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[josh4523]

my shirt for the day, COYG

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[captaincrown3]

LVG was signing his death warrant that's what he done. I said the tide was turning weeks ago but now it has gone full sail. Pretty much everyone wants him gone now. It's similar to Moyes now, when only the rose tinted fans have faith in him. The only question is will he see the season out, I say yes but he has to go in the Summer.

This. Big supporter of LVG before the Powell-Mata move last night, playing two u-21s over Young at fullback, finally playing 1 pivot and you got a terribly unfit Bastain covering that position, where he was burned all night. He can't defend some of those moves on a must win situation. 

 

[Coupé It]

I think the RVP and Nani situation honestly was a bit naive. I'm going to assume the thinking was that other players would come in, but you know the old saying about a bird in hand. So there I agree with you.

However, I highly doubt the Rooney situation is in LVG's hands. I (and many others) think that Rooney's guaranteed starter position is a contractual obligation that was put in place between Rooney and the club. There is no reason on earth why Rooney is still constantly playing with his performances.

Di Maria didn't want to be at United. End of story.

Bringing on Powell in the middle of an important MUST win game is absolutely ludicrous, and it's a decision that I'll never understand. People have been saying maybe Giggs had more of an influence on that choice but as a manager surely the buck stops with you, and you had to have seen that was a stupid decision before making it.

I'm not mad at the Memphis situation. He needs time to adjust to players, system etc. When he was dropped, I was actually quite happy about it.

The situation that has really grinded my gears was the Herrara situation, but I believe that goes right back to the Rooney saga.

Okay so you basically agreed with everything I said (Minus the Di Maria situation, even tho I'm a firm believer LvG could have done more to make him stay and feel comfortable). And I forgot to add in the Herrara situation like you just did, that situation is an absolute mess, he's a great player. For the sake of Truth-Serum coming in here, I won't touch the Nani situation, but he could have def been used on multiple occasions this season, especially with this defensive-style United are playing. Speed and counter-attacking are very important when your strategy is defensive.


Going onto the the Rooney situation, I've said before I think the United marketing brass or some contract stipulation is forcing the Rooney playing (but I was being a funny conspiracy theorist). If what I said and what you're saying is true, thats got to be the ONLY time in contract agreement history that a mandatory start to every game is in the clause. Thats something Messi, Ronaldo, etc don't even have.

So I can't buy that excuse - I think thats solely on LvG and his ideological perception of Rooney - flat out stubbornness. (But if its true, Wayne Rooney should FOREVER be condemned by Man United fans and football fans for the rest of natural life) I couldn't imagine the amount of diva-ness and gaudiness Wayne Rooney has/had in demanding a clause like that, despicable. But once again, I don't think thats true, and if it was - that information would have BEEEN leaked.


So what do you do with LvG eiddyfouw , you're one of the last people on his side, you've always been a big fan of his - is it time to part ways in the summer?

 

[eiddyfouw]

No surprise here...Gary Monk was sacked today from Swansea...

Can't say we didn't see this coming...his latest results were simply awful...

 

[Coupé It]

Take the ridiculous wages Rooney makes and act like that doesn't exist - WTF would Everton want with him from a footballing point of view with Barkley, Traore, and most importantly Lukaku on the team?

Rooney is on his way to the MLS next, I seriously think so. Who wants this dude?

 

[rolaholic]

Speaking of MLS,apparently Falcao has interest in joining...

Also looks like Vela's gonna go to the Fire

 

[eiddyfouw]

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Whether that contractual obligation that I'm thinking of is actually on paper or not, is neither here nor there in my mind. I firmly believe that the board is forcing LVG's hand on Rooney as he's meant to be the great english hope for the most successful club in England. He's meant to be the flagship marquee player, when you think about the marketing side of the business (Rooney's face is EVERYWHERE) I can see why the board is pushing for Rooney to always play. We've seen LVG drop players, fire RVP with ease, but for some reason, Rooney gets special treatment (history shows Rooney consistently gets special treatment across 3 managers now).

To be honest, I'm not exactly on LVG's side. I'm trying to be as objective as possible here. I've said it numerous times:

who else is available?

