The NBA Draft Thread

[osh kosh bosh]

Just curious, what makes one think Giannis has a better chance of being a better shooter than Ben? 

Confidence/reluctance?

Ben's FT stroke looks fine if not good. Just needs to instill confidence in him to use it more often

I don't agree.

He's poor mechanically in the games, he shoots it on the way down, his footwork and shot prep are terrible, release is flat and is just in general mechanical and un-natural shooter.


Gannis just has a better feel for shooting, even when he was young in grece jumper realease point was too low but it was never broke, he's overall smoother, the foot work is there, he needs just needs reps now.


This is eye test stuff so take it how you want it,

also Ben simmons might be shooting with his off hand, given that he does everything elese right handed.

 

[wavycrocket]

What's encouraging is Ben shot close to 70% from FT line. He also had a nice stretch of games where he was hitting the foul line jumper. I think with him...it's confidence and not wanting to hurt efficiency.

If Blake can develop a jumper....Ben can. I think they need to start at re-working his mechanics...and go from there

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Also curious as to how many jumpers Blake took as a frosh. He shot much worse than Ben from the FT line

Was Blake considered not a good shooter or a non shooter as a frosh?

He was also terrible, but was was a physically agressive and natural interior scorer, and more explosive.


Ben's doesn't profile a guy who's going to play like Griffen, he's a little soft, and in general doesn't have that mind set, and never has.

Tough to teach that.

 

[pmatic]

We all would agree Justise Winslow was further along as a shooter than Simmons right? And look how awful he looked shooting the ball.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Notice I said FT shot. Not in game shot. I don't see those things in his FT stroke

I don't know, I just look at someone like Blake as a frosh, and see what he's become in terms of his J. I don't get as worried as some of you about the J, but yes it's all a crap shoot. Blake could be an exception

Not in game, but look at the stroke. Nothing too crazy about it

 

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

We all would agree Justise Winslow was further along as a shooter than Simmons right? And look how awful he looked shooting the ball.

Dude, it's his rookie year and just turned 20. Look at Greek his rookie year and even now

A lot still yet to be written 

Ben's shot may take 3 or so years just like Greek

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Notice I said FT shot. Not in game shot. I don't see those things in his FT stroke

I don't know, I just look at someone like Blake as a frosh, and see what he's become in terms of his J. I don't get as worried as some of you about the J, but yes it's all a crap shoot. Blake could be an exception

Not in game, but look at the stroke. Nothing too crazy about it


 

I see bricks and and inconsistent behind the head release point.

and this is in a relaxed environment not at game speed, speed it up and his other flaws become more glaring.


He could fix it, maybe but we are in the business on making bets on projecting.

I think he's really really far away, and it's really crucial for him becuase I don't think he can be Blake Griffen, he's shown no interest in doing that.

 

[al3xis]

I don't know why you guys are so hung up on this as if he's Tony Allen or MKG.

He's an elite passer, he's elite in transition..bigger guys had/are going to have trouble staying in front of him and he can punish smaller guys in time. He's going to be an effective offensive player even if his shooting is that bad. But with pro training and not coasting through 5 months of CBB, it'll probably improve. Any NBA franchise/coach worth their salt can figure out how to highlight his strengths in an offense.

FR year Blake Griffin is worlds apart than BS. Griffin played through injuries and wasn't nearly as explosive as when he returned for his SO year.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

My point being it doesn't look completely unfixable

I see no reason why he couldn't develop a Blake Griffin type J. It took Blake a good 5 years or so (even being drafted after his soph year) to develop it

Give the kid time

Osh seemingly closing the book on a 19 year old

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I don't know why you guys are so hung up on this as if he's Tony Allen or MKG.

He's an elite passer, he's elite in transition..bigger guys had/are going to have trouble staying in front of him and he can punish smaller guys in time. He's going to be an effective offensive player even if his shooting is that bad. But with pro training and not coasting through 5 months of CBB, it'll probably improve. Any NBA franchise/coach worth their salt can figure out how to highlight his strengths in an offense.

FR year Blake Griffin is worlds apart than BS. Griffin played through injuries and wasn't nearly as explosive as when he returned for his SO year.

I've said multiple times I'm still taking him 1, I think he has the highest floor for the reaons you mentioned.


