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Ben Simmons heard the critics tonight
I watched a good portion of the game. Didn't break a sweat getting a near triple double. Slicing and dicing.
Solid work vs Auburn.
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I watched a good portion of the game. Didn't break a sweat getting a near triple double. Slicing and dicing.
Solid work vs Auburn.
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any of it in the half court, or was he just running past non nba athletes in transition as per usual?
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You been hating on Ben low key for a while now
.Midrange pull up, half court, transition, post....all of it. He had 17 & 9 at the half. Dude rested most of the 2nd half and finished with 23/13/7. Literally looked like he was trying to prove a point in the first half.
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This is what concerns me with him the most. I need to see this dude do something in the half court. He either gets the ball up top then waits for someone to pass to, or he posts up and gets doubled teamed 90% of the time and not able to get the ball.
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Dudes acting unimpressed by a 6'10 19 year old...with a high bball iq, good motor and great head on his shoulders who is averaging 20/12/5 as a freshman.....
I ain't saying Ben is the next LeBron (although he has a Blake Griffin ceiling and likely impact).....but dudes out here really want him to be Lamar Odom of Mike Beasley so bad....like their skillsett was the actual problem.
Ben going to be fine. Likely perennial all star. Superstar potential if he develops a jumper. Simple.
.I ain't saying Ben is the next LeBron (although he has a Blake Griffin ceiling and likely impact).....but dudes out here really want him to be Lamar Odom of Mike Beasley so bad....like their skillsett was the actual problem
. Ben going to be fine. Likely perennial all star. Superstar potential if he develops a jumper. Simple.
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He actually operated very confidently in the halfcourt.
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Dunn IS a star. There is no Q. He steps into league immediately better than Smart, Russell, MCW, even guys like Teague imo.
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what are you his kinfolk?
\there are questions with every prospect.
It's harder than ever to succeed in the NBA if you can't shoot. and Q remain about Dunn's shooting. He's also old.
Dudes acting unimpressed by a 6'10 19 year old...with a high bball iq, good motor and great head on his shoulders who is averaging 20/12/5 as a freshman....
I ain't saying Ben is the next LeBron (although he has a Blake Griffin ceiling and likely impact).....but dudes out here really want him to be Lamar Odom of Mike Beasley so bad....like their skillsett was the actual problem
Ben going to be fine. Likely perennial all star. Superstar potential if he develops a jumper. Simple.
asking questions is hating now? I didn't watch the game so i just straight up wanted to know.
I'm not saying anything earth shattering.
In fact, we don't even disagree, I think the ceiling is Blake griffin x lamar odom
also since when is saying someone is Lamar Odom is an insult? Young Odom was nasty.
Maybe I don't sound impressed because I've watched him play A LOT pre college.
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I get that he's a Providence fan, but damn.
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I said I see why ppl might think he's a better prospect , I never thought highly of him tho so I'm not one of those ppl
But like I said neither probly great so it don't even matter, I'm not Dunn's family like dude that was posting earlier
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Simmons, man. I am taking him #1, I don't think it would be smart to choose otherwise at this point
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3/3 on his Jumpers this game. He hasn't missed a jumper yet in like the past 5 games. He's taken like 10 of em and hit em all.
2 made jumpers a game is a long way from where he was a few wakes ago
. Improvement. I'll take it. He even opens up with a turnaround jumper in the half court tonight.
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Jumper looks much smoother.
I lean more towards the Lamar Odom than Blake Griffim, not as bouncy/explosive vertically, seems like a mix of both in a way., with lil Boris like draftexpress suggested.
I lean more towards the Lamar Odom than Blake Griffim, not as bouncy/explosive vertically, seems like a mix of both in a way., with lil Boris like draftexpress suggested.
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Dudes acting unimpressed by a 6'10 19 year old...with a high bball iq, good motor and great head on his shoulders who is averaging 20/12/5 as a freshman....
I ain't saying Ben is the next LeBron (although he has a Blake Griffin ceiling and likely impact).....but dudes out here really want him to be Lamar Odom of Mike Beasley so bad....like their skillsett was the actual problem
Ben going to be fine. Likely perennial all star. Superstar potential if he develops a jumper. Simple.
Bro nobody is saying he's a bum. We're just questioning his aggressiveness (especially in the half court) just like a **** ton of other people have. He has all the talent in the world but I want to see him in attack mode more and see that at the end of the game when they need a bucket that he's gonna be that guy that wants the ball in his hands. You don't want him deferring to some dudes on his team that aren't even going to be playing in the league when he's going to be the #1 pick with the "next LeBron" comparisons in just a few months.