Carlo? He's generally a better manager when he has a lot of talent at his disposal.
Pep? Sure, sounds lovely, but he's currently contractually obligated and there's no sign of him leaving yet.

I only believe it's only time to get rid of LVG if there is a suitable replacement. Right now off the top of the dome (I'm already on the wine) I can't think of anyone, maybe I'll remember someone later. Hence no one is available right now, I don't see the point in sacking him, or discussing his sacking.

 

[jking0821]

Do you guys think a coach change can make the difference at Man U? Like i think they brought in good players and have good youth and personally think a new coach could get them to new heights.

But does anyone think that LVG is doing ok with what he has? Like honestly if he hasn't spent that much money (per the article posted). He is still in the Top 4 in the EPL. So he got bounced from CL....oh well....

Would be nice if they had more players healthy as well. But then again every team would benefit from more health (looking at you Aguero)

 

[AZwildcats]

I'm conflicted between losing today and hoping the squad makes a run in Europa League (which still has some strong competition) or beating Porto today and taking the payout and using that for future transfers.

Easiest route to Champions league football next year would be to win the Europa League. But if we can't beat teams like Bournemouth at home, I highly doubt we win the EL that still has teams like Sevilla and Liverpool in it. I'd prefer we try to win the group, and then hope for a team like PSV in the next round

 

[QU!K]

Yeah Martinez isn't that stupid

 

[rck3sactown]

here's to rooting for all EPL teams catching L's today

 

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Whether that contractual obligation that I'm thinking of is actually on paper or not, is neither here nor there in my mind. I firmly believe that the board is forcing LVG's hand on Rooney as he's meant to be the great english hope for the most successful club in England. He's meant to be the flagship marquee player, when you think about the marketing side of the business (Rooney's face is EVERYWHERE) I can see why the board is pushing for Rooney to always play. We've seen LVG drop players, fire RVP with ease, but for some reason, Rooney gets special treatment (history shows Rooney consistently gets special treatment across 3 managers now).

Yea, I've alluded to that too but it's not something we can prove... SAF didn't have a problem benching Rooney, where was the United Marketing team then? Plus wouldn't winning games and being a better team add more value to the marketing managers at United? Rather than the rest of the Footballing world look at Rooney struggle on the field, and start claiming he's washed. I don't know man, I still got to hold LvG accountable unless I hear otherwise.


But yes, I think Carlo is a great possibility, he said he'd love to manage United. If he's available, why not? The Pep situation - Pep is a diva himself and I'm sure it's frustrating negotiating with him - but why not try. I could see those two being viable options, so discussing the exit of LvG isn't as 'counterproductive" as it would seem. Thats me tho.

 

[noskey]

Speaking of MLS,apparently Falcao has interest in joining...

Also looks like Vela's gonna go to the Fire

Falcao gonna be in LA or NY in no time

Timbers sold Villafana to Santos Laguna for just under $1MM. I'll miss him, he really turned into a hell of player the 2nd half of the season, and was probably the most important player not named Borchers in the Cup final.

Timbers better not **** up finding his replacement.

 

[lovehateself]

LA dont need Falcao, send him to the new ATL team

 

[eiddyfouw]

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Whether that contractual obligation that I'm thinking of is actually on paper or not, is neither here nor there in my mind. I firmly believe that the board is forcing LVG's hand on Rooney as he's meant to be the great english hope for the most successful club in England. He's meant to be the flagship marquee player, when you think about the marketing side of the business (Rooney's face is EVERYWHERE) I can see why the board is pushing for Rooney to always play. We've seen LVG drop players, fire RVP with ease, but for some reason, Rooney gets special treatment (history shows Rooney consistently gets special treatment across 3 managers now).

Yea, I've alluded to that too but it's not something we can prove... SAF didn't have a problem benching Rooney, where was the United Marketing team then? Plus wouldn't winning games and being a better team add more value to the marketing managers at United? Rather than the rest of the Footballing world look at Rooney struggle on the field, and start claiming he's washed. I don't know man, I still got to hold LvG accountable unless I hear otherwise.


