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Honestly I'm not going to go do a bunch of research to find that answer.

Hes 35-46 career... Say its a team game and not all on the QB and whatever else but once again they're not getting the job done.

We really holding 2009 and 2010 against Stafford? You tell me who was coming in there and winning?

From 2011-2014 he's exactly .500 and made the playoffs half the time.

He has the worst running game in football of any quarterback that played all 4 of those years and the defense was only good one of those years

He's a slightly above mediocre quarterbacknow with great talent. Should he be better yes? But he's not garbage.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't beat a winning team on the road in 3 years and his numbers in the playoffs fall off.

A hot take artist could say Aaron Rodgers now is only great at home and chokes in the playoffs

So Rodgers stat pads at home and chokes in playoffs. He got hot one year and one a Super Bowl so he's stat padding Eli Manning with one less Super Bowl.

I mean the numbers the last 3 years speak for themselves right?
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Man come on.:lol 

 

First off I never said Stafford was trash.

 

Secondly if I have the 3-32 or 3-33 stat wrong or whatever, let me know, but clearly that is not a desirable number.

 

And Rodgers being stat padder is laughable considering he throws the ball about 3/4 the amount that Stafford does.  

 

Gonna bag on AR because hes (based on TD%, INT%, Comp% etc) the most efficient QB in the history of the league... Barely in the top 15 among active QB's in Att/game.

 

Anyways, I'm not about to argue AR vs Stafford or anything remotely close to it... Stafford, whether you wanna blame him or not is on a team that's not, and hasn't been getting it done, period.

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Rodgers is great in every way I just think that 3-32 is a hot take stat just like Rodgers recent road record and playoff performances are.

But you and I know Chester and Shoes have brought it up as if he's falling off
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I do see how its a flawed stat but even casting it aside, when has Stafford ever been a top 10 QB? 2011? Even then it may be debatable that he wasn't... 

 

I'm sorry the Lions are having a **** season and got screwed by the refs the other night... I feel bad for the fans.

 

Not 7th mile though, I don't feel bad for him. :lol

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Post all quarterbacks records since 2011 vs winNing teams

Personally i don't even care about 2008 and 2009 because Jesus couldn't have won with those teams

Also since he can't beat a winning team on the road look at other "elite" quarterbacks during that time

The best of the best can't do it consistently but people throw out that hot take stat as if it's the gospel about Stafford

First of all, Stafford was not on the 2008 Detroit Lions roster. He was at Georgia. He was the reward you got for going 0-16. Your QB's in 2008: Dan Orlovsky (seven starts), Daunte Culpepper (five starts), Jon Kitna (four starts), and then apparently Drew Stanton played in three games and Drew Henson played in two games.

I guarantee any QB held in equal or higher regard to Matthew Stafford has a better W-L record against winning teams. If you want to deny it, you can do that research. But just so you know in case you're worried about wasting your time, there's a reason FOX and ESPN make graphics to say that about Stafford and nobody else.
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The issue with that stat is that W's vs 8-8 teams don't count for you as a positive, but if you lose to them, they're 9-7 and it counts against you... It should be ".500 or better" teams.

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Lions' Lombardi: I still don't think Stafford is broken



Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press 3:39 p.m. EDT October 8, 2015

Matthew Stafford has regressed in his second season in Joe Lombardi's offense and is on pace to tie a career high in INTs

Joe Lombardi was a few hours into his job as Detroit Lions offensive coordinator when he made headlines two years ago with a colorful assessment of Matthew Stafford's play.

"The good news is that he's not broken, that much is clear," Lombardi told Yahoo Sports at the Senior Bowl in 2014.

Twenty games into his tenure as Lions playcaller, with the offense woefully underachieving and Stafford on pace to tie a career high in interceptions, Lombardi isn't ready to back away from his quarterback just yet.

"I still don't think he's broken," Lombardi said today. "I think he's a good player."

Stafford and the Lions offense have struggled mightily in their 0-4 start.

The Lions rank 29th in the league in points scored, 30th in total offense, and Stafford has as many touchdowns as interceptions (five) for a unit that's gone almost six quarters without reaching the end zone.

Stafford said Wednesday that he faults himself for some of the offense's troubles.

"I definitely look at myself with a fine-toothed comb," he said. "I'm trying to find ways maybe I can be a little bit better in some areas and make sure I'm just trying to be as good a leader as I possibly can be. Encourage guys, get guys to do the little things right, be motivated in the right way, and that's your job as a quarterback. It's not only to just throw the ball to the receivers, it's get us in all of the right plays and do all that kind of stuff and do that at a very consistent level. So I'm definitely trying to do that as good as I possibly can."

Lombardi praised Stafford for taking better care of the football, even though he's on pace to throw 20 interceptions. And he said the Lions have bigger issues on offense than the play of their 27-year-old quarterback.

"My biggest concerns are getting the run game going and getting some bigger chunks in the passing game," Lombardi said. "We had some things (in Monday's loss to the Seattle Seahawks) that were well within our control that killed drives. Whether it was a third-and-1 mental error or the penalties in the second half that knocked us off. So there's things that are in our control.