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Ben Simmons heard the critics tonight
I think this dude is going to be a bust in the NBA.
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Too smart and instinctual of a ball player to be a bust, and a hard worker by all accounts.
absolute worst case is boris diaw.
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You guys are just picking him apart for something to do. Would any of you actually take Ingram over Simmons?
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this is the nba draft thread... what else are we supposed to do.
I wouldn't take Ingram, but I can see why someone would.
I worry about Ingrams mechanics breaking down on NBA three's a little too line drive, seems like he guides the ball. and if Ingrahm isn't a really really awesome shooter, I don't see the first step or feel for scoring in the lane to make him a star.
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I would consider it. He may have a higher ceiling, but lower floor.
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The way Simmons uses both hands around the hoop 
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This is true
I think you also have to take into account what Simmons' ceiling would be if he were able to develop a consistent mid-range jump shot and/or 3. If he's able to do that, which I don't think is impossible, I can't see any way that Ingram's ceiling would be higher, unless he magically turns into Kevin Durant.
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IMO its a 2 man race between Simmons and Dragan Bender
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Dude are you Dragan Bender's little brother? You bring his *** up every time you come in here. I do not understand the infatuation with this guy.
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Wednesday, February 3, 2016
Freshman tracker: Ben Simmons doesn't take over late in games
By C.L. Brown
ESPN Staff Writer
The shots that determine close games are normally reserved for the best player. But what happens if he doesn't want to take them?
That's been the case with LSU forward Ben Simmons this season. There's a growing narrative that he's too reluctant to take the shot in late-game situations.
It happened again in the Tigers' 77-75 loss to Oklahoma on Saturday. Simmons scored 14 points on 6-of-7 shooting from the field. In fact, he made three of LSU's first five field goals to start the second half.
Then he virtually disappeared. Simmons had only one attempt in the final 10 minutes. He didn't have an assist in that span, either.
In the final minute, with LSU trailing by three, Simmons didn't take one decisive shot. Jalyn Patterson attempted a 3 and Tim Quarterman missed a jumper before Antonio Blakeney's 3-pointer with 24 seconds remaining tied the game. When the Sooners scored with four seconds left, the ball again went to Quarterman for the final shot with 1 second left.
ESPN.com reached out to several coaches who have played against LSU this season and scouts who have observed him for their thoughts on how Simmons handles late-game situations offensively.
One coach, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said his team practically made Simmons' hesitation to take the shot part of their game plan. Their defensive focus was to make sure Quarterman and Keith Hornsby didn't hurt them because they didn't think Simmons would be aggressive enough to do so.
"It's not like he has that Kobe (Bryant), alpha male, rip-your-throat-out mentality, he's a pretty happy go-lucky kid that's horsing around before a game having fun," he said. "I just think he's more comfortable as a make-the-right-play guy."
One scout observed that Simmons oftentimes doesn't look like he trusts his jump shot enough to launch it at critical points. That could explain his tendency to look for others to take the shots that matter.
"It's just hard to just go get a bucket in half court when you don't want to shoot it, especially in college, the defense can just load up," he said.
Simmons has only been held below double-digit scoring once this season. He had four points against North Carolina State on 1-of-6 shooting. But it also goes to a pattern. Out of seven games he's had single-digit attempts, five of those were losses.
That's given way to a theory that Simmons has become less of a scorer against the Tigers' best competition and tries to be more of a facilitator. Tuesday night against Auburn he came out firing, scoring 21 points on 9-of-15 shooting in LSU's 80-68 road win. Simmons looked like a player who knew the Tigers will only go as far as he leads them.
But this season in LSU's games against ranked teams (Kentucky, Texas A&M and Oklahoma), he has a total of 21 shot attempts. And although he averages 8.3 free throws per game, he's only gotten to the line a combined 15 times in those three games.
"It's a fair comparison to link Simmons with how LeBron (James) played early on (in his career)," one coach said. "They're not necessarily thinking selfishly, they just want to get the ball in the right spots and whatever happens, happens."
At least one coach thinks Simmons' decision-making in late-games is being dissected too much.
"It's a little bit unfair," he said. "If you're a point guard who's not a shooter, but you're great, at the end of the game does that mean you've got to shoot the 3 or you try to set up your good shooters?"
Simmons' answer to that may not satisfy everyone, but it may be his truth for now.
First five
1. Henry Ellenson, F, Marquette Golden Eagles
16.3 PPG, 10.0 RPG
Posted second-highest scoring outing in Big East this season with 32 points in a 75-69 win against Butler; also had season-high six blocks with 10 rebounds.
