I never ignored you bro. I owe you what like 40 bucks?
I'm gonna start to tally the ridiculous preseason comments made by Lions fans.
So far we have them winning the division at 12-4 with a 5-1 division record, averaging 30 PPG and still maintaining a top defense even after losing Suh.
Hopefully we can keep on building from this. Keep it up fellas.
In football when only two DTs play at a time and one of those DTs you lost was far and away the best defensive player on your team and one of the best defensive players in the entire NFL, and definitely the player most responsible for that run defense, it's gonna make a pretty significant difference. Like I said, I saw it happen first hand to the Bears a couple of years ago with Tommie Harris, who wasnt nearly as good as Suh, so I have a good enough idea of what should be expected.
So to respond to the above statement, yes. One or two players can make a huge difference in an all-time great run defense. When the position they play only uses 1 or 2 players at a time, and is probably the most important position on the field regarding run defense. Since they are ones responsible for winning the battle at the line of scrimmage, getting into the back field, and making life a lot easier for the rest of the team. The Lions defense is far from "stacked," they just had a stacked DL last season that was the best in the NFL. This made things a lot easier for the rest of the bunch. IMO you wont truly realize how important Suh was for the entire defense until you see them play more games without him.
Even beyond Tommie Harris, the Bears were still able to hold things down (more or less) when we lost him because of all the talent we had on that all-time great defense. We had pro bowlers all over the field at every position. But when we lost Urlacher to injury in a couple of those seasons, our ENTIRE defense sacrificed. They went from an elite unit to absolutely miserable in the blink of an eye because Urlacher was the MVP of that defense and the player who held it all together as the MLB in Lovie's Cover 2 defense. Suh was more or less your Urlacher. IMO you're crazy if you think you will just lose a player like that and barely miss a beat. It's gonna hurt.
Listen if you want to predict the Lions going 12-4, averaging 30+ PPG and once again having a top defense in the NFL, more power to you. I can't tell you that they wont. However, I can tell you how much I think yall sound like homers as somebody with an outsider's perspective, and hold you accountable for these statements later in the season if/when the Lions underachieve. But if the Lions do somehow live up to your lofty expectations, I will also be the first one to give you props. I just think you are getting very carried away with your extreme bias.
I'm actually a Bears fan but I can remain realistic and know when my teams arent very good when they arent.
And Idk how good the Vikings will be this year, but if you don't consider a 7-9 team getting back arguably the best RB in the NFL after missing an entire year and who's impressive rookie QB will be entering his 2nd season to be "improved," then you are just blinded by hate. I wouldn't say that the Lions will definitely be better than Minnesota this season, and I hate both of those teams.
Also also Ngata is passed his prime and Suh had as many sacks last season as Ngata did the past 3 and more tackles last season than Ngata did in his past 2. It's night and day. Keep spinning losing Suh as no big deal for a team that was carried by the best DL in the NFL, you'll figure it out eventually.
By that logic I guess the Bears defense will magically turn around because we brought in Vic Fangio, who has ran one of the best defenses in the NFL in San Fran over the past 5 years. Thanks for that insight.
And @SneakerPro I never said Ngata is bad. Just that he is passed his prime and nowhere near the level of Suh in the apex of his prime years. Suh is the best DT in the game right now. I know tackles and sacks arent the end all be all for DTs but it's just a tangible example of the some of the production you will be losing from Suh. And most of the intangible stuff you are losing that you don't find in the stat sheet are even more of a testament to Suh's dominance than the sack and tackle numbers.
Also, I never said AP will necessarily be a beast. You need to learn how to read better brother. I mean, he certainly might be a beast considering that AP is the best RB I have ever seen in my lifetime of watching football and he is only 30 and fresh as can be after missing a year, but I was just pointing out that he is an upgrade over what they had last season when the Vikings went 7-9, and thus he will improve the team. You know, since you said the Vikings wont be improved this season.
I did not say Ngata is passed his prime and AP isnt, which seems to be what you took away from what I wrote. I just said that Ngata is a significant downgrade to what you had last year (Suh) while AP is a significant improvement over what the Vikings had last year, when they werent even a bad team.
But yeah, I can see that I cant win vs yall and your homerism. Nor do I even want to, because in all honesty it is extremely entertaining. I'll just wait for the season to start and watch you likely be proven wrong by the only thing you will listen to: on field results. So I will follow your advice and sit this one out and go back to being an extremely amused observer.