I don't think anyone thinks he's going to be a bust.

The question is about super-stardom.



Difference between good and great can be small, nit picking is necessary.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

My point being it doesn't look completely unfixable

I see no reason why he couldn't develop a Blake Griffin type J. It took Blake a good 5 years or so (even being drafted after his soph year) to develop it

Give the kid time

Osh seemingly closing the book on a 19 year old

I said I would take him 1.


I said he has the highest floor.



What book am I closing?

 

[youngthundercat]

I don't know why you guys are so hung up on this as if he's Tony Allen or MKG.

He's an elite passer, he's elite in transition..bigger guys had/are going to have trouble staying in front of him and he can punish smaller guys in time. He's going to be an effective offensive player even if his shooting is that bad. But with pro training and not coasting through 5 months of CBB, it'll probably improve. Any NBA franchise/coach worth their salt can figure out how to highlight his strengths in an offense.
 

i agree with all of this...i personally think its mental with this kid. 

is he going to turn into that bigtime player there or will he chill until his first contract is up and bolt. 

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I said I would take him 1.


I said he has the highest floor.



What book am I closing?

Has nothing to do with where you select him. I'm talking about his J, the book on his jumper. I don't think it's beyond repair but hey, it's the eye test

LSU predicated its offense on his penetration and defenses (zones and other looks) most assuredly wanted him to take mid range jumpers. I factor that into how poorly he looked when he did take the rare jumper. He was often out of position to do so

Taking 3-5 years to get to a respectable jumper isn't asking too much, I don't think it's a mountain of a task to get there in that time frame

 

[frshstunna]

What will make or break Simmons: can he at least get a shot as good as Blake Griffin's?

People compare him to Odom but he could shoot out to the three point line. When Philly work outs Simmons I'm sure they're going to really test his shot out big time to see just how bad his shooting really is. If that jumper is really that broke and Ingram comes in and lights **** up and shows that he's already put on more weight and got stronger it's gonna be real hard to pick Simmons over him.

It would help if he actually decided what hand to shoot with and which is his dominant hand. He finishes mostly with his right but shoots lefty.

It's good for finishing round the basket tho ,Ben usually finds a way to get a bucket with either hand

 

[frshstunna]

And I'm not making any conclusions about Bens shooting until he plays some NBA minutes ...in college he knew he didn't even have to shoot to be effective, which frustrated me to watch but he ended up still averging like 20 and 10 just from being better than everybody else

 

[B Sox]

And I'm not making any conclusions about Bens shooting until he plays some NBA minutes ...in college he knew he didn't even have to shoot to be effective, which frustrated me to watch but he ended up still averging like 20 and 10 just from being better than everybody else

This is pretty much where I stand. Sixers coaches are going to have him doing shooting drills nonstop for the next several years. I think he's going to figure it out...

 

[abematic]

What draft does the Timberwolves have? 

Well, I'll keep track of the Timberwolves this year because of Thibs and finally Thibs will be allowed freedom to choose who to draft, this should be interesting. 

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Gotta wonder if Thibbs is even going to play whichever rook they draft 

 

[B Sox]

I've seen some mocks have the Wolves taking Ellenson, but I think they end up with one of Murray/Dunn/Hield. Not sure they can really go wrong...

 

[vtotheinay]

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2016-nba-mock-draft.html

sheesh that dude is skilled for being as big as he is. that full court outlet pass off a rebound right on the money, catch and shoot 3s with a hand in his face, no look passes

 

[MVP]

Wolves should try and move that for a vet player, there is a such this as too many young guys.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Wolves could use a shooter to take pressure off Wiggins and Rubio, whether that's Buddy or a vet, hopefully they address it

In one of those mocks, they have Denver selecting Dunn. I don't see how that's possible

 

[licensed to ball]

Wolves should try and move that for a vet player, there is a such this as too many young guys.

We got plenty of vets they can trade for.
Star with Nick.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

in college he knew he didn't even have to shoot to be effective,

I mean he was obviously wrong about that right?


also, these aren't conclusions, these are projections.

 

[B Sox]

Wolves should try and move that for a vet player, there is a such this as too many young guys.

I think they take one more young guard and just let Rookie/Lavine/Wiggins/Towns grow together. Then add pieces from there...