2. Ben Simmons, F, LSU Tigers
19.5 PPG, 12.3 RPG, 4.9 APG
Averaged 17.5 points -- on a combined 15 of 22 field goals -- 11 rebounds and six rebounds in games against Oklahoma and Auburn, respectively.
3. KeVaughn Allen, G, Florida Gators
11.9 PPG, 2.2 RPG
Helped lead Gators' upset of No. 9 West Virginia with 19 points and season-high four assists; averaging 14.6 points in SEC play.
4. Jaylen Brown, F, California Golden Bears
15.8 PPG, 5.5 RPG
Scored 20-plus in consecutive games for second time this season with 21 points at Colorado and season-high tying 27 points at Utah.
5. Dwayne Bacon, G, Florida State Seminoles
16.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG
Scored 21 points in 76-65 win against Clemson during school promotion that gave away 10,000 bacon strips; had season-high 14 rebounds against Boston College.
Second five
6. Tyler Davis, C, Texas A&M Aggies
11.5 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 67.8 FG percentage
Helped Aggies knock off Iowa State 72-62 with 15 points on 6-for-8 shooting and six rebounds.
7. Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky Wildcats
17.5 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 2.4 APG
Averaged 18.0 points in losses at Kansas and Tennessee; five assists versus Vols was personal-best in SEC play.
8. Thomas Bryant, C, Indiana Hoosiers
12.2 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 72.4 FG percentage
Scored 23 points on 11-of-13 shooting with eight rebounds in 74-68 win against Minnesota.
9. Derryck Thornton, G, Duke Blue Devils
8.5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 2.7 APG
Reached double figures scoring for first time in ACC play with 15 points in 80-71 win at Georgia Tech.
10. Stephen Zimmerman, C, UNLV Runnin' Rebels
11.1 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 2.0 BPG
Combined for 17.5 points, 9.5 rebounds and 3.5 blocks in losses to San Diego State and New Mexico.
Final five
11. Kerwin Roach Jr., G, Texas Longhorns
6.8 PPG, 2.2 RPG
Posted first double-double with 15 points, 11 rebounds (and also had four steals) in 72-58 win against Vanderbilt.
12. Marcus Evans, G, Rice Owls
19.7 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 3.0 APG
Scored game-high 25 points including perfect 11-for-11 from free throw line in 95-87 victory versus North Texas.
13. Galen Robinson Jr., G, Houston Cougars
8.0 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 3.5 APG
Averaged 12.0 points (including season-high 19 against Tulsa) and 4.3 assists in wins against Tulsa, East Carolina and SMU.
14. Deyonta Davis, C, Michigan State Spartans
8.0 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 2.0 BPG
Set school single-game freshman record with six blocks in 76-45 win against Northwestern.
15. Chris Silva, C, South Carolina Gamecocks
5.8 PPG, 4.6 RPG
Responded to first career start with 12 points, six rebounds and three blocks in 78-64 win versus Alabama.
Wednesday, February 3, 2016
Freshman tracker: Ben Simmons doesn't take over late in games
By C.L. Brown
ESPN Staff Writer
The shots that determine close games are normally reserved for the best player. But what happens if he doesn't want to take them?
That's been the case with LSU forward Ben Simmons this season. There's a growing narrative that he's too reluctant to take the shot in late-game situations.
It happened again in the Tigers' 77-75 loss to Oklahoma on Saturday. Simmons scored 14 points on 6-of-7 shooting from the field. In fact, he made three of LSU's first five field goals to start the second half.
Then he virtually disappeared. Simmons had only one attempt in the final 10 minutes. He didn't have an assist in that span, either.
In the final minute, with LSU trailing by three, Simmons didn't take one decisive shot. Jalyn Patterson attempted a 3 and Tim Quarterman missed a jumper before Antonio Blakeney's 3-pointer with 24 seconds remaining tied the game. When the Sooners scored with four seconds left, the ball again went to Quarterman for the final shot with 1 second left.
ESPN.com reached out to several coaches who have played against LSU this season and scouts who have observed him for their thoughts on how Simmons handles late-game situations offensively.
One coach, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said his team practically made Simmons' hesitation to take the shot part of their game plan. Their defensive focus was to make sure Quarterman and Keith Hornsby didn't hurt them because they didn't think Simmons would be aggressive enough to do so.
"It's not like he has that Kobe (Bryant), alpha male, rip-your-throat-out mentality, he's a pretty happy go-lucky kid that's horsing around before a game having fun," he said. "I just think he's more comfortable as a make-the-right-play guy."
One scout observed that Simmons oftentimes doesn't look like he trusts his jump shot enough to launch it at critical points. That could explain his tendency to look for others to take the shots that matter.
