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People hear science and think dinosaurs and evolution
It's just a series of checks and balances accumulated over time.
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People hear science and think dinosaurs and evolution
It's just a series of checks and balances accumulated over time.
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Prove to me that god can't divide by zero.
You can't disprove it.
So it's possible.
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Hmmmmm....... If God can do all, does that mean he should be able to? Ouch. Minds will break thinking about that
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Even with scientific theories like evolution it's amazing to me how so many people don't understand it thinking chimps got to level 21, no one pressed B and poof humans were born
It's what happens when uneducated Christian teachers make things up as they go because they don't understand the subject
It's what happens when uneducated Christian teachers make things up as they go because they don't understand the subject
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Fair enough. You are interested in the psychology of religion. And you are interested in education and how many in this country lack an understanding of many varying basic concepts. But is it safe to say you are not actively, even if genuinely, interested in the actual answers to the questions god gives some people?
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"God gave me an answer" isn't an argument, it's a claim.
Ex
"I got 5 dollars"
How did you get it?
"I have it"
Ok... Where did you get it from?
"5 dollars is in my hand"
???????
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i dont know what you mean by this
could you reword it so that I can give you a proper response?
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You all are still talking to me like you talk to the christians. I am aware of the capabilities and limits of science. No need to patronize me.
Prove to me that god can't divide by zero.
You can't disprove it.
So it's possible.
It amuses me that you reply with such sarcastic, condescending glee at the fact you have figured out matter wasn't created by an invisible giant in the sky, thinking and pointing his finger. Congratulations, you're remedial, we're all very proud of you. Now cover up kid, your ego is showing.
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That's literally not how that works. Literally.
This is you showcasing you don't know what an argument from ignorance is.
You don't need to know everything to not use the fallacy of an argument form ignorance. Go look it up.
This is all hogwash and you haven't been paying attention
No. That's how it's always been if you knew what the word agnostic and atheist meant you'd know that but you clearly do not.
Sadly I have.
Yeah and you ignored what I said in response.
That's not close to a paradox.
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To simplify with the earlier metaphor. Are you interested in whats in the box? And if so, how does rehashing over and over a singular thing that is not in it lead to any greater clarity on that interest?
My point all along, which has been sufficiently deviated by now, was that why not, as an intellectual, move away from using science to refute a literal interpretation of the bible? Honestly, that is childs play. There are so many topics and ideas that are currently in the realm of spirituality that could and should be brought into the realm of science. The religious folks keep their spirituality walled off from atheist science. And the atheist scientists keep science walled off from spirituality. I believe there's is beneficial knowledge to be gained by considering both in conjunction. Using science to show a christian the world is older than a few thousands years is like using science to build a rocketship to take you to the corner store. But that pretty much sums up the dialogue of science and religion these days.
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It would be nice to know
right now the current options are god and something other than god
what's in the box has one correct answer, we do not know the answer but some one can say its A and someone else says its B and they cant both be correct (they can both be wrong)
the two possible outcomes I am hoping for out of this conversation (which are both unlikely but I'm bored on a sunday)
1. i get evidence of god existing (even if it doesnt make sense, evidence is better than "you cant prove he doesnt exist") that will alter my opinion on the matter
2. I am able to get through to him that his logic is seriously flawed and we get another person in the world who works towards finding the RIGHT answer rather than being happy with a made up answer. we need more people that think logically, our world is slowly falling apart (environmental issues) and we need people who are motivated to take action rather than sitting around hopelessly scared of the wrath of god
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whats the difference between atheist science and normal science?
Pretty sure he's talking to you like someone who has faith, stop trying to hide behind your supposed "non-christianness", you in the same boat as them.
Right
This guy comes in here being condescending to both sides of the earlier discussion, but we're supposed to address his pompous tone with respect because he thinks he's above all of us.
And then wants to talk about ego
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Pretty sure he's talking to you like someone who has faith, stop trying to hide behind your supposed "non-christianness", you in the same boat as them.
I can tell you I have no faith in any thing in particular and that I am not in a boat with Christians. You can take that at face value, or likely not since I know you are just itching to crack open your folder of atheist gifs and copy pasta and stroke your ego til you cream. Trust I have no intention in entertaining your nonsense. You have been banned more times than I can count because you are not able to have respectful disagreements like most adults. Stick to facts and logic and we'll be good, your opinion means very little to most members on this forum at this point, I'm sure you're aware.
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I don't get it Frank, you're input so far has been to tell other atheists they're wasting their time arguing for pgs while low key supporting the religious.
What's it to you? Why does it bother you or any of your concern? What we eat don't make you ****.
We're wasting our time.
Okay
Bye.
Now you just kinda going on personal attacks singling out posters. Aren't you wasting your time? I aint really seeing you add anything to the thread.
What's it to you? Why does it bother you or any of your concern? What we eat don't make you ****.
We're wasting our time.
Okay
Bye.
Now you just kinda going on personal attacks singling out posters. Aren't you wasting your time? I aint really seeing you add anything to the thread.
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Stick to facts and logic and we'll be goodPretty sure he's talking to you like someone who has faith, stop trying to hide behind your supposed "non-christianness", you in the same boat as them.
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Dude really came in here just to hate on atheists acting like he wants to have a civil debate when he doesn't even have a concrete stance on the topic. Where they do that at?
