NT's All Time NBA ReDraft Thread: GR8 Write Up Page 187, Bracket Final Vote

[sohi 23]

Rudy Gobert, C

Kyrie
Barry
Kawhi
KD
Rudy

Manu off the bench.

 

[awwsome]

Noooooooooooooooo.

 

[big j 33]

@LiCeNseD To BaLL

@worldbeefreeg

@FinallyFamous

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@SenorRoboto2k5  

 

[アミーゴ]

I'm all for opinions on picks... especially for older guys that we might not know as much about or how they'd translate to the modern era.

Keeping my team way under the radar.

 

[sea manup]

gobert is low key an even more questionable pick than wiggins 

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Regular redraft with the option of legends

 

[be easy]

Cannot understand this fascination with modern day duds over legendary NBA players.

 

[japanair21]

Cannot understand this fascination with modern day duds over legendary NBA players.

You and me both man. Only reason I went with Adams last round is because I knew he wouldn't last, while other really good players from the 70s and 80s would.

 

[awwsome]

Cannot understand this fascination with modern day duds over legendary NBA players.

Because the modern game is better and has more elite players than any other era, it's already been addressed.


Yall just got nostalgia blinders on, hence why Houston was picked when there are a handful of guys in the league currently just as good who won't be.

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Ima Knicks fan who hates Allen Houston cause he signed my bag "believe in Jesus" at Basketball City when I was 10 [emoji]128544[/emoji]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Cannot understand this fascination with modern day duds over legendary NBA players.

Becuase we are the stage of the draft where people are drafting role players. People are electing to choose role players who they know have excelled in specialty positions. Rather than picking a star player who they can't know for sure how impactful they would be as a role players.


also players from the 70's, 80's were worse 3 point shooters, an important skill for role players.


I don't see anything wrong with Rudy Gobert pick.

 

[CP1708]

Taken Players

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

ROUND 1
01: Hakeem Olajuwon, C
02: Michael Jordan, SG
03: Bill Russell, C
04: LeBron James, SF
05: Kobe Bryant, SG
06: Shaquille O'Neal, C
07: Magic Johnson, PG
08: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, C
09: Wilt Chamberlain, C
10: Tim Duncan, C
11: Larry Bird, SF
12: Kevin Garnett, PF
13: Oscar Robertson, PG
14: Dirk Nowitzki, PF
15: Julius Erving, SF
16: Patrick Ewing, C
17: Scottie Pippen, SF
18: Jerry West, SG
19: Moses Malone, C
20: Anthony Davis, PF
21: Kevin Durant, SF
22: David Robinson, C
23: Charles Barkley, PF
24: Isiah Thomas, PG
25: Karl Malone, PF
26: Chris Paul, PG
27: Dwyanye Wade, SG
28: Steph Curry, PG
29: John Havlicek, SG
30: Jason Kidd, PG

ROUND 2
31 (30): Grant Hill, SF
32 (29): Penny Hardaway, PG
33 (2: Tracy McGrady, SG
34 (27): Steve Nash, PG
35 (26): Dwight Howard, C
36 (25): Gary Payton, PG
37 (24): Elgin Baylor, SF
38 (23): Allen Iverson, SG
39 (22): John Stockton, PG
40 (21): Rick Barry, SF
41 (20): Clyde Drexler, SG
42 (19): George Gervin, PF
43 (1: Willis Reed, C
44 (17): Arvydas Sabonis, C
45 (16): Pete Maravich, SG
46 (15): Reggie Miller, SG
47 (14): James Harden, SG
48 (13): Kevin McHale, PF
49 (12): Dominique Wilkins, SF
50 (11): Ray Allen, SG
51 (10): Russell Westbrook, PG
52 (09): Walt Frazier, PG
53 (0: Kevin Johnson, PG
54 (07): Bob Pettit, PF
55 (06): Elvin Hayes, PF
56 (05): James Worthy, SF
57 (04): Vince Carter, SG
58 (03): Bob Cousy, PG
59 (02): Nate Thurmond, PF
60 (01): Dave Thompson, SG

ROUND 3:
61 (01): Blake Griffin, PF
62 (02): Robert Parrish, C
63 (03): Drazen Petrovic, SF
64 (04): Bill Walton, C
65 (05): Demarcus Cousins, C
66 (06): Chris Mullin, SF
67 (07): Artis Gilmore, C
68 (0: Dennis Rodman, PF
69 (09): Chris Webber, PF
70 (10): Paul Pierce, SF
71 (11): Alonzo Mourning, C
72 (12): Dikembe Mutumbo, C
73 (13): Joe Dumars, SG
74 (14): Ben Wallace, C
75 (15): Rasheed Wallace, PF
76 (16): Dave Cowens, PF
77 (17): Mitch Richmond, SG
78 (1: Wes Unseld, C
79 (19): Tim Hardaway, PG
80 (20): Yao Ming, C
81 (21): Manu Ginobili, SG
82 (22): Connie Hawkins, SF
83 (23): Pau Gasol, C
84 (24): Jerry Lucas, PF
85 (25): Brandon Roy, SG
86 (26): Adrian Dantley, SF
87 (27): Bernard King, SF
88 (2: Bob Lanier, C
89 (29): Alex English, SF
90 (30): Marc Gasol, C

