX to a high standard based off his domination 15 years ago. I mean, seriously, it's not like I said Fetty Wap was the man. There's not many guys with overall ability that I would put over Drake.
 
Brolic Scholar said:
Hip Hop (rap) is supposed to be autobiographical (mostly) though we know that's usually not the case.

Tarantino is a director. Yes he has done some writing, but people love his visual style and the way he interprets a scene. Drake isn't directing rap. He's supposed to be telling HIS story, not someone else's reimagining of his life. Not quite the same.

Are raps mostly fairy tales? Yes. Does that mean you get to lie about what you wrote AND what you did/have been through. Apparently so.
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Sounds like you need to look of the definition of hip hop/rap
 
Brolic Scholar said:
Look at the thread title.

I don't see his talent being questioned. Is Drake LYRICAL? If you don't write lyrics how can you be lyrical?


When you perform what someone else wrote you dont suddenly become a writer. Therefore, Drake can't be lyrical. He doesn't write. He reads. He's a talented reader.

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But he does write, and has been giving writer credits for other artists songs :lol:
 
CASH MONEY 1999 said:
Tarantino has a hand in the locations, cinematography , casting ,editing, themes etc

A singers voice is an instrument and a talent to have to maintain .

If someone writes for you in rap what talent is there in that ?
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You have to have an image, a certain sound, be able to attract fans. There are so many other factors. There's a reason meek mill will only be so big because he offers one type of sound.
 
So, in 2015 the "definition" of hip hop is having a ghost writer and that rapper is considered the "best in the game"
 
Dudes ok. I prefer listening to rappers with more testosterone. I'd rather listen to R&B.
 
SkurrtSkurrt29 said:
:lol: No type of responses, just laughing without providing any type of rebuttal. Which is fine, because my point stands.

This is a board with threads dedicated to Chief Keef and members that discredit guys like Jay-Z while holding DMX to a high standard based off his domination 15 years ago. I mean, seriously, it's not like I said Fetty Wap was the man. There's not many guys with overall ability that I would put over Drake.
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This forum used to be nicknamed HovTalk you don't know what you're talking about bruh
 
SkurrtSkurrt29 said:
I do.

But keep missing the point while not bringing anything constructive to the convo.
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You've been here less than a year, you don't.


On the topic:
What lyrics has Drake dropped that made you go "Wow his lyricism here is amazing!"
Dude will complain about a girl, then act like he doesn't care about a girl, then talk about how you don't want to step to his crew and he's going to pop bottles about it. Then whine about something. Just because his **** is catchy and he makes it sound good means he's a good lyricist. Nobody was entertaining your debate because it was blatantly obvious you were wrong. There is no point that is being missed.
 
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I've been reading this board and have had multiple names since about 2007, so kill all that.

I'm not about to sit here and type verses, bar for bar, just so you can still disagree with me. But it's clear YOU don't know what verses he has that are great because you come in here and make the same corny *** arguments like every other person who dislikes Drake. I even said in the first post "he raps about the same thing over and over," so I'm not sure why you're ignoring that.

But since you want references:

Paris Morton Music
Tuscan Leather
Lust For Life
The Calm
Days In The East
The Resistance
Say What's Real
 
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Brolic Scholar said:
Look at the thread title.

I don't see his talent being questioned. Is Drake LYRICAL? If you don't write lyrics how can you be lyrical?

Samuel L Jackson is not actually a Jedi, a hit man, a super villain with fragile bones, an FBI agent, a helicarrier having director of shield or a crackhead. He plays those roles.

When you perform what someone else wrote you dont suddenly become a writer. Therefore, Drake can't be lyrical. He doesn't write. He reads. He's a talented reader.

EDIT: I think I misread what you wrote cash money 1999 cash money 1999 . My bad if you're saying he's NOT lyrically talented. It's early and I didn't sleep well. :smh:
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yeah even before the ghostwriting allegations and leaked reference track Drake wasn't particularly lyrical to me :lol: I enjoyed his music and his songwriting
But I can't understand how anyone could defend ghostwriting . I've only turned a cheek for producers under the understanding that that I'm not putting them in my "top" 5,10,15,20 etc.
That's the reason you rarely see kanye in someones top 10 despite the fact that he arguably has 3-4 classic albums .

If you're not bringing any unique quality to the song I'm not sure how talented you could be considered honestly. Especially when you throw in the fact that Drake is a horrid performer ..he just walks from side to side on stage throughout the show.

Dudes like chris brown may have writers but he pop locking for an hour , spitting bars , holding notes etc .
 
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He's not a great lyricist, but he can make good tracks.

As far as singing, Z-Ro & Chamillionaire >>> Drake
 
Kanye falls in the same boat as Drake....and guess what, the "kids" who are their core market do not care.

What's funny is that Sprite is actually marketing Drake as lyrical, putting him in the same category as Rakim, Nas and the Great B.I.G.
 
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