"It's just hard to just go get a bucket in half court when you don't want to shoot it, especially in college, the defense can just load up," he said.
Simmons has only been held below double-digit scoring once this season. He had four points against North Carolina State on 1-of-6 shooting. But it also goes to a pattern. Out of seven games he's had single-digit attempts, five of those were losses.
That's given way to a theory that Simmons has become less of a scorer against the Tigers' best competition and tries to be more of a facilitator. Tuesday night against Auburn he came out firing, scoring 21 points on 9-of-15 shooting in LSU's 80-68 road win. Simmons looked like a player who knew the Tigers will only go as far as he leads them.
But this season in LSU's games against ranked teams (Kentucky, Texas A&M and Oklahoma), he has a total of 21 shot attempts. And although he averages 8.3 free throws per game, he's only gotten to the line a combined 15 times in those three games.
"It's a fair comparison to link Simmons with how LeBron (James) played early on (in his career)," one coach said. "They're not necessarily thinking selfishly, they just want to get the ball in the right spots and whatever happens, happens."
At least one coach thinks Simmons' decision-making in late-games is being dissected too much.
"It's a little bit unfair," he said. "If you're a point guard who's not a shooter, but you're great, at the end of the game does that mean you've got to shoot the 3 or you try to set up your good shooters?"
Simmons' answer to that may not satisfy everyone, but it may be his truth for now.
First five
1. Henry Ellenson, F, Marquette Golden Eagles
16.3 PPG, 10.0 RPG
Posted second-highest scoring outing in Big East this season with 32 points in a 75-69 win against Butler; also had season-high six blocks with 10 rebounds.
2. Ben Simmons, F, LSU Tigers
19.5 PPG, 12.3 RPG, 4.9 APG
Averaged 17.5 points -- on a combined 15 of 22 field goals -- 11 rebounds and six rebounds in games against Oklahoma and Auburn, respectively.
3. KeVaughn Allen, G, Florida Gators
11.9 PPG, 2.2 RPG
Helped lead Gators' upset of No. 9 West Virginia with 19 points and season-high four assists; averaging 14.6 points in SEC play.
4. Jaylen Brown, F, California Golden Bears
15.8 PPG, 5.5 RPG
Scored 20-plus in consecutive games for second time this season with 21 points at Colorado and season-high tying 27 points at Utah.
5. Dwayne Bacon, G, Florida State Seminoles
16.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG
Scored 21 points in 76-65 win against Clemson during school promotion that gave away 10,000 bacon strips; had season-high 14 rebounds against Boston College.
Second five
6. Tyler Davis, C, Texas A&M Aggies
11.5 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 67.8 FG percentage
Helped Aggies knock off Iowa State 72-62 with 15 points on 6-for-8 shooting and six rebounds.
7. Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky Wildcats
17.5 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 2.4 APG
Averaged 18.0 points in losses at Kansas and Tennessee; five assists versus Vols was personal-best in SEC play.
8. Thomas Bryant, C, Indiana Hoosiers
12.2 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 72.4 FG percentage
Scored 23 points on 11-of-13 shooting with eight rebounds in 74-68 win against Minnesota.
9. Derryck Thornton, G, Duke Blue Devils
8.5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 2.7 APG
Reached double figures scoring for first time in ACC play with 15 points in 80-71 win at Georgia Tech.
10. Stephen Zimmerman, C, UNLV Runnin' Rebels
11.1 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 2.0 BPG
Combined for 17.5 points, 9.5 rebounds and 3.5 blocks in losses to San Diego State and New Mexico.
Final five
11. Kerwin Roach Jr., G, Texas Longhorns
6.8 PPG, 2.2 RPG
Posted first double-double with 15 points, 11 rebounds (and also had four steals) in 72-58 win against Vanderbilt.
12. Marcus Evans, G, Rice Owls
19.7 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 3.0 APG
Scored game-high 25 points including perfect 11-for-11 from free throw line in 95-87 victory versus North Texas.
13. Galen Robinson Jr., G, Houston Cougars
8.0 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 3.5 APG
Averaged 12.0 points (including season-high 19 against Tulsa) and 4.3 assists in wins against Tulsa, East Carolina and SMU.
14. Deyonta Davis, C, Michigan State Spartans
8.0 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 2.0 BPG
Set school single-game freshman record with six blocks in 76-45 win against Northwestern.
15. Chris Silva, C, South Carolina Gamecocks
5.8 PPG, 4.6 RPG
Responded to first career start with 12 points, six rebounds and three blocks in 78-64 win versus Alabama.
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