NT's All Time NBA ReDraft Thread: GR8 Write Up Page 187, Bracket Final Vote

[the gr8est]

A Center over a SG is an easy decision especially when it's Hakeem.

Word to the 1984 draft.

Not when the 2-guard is MJ. I'm sorry you are out of your mind if you think Houston would still take Hakeem #1 if they had the chance to redo the 1984 draft.

Not that they are upset at how it all played out, but I am sure they wouldn't pass up MJ knowing what they do now. Not a chance.

Wiggins? Is that ******* serious? 

Soooo many good players left and Wiggins gets picked? Maybe for some sort of 2k Franchise Mode I wouldnt argue. But for a legends tournament or whatever this is, that is beyond a reach with some of the players still available.

It's almost hurting me not to name drop at this point. I'm gonna go start yelling out names in my bathroom, at work. 

 

Artest is a great pick. Didnt even have him in mind. 2004 Artest before the Palace brawl could have been an MVP candidate and helped lead the Pacers to a title. That team was great and Ron Ron was playing out of his mind that season. I remember having him on my fantasy squad. 

 

[big j 33]

This was the round I expected to see Wiggins... at the latest by round 5. 

 

[jjs07]

Good ******* pick, BHZ

Artest during that DPOY season

 

[the gr8est]

@bhzmafia14  got 3 of my all-time favorite non-Knicks players in Artest, Roy, and Glove. 

 

[MVP]

Yes while there are still great names left with resumes we've pretty much gotten the top 10 at most positions out of the way so I expect the talent/potential to take over resumé beginning very soon.

 

[proshares]

Goddammit, JD, that was a great pick

Best first step in the league soon

 

[addict4sneakers]

@JapanAir21

 

[the gr8est]

Yes while there are still great names left with resumes we've pretty much gotten the top 10 at most positions out of the way so I expect the talent/potential to take over resumé beginning very soon.

I could think of many legendary 2/3s right now who are/were much better than Wiggins is right now.

And besides, in some sort of legend do-or-die type tournament are you really going to trust a rookie to take on some of the craftiest NBA legends of all-time? Especially in a starting spot?

Dude was picked way too high. You're not picking 2018-2019 Wiggins or even 2016 Wiggins... You're picking the 20 year old kid who just averaged 17 PPG on 43% shooting on a ******* 15 win team. 

 

 

[JD617]

No I'm not. I'm picking Wiggins based on what I think he'll be in his prime, not right now at this exact moment.

 

[awwsome]

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I said two way for a reason though.


Cousins was 7th in the league in rim protection amongst those who faced 8 or more FGA per, he held any shots in the paint to 47%.

Marc? 49%

He held all post up attempts to 45%.

Marc? 38%

Held the roll man on PnR's to 30%

Marc? 35%

He held any isolation plays to 28%.

Marc? 46%.


So yeah he's definitely a better defender than Marc was last year if we talking full body of work.

Real +/- which is a better indicator of player impact, also agrees.


Boogie is only behind Bogut defensively and behind DeAndre and Marc offensively.

Marc is 3rd offensively and 20th defensively.

Boogie had 10.86 Wins Above Replacement in 59 (!) games compared to Marc's 9.68 though he played 81 games.


So yeah, Boogie is the best two way center in the league currently.

 

[seymore cake]

A Center over a SG is an easy decision especially when it's Hakeem.

Word to the 1984 draft.


Ain't nobody taking the second best SG over the best PG besides you because you gotta find a way to integrate Kobe into your every fabric of existence.

Except we aren't in 1984. We know MJ is the GOAT to ever play almost unanimously by everyone. Longevity was the only reason I picked Bean over Magic and said so after the pick.

Longevity? But people are laughing at awwsome reason for picking Hakeem. Alright

 

[MVP]

I could think of many legendary 2/3s right now who are/were much better than Wiggins is right now.

And besides, in some sort of legend do-or-die type tournament are you really going to trust a rookie to take on some of the craftiest NBA legends of all-time? Especially in a starting spot?

Dude was picked way too high. You're not picking 2018-2019 Wiggins or even 2016 Wiggins... You're picking the 20 year old kid who just averaged 17 PPG on 43% shooting on a ******* 15 win team.   

Unless the archive feature is removed or we all go the way of the dinosaurs, this thread can be brought back up in 5 years to see how some of the younger guys have panned out plus I think there's more categories to vote on than just best overall team for the judges.

 

[MVP]

Longevity? But people are laughing at awwsome reason for picking Hakeem. Alright

Some are drafting on peak, some on prime, some on complete body of work *shrugs*

You choose Bron over Magic as well, but ok.

 

[addict4sneakers]

awwsome

But they both ranked out as "excellent" according to my sources. I don't understand WAR so I won't argue against it.

But if gasol was clearly the better offensive player and they are rated equally on the defensive side, then DMC isn't clearly the best player.

We can agree to disagree. Both are great players

 

[awwsome]

awwsome

But they both ranked out as "excellent" according to my sources. I don't understand WAR so I won't argue against it.

But if gasol was clearly the better offensive player and they are rated equally on the defensive side, then DMC isn't clearly the best player.

We can agree to disagree. Both are great players

I just showed you all the #'s on Marc, they aren't equal defensively. Marc is the better offensive player but there were multiple guys better than him on defense last year.

 

[the gr8est]

This **** is so ******* confusing. 

I dont get what longevity has to do with any of this and I had no idea this thread was being planned to be brought back up in 5 years.

IMO, each player should come with one specific season that has already happened and just judge it that way. So we all know which version of players we are evaluating.

 

[MVP]

Maybe at the end we can choose specific 1-3 yr seasons of for our players it'll be easier for y'all to judge.

 

[pmatic]

DAAAAAAAAAAAMN I thought I was going to have a chance at Artest in the next round.

 

[addict4sneakers]

awwsome

But they both ranked out as "excellent" according to my sources. I don't understand WAR so I won't argue against it.

But if gasol was clearly the better offensive player and they are rated equally on the defensive side, then DMC isn't clearly the best player.

We can agree to disagree. Both are great players

I just showed you all the #'s on Marc, they aren't equal defensively. Marc is the better offensive player but there were multiple guys better than him on defense last year.

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The PPP difference between the two is splitting hairs.

 

[awwsome]

Maybe at the end we can choose specific 1-3 yr seasons of for our players it'll be easier for y'all to judge.

It's too late to add that now, that would've influenced most of the picks already made.

 

[awwsome]

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The PPP difference between the two is splitting hairs.

Yea because one played on an elite defense while the other was the only defense.

Like I said, you explore their individual #'s like I already just did and Boogie is superior, not by a hair split but by a large margin.

Also why I bought up Real +/- because it's also a better indicator and Boogie beats Marc handidly there.


There are 10 other guys between Boogie and Marc defensively last year while there are 1 or 2 between them offensively.

 

[dland24]

I have always thought it made most sense to evaluate players based on their peak performance.

Would I want a guy who averaged 14 points a game for 12 years or a guy who averaged 25 points a game for 3?  I'll take the latter.

 

[pmatic]

2012 Gasol
2013 Bosh
1998 Hill
2001 Kidd

 

[jjs07]

1998 Jamie Feick

 

[JD617]

I don't really care about the voting process to be honest. Otherwise I wouldn't have taken 2 of NT's most hated players in CP3 and Dwight. I'm just constructing a team the way I want to.

*shrugs*