"I think Matt Stafford is a very good quarterback that we're happy to have. I don't think – of all my concerns, Matt's not the biggest one. So we've got to protect him, we've got to run the ball better. He's going to take care of his side of it."

Despite the offense's plain-to-see issues - Arizona Cardinals safety Tyrann Mathieu said Wednesday that the Lions "look like they don't quite understand the system yet," a charge Lombardi disputed - not everything has gone wrong for Stafford this year.

He's completing a higher percent of his passes (65%) than at any point in his career, his 106 completions leads the NFL and he’s on pace for his fifth straight 4,000-yard season.

But more often than not, Stafford's passes have gone for short, often insignificant gains, and the Lions, at coach Jim Caldwell's behest, have made a point to rein in their quarterback's big but erratic arm.

Stafford misfired on two deep passes to Calvin Johnson in Monday's loss to the Seahawks, and in the first three weeks his offensive line rarely gave him time to take shots downfield.

Caldwell insisted today that "almost in every area (Stafford is) getting better," and he said the Lions' offensive woes are a group effort.

"It's on all of us," Caldwell said. "That's one of the things about the quarterback position gets too much credit when you win, too much blame when you lose. So it's not just him."

Lombardi agreed, and he said he expects a turnaround for Stafford and the entire offense soon.

"Look, I think one, he's played probably better than he's given credit for," Lombardi said. "His completion percentage is up and the thing that we're missing in the passing game is the big play. It's a key to scoring is getting chunks and so we've got to get more chucks and I think that'll come."
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Post all quarterbacks records since 2011 vs winNing teams

Personally i don't even care about 2008 and 2009 because Jesus couldn't have won with those teams

Also since he can't beat a winning team on the road look at other "elite" quarterbacks during that time

The best of the best can't do it consistently but people throw out that hot take stat as if it's the gospel about Stafford

First of all, Stafford was not on the 2008 Detroit Lions roster. He was at Georgia. He was the reward you got for going 0-16. Your QB's in 2008: Dan Orlovsky (seven starts), Daunte Culpepper (five starts), Jon Kitna (four starts), and then apparently Drew Stanton played in three games and Drew Henson played in two games.

I guarantee any QB held in equal or higher regard to Matthew Stafford has a better W-L record against winning teams. If you want to deny it, you can do that research. But just so you know in case you're worried about wasting your time, there's a reason FOX and ESPN make graphics to say that about Stafford and nobody else.

First what regard is Matt Stafford held?

Because I did the research at the end of last season and the only quarterbacks that were above .500 are the elites
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Ok, and how many were 3-30 or whatever his number was? There's a large gray area between Stafford's 3-30 and the 'elite QB's' 16-16 and above (.500 and above) records you referenced.
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Riddick and Reiff are the other two captains

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Caldwell said Larry Warford is "on the mend" from that ankle injury

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Caldwell wouldn't say how much Levy will be able to play. I do expect a full set of snaps

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I'm prepared for every outcome in that Lions-Cardinals game. Can't figure out the way Arizona will come into this one.

Rams could play their best game and I still have seen Rodgers evade rushes that good and better so I don't know if it will matter in the way it would need to/change anything with who wins this game.

Kansas City over Chicago if that needs to be said.
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I'm prepared for every outcome in that Lions-Cardinals game. Can't figure out the way Arizona will come into this one.

Rams could play their best game and I still have seen Rodgers evade rushes that good and better so I don't know if it will matter in the way it would need to/change anything with who wins this game.

Kansas City over Chicago if that needs to be said.

I agree with everything except Kansas City over Chicago.

I'm betting the entire division covers spread again this week.

Would have made some serious money if I could have got that bet in in time.
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Let's go STL! Make it a long day for #12
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Let's go STL! Make it a long day for #12

Yea....grrrrrrrrreat start
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Yea....grrrrrrrrreat start

😤😤😤 man he make **** look so easy at times
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I swear I've NEVER seen a season with so many damn penalties like these first 5 weeks.
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And there goes the streak! Rodgers picked.


Harrison Smith was the last one to pick it off, in 2012. 586 straight attempts until James Laurinaitis intercepted him moments ago.
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Aaron Rodgers is a mortal man
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"See. He's just a man."
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The injuries keep piling up for the Packers: DT B.J. Raji has a groin injury. His return is questionable.... espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId…

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Rams defense playing too good to be losing this game, they got 0 offense outside of Gurley
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Basically what we expected to happen. The Rams offense couldn't do it in back-to-back games, because it's not who they are truly so they'll always be limited if they can't outscore teams.

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Abdullah fumbles. Again. It's officially a problem.
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Can't believe we won that. W is a W. nthat.gif
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I don't want this man to be our QB next year
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I don't want this man to be our QB next year

Man that was a bad move, but that is all on the play caller. We run that screen play multiple times a game, of course defenses are going to read that and jump the route.

Every goddamn play that has been ran has been within 7 yards of the LOS. The only plays downfield have been all Stafford recognizing defensive offsides
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Lions recover, but Abdullah with his second fumble of the day.

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