ROUND 4
91 (30): Chris Bosh, PF
92 (29): Dave DeBusschere, SF
93 (2: Andrei Kirilenko, SF
94 (27): Shawn Kemp, PF
95 (26): Andrew Wiggins, SF
96 (25): Ron Artest, SF
97 (24): Bob McAdoo, PF
98 (23): Nate Archibald, PG
99 (22): Sam Jones, SG
100 (21): Kawhi Leonard, SF
101 (20): Derrick Rose, PG
102 (19): Shawn Marion, SF
103 (1: Glen Rice, SF
104 (17): Antwan Jamison, PF
105 (16): Lenny Wilkens, PG
106 (15): Dave Bing, PG
107 (14): Dale Ellis, SG
108 (13): Detlef Schrempf, SF
109 (12): Mark Price, PG
110 (11): Chauncey Billups, PG
111 (10): Amare Stoudemire, PF
112 (09): Carmelo Anthony, SF
113 (0: Sidney Moncrief, SG
114 (07): Earl Monroe, SG
115 (06): Dennis Johnson, PG
116 (05): Gilbert Arenas, PG
117 (04): John Wall, PG
118 (03): Tom Chambers, PF
119 (02): George Mikan, C
120 (01): Peja Stojakovich, SF

ROUND 5
121 (01): Tony Parker, PG
122 (02): Hal Greer, G
123 (03): Kiki Vandeweghe, F
124 (04): Bill Laimbeer, PF
125 (05): Deron Williams, PG
126 (06): Paul Westphal, SG
127 (07): Glenn Robinson, SF
128 (0: Michael Cooper, SG
129 (09): Paul George, SG
130 (10): Eddie Jones, SG
131 (11): LaMarcus Aldridge, PF
132 (12): Alvin Robertson, SG
133 (13): Horace Grant, PF
134 (14): Klay Thompson, SG
135 (15): Toni Kukoc, PF
136 (16): Larry Johnson, PF
137 (17): Stephon Marbury, PG
138 (1: Kevin Love, PF
139 (19): Jermaine O'Neal, PF
140 (20): Jimmy Butler, SF
141 (21): Kyrie Irving, PG
142 (22): Billy Cunningham, SF
143 (23): Bruce Bowen, SF
144 (24): Elton Brand, PF
145 (25): Marcus Camby, C
146 (26): Serge Ibaka, PF
147 (27): Latrell Sprewell, SG
148 (2: Rashard Lewis, PF
149 (29): Walt Bellamy, C
150 (30): Kyle Korver, SG

ROUND 6
151 (30): Lamar odom, PF
152 (29): Dan Issel, PF
153 (2: Michael Redd, SG
154 (27): Mike Bibby, PG
155 (26): Joe Johnson, SG
156 (25): Anthony Mason, PF
157 (24): Damian Lillard, PG
158 (23): Allan Houston, SG
159 (22): Maurice Lucas, PF
160 (21): Rudy Gobert, C
161 (20):
162 (19):
163 (1:
164 (17):
165 (16):
166 (15):
167 (14):
168 (13):
169 (12):
170 (11):
171 (10):
172 (09):
173 (0:
174 (07):
175 (06):
176 (05):
177 (04):
178 (03):
179 (02):
180 (01):

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Do we have nostalgia blinders on or are yall prisoners of the moment. I mean we got dudes with no body of work being drafted over hall of famers.

 

[JD617]

People want plenty of shooting, and the three pointer didn't exist until '79 and wasn't really utilized much until years later.

 

[アミーゴ]

Do we have nostalgia blinders on or are yall prisoners of the moment. I mean we got dudes with no body of work being drafted over hall of famers.

Works for me

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Do we have nostalgia blinders on or are yall prisoners of the moment. I mean we got dudes with no body of work being drafted over hall of famers.

Solid point.

 

[big j 33]

But if we're just looking at peak/single year/shorter time frames, what does the body of work really matter?

 

[awwsome]

But if we're just looking at peak/single year/shorter time frames, what does the body of work really matter?

Exactly what I was going to say.

 

[sea manup]

 
But if we're just looking at peak/single year/shorter time frames, what does the body of work really matter?

these guys dont have single seasons better than some dudes that have not been drafted yet 

 

[CP1708]

In the end, there are kinda no wrong answers.

Rudy Gobert is a 7-1 freak defensive athlete, that translates to any era.

Some of the HOF Centers in this redraft are 6-8 flat foots. I would assume Gobert would hold up well against them, unproven or not, no?


It's about their overall skillsets, what they bring to the table, and how they mix in with a team.


For example, BHZ has a solid defensive squad, but I look at it, and think he would still struggle to score some points. Payton is good, but not elite as a shooter. Ron? I mean...... He can bully, but I don't want him spotting up. Roy, sort of negates what Payton offers, because Roy needed the ball in his hands. Payton isn't going to be out there feeding "shooters" like Roy and Ron, right?

Karl can score, no doubt, Payton is gonna run the pick and roll with him, same as Stock did?


There's still a piece/fit component to these that go beyond "HOFer".

I could draft AI, Kobe, Melo, and say they are all HOFers, but that don't mean they gonna mesh well, ya know? There's still some nuance needed for each team.

 

[big j 33]

Didn't say they did.

 

[be easy]

I didn't think we were drafting players based off one season, ala say '92 MJ.

My point of view is, there are PROVEN commodities; HoF'ers and borderline HoF'ers with a career's worth of credentials being passed over for dude's with a year or two of NBA experience.

I think people are too caught up in how the modern game is played today (namely three point shooting) instead of just assembling a good basketball team.

At the end of the day, ya'll can pick whomever you want, but yeah.

 

[sohi 23]

I'd put Gobert's rim-protecting during the 2nd half of last year against anyone that was still available to pick.

 

[awwsome]

I'd put Gobert's second half rim-protecting of last year against anyone that was still available to pick.

It's better than most who were picked before him too.

Sample size be dammed, at his peak (which hasn't even come yet really but we talking "body of work") he's as good as any rim protector there is.

 

[licensed to ball]

My pick?