But yes, I think Carlo is a great possibility, he said he'd love to manage United. If he's available, why not? The Pep situation - Pep is a diva himself and I'm sure it's frustrating negotiating with him - but why not try. I could see those two being viable options, so discussing the exit of LvG isn't as 'counterproductive" as it would seem. Thats me tho.

The greatest manager in the history of the sport pretty much had free reign to do exactly as he pleased. And you're comparing this manager to the doings of one successful manager, and one mid-table mediocre manager.

History has shown LVG will gladly bench stars, and egos.
History has shown that Rooney always gets special treatment, even before LVG ever donned the red, black and white tie.

But by all means, you can continue to believe the board has nothing to do with this. The same board that was held ransom by Rooney twice. The same board that was convinced by Rooney and his agent that he's worth his outrageous wages (including a percentage of marketing rights).

I genuinely believe the board see's Rooney as a symbol for the club.

 

[AZwildcats]

Falcao needs to take his *** back to Monaco

 

[Coupé It]

Send Falcao and Rooney to that Sacramento team rck's always talking about

He'd love it

 

[rck3sactown]

Send Falcao and Rooney to that Sacramento team rck's always talking about

He'd love it

"that Sacramento team" 

but tbh I would love it. thats probably my biggest fear if we get an MLS team and we don't get ANY notable international players... like Chicago or Colorado etc

 

[captaincrown3]

falcao needs to go to germany and sip on whatever chicharito is drinking 

 

[QU!K]

here's to rooting for all EPL teams catching L's today

 

[Coupé It]

The greatest manager in the history of the sport pretty much had free reign to do exactly as he pleased. And you're comparing this manager to the doings of one successful manager, and one mid-table mediocre manager.

History has shown LVG will gladly bench stars, and egos.
History has shown that Rooney always gets special treatment, even before LVG ever donned the red, black and white tie.

But by all means, you can continue to believe the board has nothing to do with this. The same board that was held ransom by Rooney twice. The same board that was convinced by Rooney and his agent that he's worth his outrageous wages (including a percentage of marketing rights).

I genuinely believe the board see's Rooney as a symbol for the club.

I see it dude, I feel you..... I just need evidence or some type of leak to believe it.

If that's the case, knowing LvG - at his age, his ego, what he's been thru, and his history - wouldn't LvG let us know that? LvG just came out today and basically said that Schweinsteiger sucks (pharaphrasing) - Maybe LvG won't let the public know this while he's managing, but if this is true - LvG will def say it in the future "They made me play Rooney.." He gives no damns

So we'll know one day, but I still gotta point my finger at Senor van Gaal until that day comes, then I'll gladly apologize

 

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"that Sacramento team" 


but tbh I would love it. thats probably my biggest fear if we get an MLS team and we don't get ANY notable international players... like Chicago or Colorado etc

Sorry, whats the name of the team again? and is it possible they'll be in the MLS one day?

 

[rck3sactown]

 

"that Sacramento team" 

but tbh I would love it. thats probably my biggest fear if we get an MLS team and we don't get ANY notable international players... like Chicago or Colorado etc

Sorry, whats the name of the team again? and are they going to be in the MLS one day?

Sacramento Republic FC, and probably yes especially after the MLS announced they are shooting to expand to 28 teams.

Hopefully we get a team full of Porkchops, that was you can pay some attention to them! 

 

[rolaholic]

Hes definitely seen as a symbol/icon by the club imo. Otherwise he'd have been sold when he was unhappy at being benched by Fergie

Hope whoever thought it was a good idea to pay Wazza the highest wages outside of Messi/Ronnie is no longer at the club...

 

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Sacramento Republic FC, and probably yes especially after the MLS announced they are shooting to expand to 28 teams.

Hopefully we get a team full of Porkchops, that was you can pay some attention to them! 

PORT-Chops, and I know you know how to spell it by now...

But honestly, I don't pay attention to the MLS now, so I doubt it, but I hope you get your team and get crazy at the game. Ya'll have great fans in Sac-Town - whats the timetable like? within the next 3 years to be MLS ready?