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To me, God, as in the father of jesus, created the world in 6 days god, is not even on the table. The options for me are either complete randomness and coincidence or intentional creation or design. Or "not god" vs. "depends on how you define god". If a computer created our reality you could in a sense consider it god. If consciousness can affect matter and collapse probabilities you could say we are god in a sense, somehow. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if you wanna call it god or how you argue that classification or if some people want to go and make a religion about it, I just really want to know what it is and how it works.
What is evidence of god though? I know you were being somewhat facetious but I've wondered what that would even look like. I don't even comprehend the concept.
Ahhhh, you're doing missionary work, trying to get some converts, I see. As I said earlier the genius of religion is its use of faith. By definition, faith trumps logic, science and rationality. Faith is not strong when you have logic and facts in correspondence. To have strong faith it must remain when everything is at odds with it. Belief no matter what is literally the cornerstone of christianty and the single most important tenant. It's almost like they knew everything would be disproven one day. I say all that to say, you really got an uphill battle. In terms of more motivated action and thinking logically I definitely agree but lets not act like americans are stupid and lazy because religion solely or even mainly.
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Right
This guy comes in here being condescending to both sides of the earlier discussion, but we're supposed to address his pompous tone with respect because he thinks he's above all of us.
And then wants to talk about ego
So you don't like it when it's done to you? Do you see how you come off? You'd just as soon expect the religious to treat your pompous tone with respect because you think you are more intelligent. Which you may actually be but, the need to put that on display? Too much. But you ARE intent on arguing if theres a man hiding behind the clouds, so idk. I'm just trying to inspire a little more depth in the convo.
Honestly, part of it is probably that I just want to talk spirituality with people who aren't religious but at the same time aren't so new-agey that they might as well be religious. I wanted to turn the direction of what was going on in here. No one was gonna listen unless I told them about themselves lol..
The other part is probably why you all keep at it. I could say the same thing to you, why do you care what Christians believe? How is it your concern? I guess it just bothers me to see the oversimplification and close mindedness in most of these type of threads on the part of atheists. I've come to grips a long time ago with the way religious people think, I've had that argument plenty, it's like rehab, it's not gonna work if you force it before they're ready. Like an atheist, what is sufficient explanation for religion is not enough for me, I want to know more, how. Thats the next logical intellectual progression to me. But everyone always seems stuck on beating a dead horse.
If I want to talk about religious texts as allegory, no one wants to do that. If i want to talk about the various frequencies that emanate from our bodies carrying genetic code, feelings, emotions, biological data ect... unique to the individual at a given time and how that may relate to a soul. How about the inexplicable and inextricable way in which the creation of matter is linked to the perception of matter. How do the laws of physics behave on a barren earth?
But its always spaghetti monster this, carbon dating that. Focusing the science and logic on the narrowest scope possible and towards an end we already KNOW the answer to.
Dude really came in here just to hate on atheists acting like he wants to have a civil debate when he doesn't even have a concrete stance on the topic. Where they do that at?
Who in here has a concrete stance on anything? You mean your stance on the man behind the clouds? Truly revolutionary. Even if nearly every scientist on the planet hadn't confirmed it years before you were even born.
Or is "I don't know" your concrete stance lol?
The original sentence was probably worded poorly but I just meant that some people, namely religious people, chose to believe their particular god is the answer to all that is unknown. Let's not get nitpicky, theres nothing there, I know you have responses to those type of statements already typed up and saved on your computer but just slow down cowboy. You might need to actually do some critical thinking on this one.
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Just to clarify, from my perspective we are talking about an argument so remedial that it is essentially meaningless. I'll leave you to your meaningless arguments if you prefer tho. Didn't mean to disrupt the quasi-intellectual circle jerk. Sorry
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Stop giving yourself that much credit. I'd like to believe I don't need prepared arguments to argue with religious people, it's not like I'm over here discussing quantum physics with Einstein.
How come your God stopped talking to people all of a sudden? I used to be Christian this 5^$$# never talked to me.
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Frank, you typed up all that just to say nothing.
My favorite line, "what's evidence of God?..... I Don't even comprehend the concept"
My favorite line, "what's evidence of God?..... I Don't even comprehend the concept"
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thats the thing though, when it comes to god its always going to be working backwards which isnt about the truth since its taking what you want the truth to be and making it fit reality.
the only way someone has a "correct" definition of an god that exists is for them to wait until scientific facts come out and they rewrite their definition to fit accordingly "oh yeah, THATs actually what i meant by god".
because of this the concept of god is pointless, its just a filler to the unknown pretending to exist while we work to figure out the real answer.
faith is why religion is so dangerous, the fact that people can be brainwashed to believe things without evidence. how you can convince someone that they will have endless riches in the afterlife and the way to make god happy and earn these riches is to fly a plane into a building.
global warming is a huge problem and if not addressed properly it will cause radical change in the world (these are facts). its mind boggling that there are so many americans that dont believe in global warming due to religious ignorance to scientific discoveries. its the overall mindset that its okay to just believe what you want to believe and the hardships will go away rather than confronting the problem and finding a solution.
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this is what comes from people clueless enough to believe in faith rather than logical thought.
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take a second to think about the job description of a preacher
Hi, I get paid to interpret a book that can be used to justify literally anything to a large group of people who will listen to and believe everything I say without checking to see if it makes logical sense.
no one man should have all that power
Hi, I get paid to interpret a book that can be used to justify literally anything to a large group of people who will listen to and believe everything I say without checking to see if it makes logical sense.
no one man should have all that power
