The NBA Draft Thread

[Vincent Van Goat]

Well leadership is an intangible. You can't quantify it with numbers. But that's the rep he has with scouts.

I wasn't really looking for numbers. Could be anecdotes of what he does in preparation for games. His training, his practices, his bond with his teammates. Something little or big he's done in a huddle or in the locker room. Anything

It may be intangible but you named qualities that can be exhibited by Fultz outside of elevating his teammates. And we both know Fultz' cast wasn't anywhere close to the Bruins

 

[geno90221]

Well leadership is an intangible. You can't quantify it with numbers. But that's the rep he has with scouts.

What did he really "lead: them too? What did UCLA have to overcome this year?

 

[MVP]

What did he really "lead: them too? What did UCLA have to overcome this year?

Well they went from 15-17 the year before with a lot of the same players to 31-5 this year. Even the coach said much of that is attributed to Ball and how he came in with a winning demeanor and it rubbed off on everyone else.

 

[addict4sneakers]

I'm not big on intangible guys. I don't see how it's not Fultz or Jackson

 

[MVP]

It's not like Lonzo doesn't have skills though. It's just his skills + intangibles have him high in a lot of people's minds. And they do matter, especially when you're trying to get a franchise cornerstone. This isn't football.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

If Fultz plays at UCLA I wonder how all of the narratives play out and say Ball had to play at Washington

 

[B Sox]

Well they went from 15-17 the year before with a lot of the same players to 31-5 this year. Even the coach said much of that is attributed to Ball and how he came in with a winning demeanor and it rubbed off on everyone else.

They arguably (Anigbogu) added 3 1st round picks to last year's team...

 

[frshstunna]

say what u want about Lonzo, but its facts that the team wouldnt have been as good or entertaining without him on it

 

[addict4sneakers]

Who is the last guy lauded for their intangibles to go top 3?

No shade at anyone

 

[pums]

Who is the last guy lauded for their intangibles to go top 3?

No shade at anyone

MKG?

 

[buc em]

If the Lakers keep the pick I hope they do take Lonzo [emoji]128591[/emoji][emoji]127997[/emoji]

 

[Verde Shuttles]

Latest Chad Ford Mock -- http://bit.ly/2nF8nBP

1. Celtics: Markelle Fultz
2. Suns: Lonzo Ball
3. Lakers: Josh Jackson
4. Magic: Malik Monk
5. Sixers: Dennis Smith
6. Knicks: Jayson Tatum
7. Kings: De'Aaron Fox
8. Wolves: Lauri Markkanen
9. Mavericks: Frank Ntilikina
10. Kings (via Pelicans): Jon Isaac
11. Pistons: Zach Collins
12. Hornets: Miles Bridges
13. Nuggets: Harry Giles
14. Heat: TJ Leaf

don't see or get why the Magic or Knicks would pass on Fox

 

[buc em]

don't see or get why the Magic or Knicks would pass on Fox

Magic gon Magic

Knicks gon Knick

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

say what u want about Lonzo, but its facts that the team wouldnt have been as good or entertaining without him on it

I don't think anyone could disagree with this statement, it'd be foolish to

There's just a difference between finding actual advantages Ball has over the other prospects and made up narratives that are being pushed

 

[buc em]

Doesn't Dennis Smith basically play zero defense? Fox seems like much more of a Brett Brown player than Smith.

 

[lightweight champion]

Latest Chad Ford Mock -- http://bit.ly/2nF8nBP

1. Celtics: Markelle Fultz
2. Suns: Lonzo Ball
3. Lakers: Josh Jackson
4. Magic: Malik Monk
5. Sixers: Dennis Smith
6. Knicks: Jayson Tatum
7. Kings: De'Aaron Fox
8. Wolves: Lauri Markkanen
9. Mavericks: Frank Ntilikina
10. Kings (via Pelicans): Jon Isaac
11. Pistons: Zach Collins
12. Hornets: Miles Bridges
13. Nuggets: Harry Giles
14. Heat: TJ Leaf

Chad Ford? This won't happen.

 

[carver]

Don't worry Chad will edit it after the draft

 

[wavycrocket]

Don't worry Chad will edit it after the draft

 

[P C H]

I'm not big on intangible guys. I don't see how it's not Fultz or Jackson

Love Lonzo but yeah

 

[B Sox]

say what u want about Lonzo, but its facts that the team wouldnt have been as good or entertaining without him on it

Absolutely. His pass-first mentality is exactly what guys like Alford/Holiday/Hamilton needed.

In the end I just don't see how Lonzo isn't more than a high-level role player if he can't become really good at shooting/scoring off the dribble. He can really make some incredible passes in transition, but how often is he going to have those opportunities in a normal game compared to how much he will have to play in the halfcourt?

 

[ill steelo]

say what u want about Lonzo, but its facts that the team wouldnt have been as good or entertaining without him on it

Absolutely. His pass-first mentality is exactly what guys like Alford/Holiday/Hamilton needed.

In the end I just don't see how Lonzo isn't more than a high-level role player if he can't become really good at shooting/scoring off the dribble. He can really make some incredible passes in transition, but how often is he going to have those opportunities in a normal game compared to how much he will have to play in the halfcourt?

To your transition offense point, he'd actually be a perfect fit in Brooklyn with what Atkinson is trying to do He has them #1 in pace

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

I don't think anyone could disagree with this statement, it'd be foolish to

There's just a difference between finding actual advantages Ball has over the other prospects and made up narratives that are being pushed

From the numbers I was looking at ball is a significantly better shooter than fultz. Not saying he's a better prospect but there are a couple tangible things ball has the advantage in

 

[addict4sneakers]

I said it before but Lonzo in Philly is the perfect match. He fills a need and they don't need him to do anything he can't do.

 

[B Sox]

To your transition offense point, he'd actually be a perfect fit in Brooklyn with what Atkinson is trying to do He has them #1 in pace

Absolutely...If only they hadn't made a certain trade a few years back....

 

[P C H]

Like I've said before, Ball's red flags jump off the page.

He can't shoot off the dribble, can't play in the midrange, can't really dribble, hasnt' played in the PnR, and can't beat his guy off the bounce. All of these severely limit his ability to do what he does best, which is pass.