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Fox a top 3 prospect?

Him being thirsty for workouts and dropping 39 on Lonzos head got a lot of y'all gassed roll.gif

He's in that 6-10 range. Fultz, Jackson, Ball, Isaac, Monk, DSJR & Tatum are better prospects. Hell, Frank N possibly too.

What does him being thirsty for workouts have to do with anything? laugh.gif we all ain't draft rooks in here

Idk how you could clearly put Monk, Tatum or DSJr over him. I just don't see it. Jackson and Fultz are obvious to me. Ball and Isaac should be in the same tier at least.
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What does him being thirsty for workouts have to do with anything? laugh.gif we all ain't draft rooks in here

Idk how you could clearly put Monk, Tatum or DSJr over him. I just don't see it. Jackson and Fultz are obvious to me. Ball and Isaac should be in the same tier at least.

I mean he's the ONLY one that's active right now. The DX workouts, interviews, attending the combine etc. That brings more attention that the guys we haven't seen stretch in almost 2 months.
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Ratsull can handle the bulk of the PnR duties, though it is a red flag that Ball has never really excelled in PnR. tbh his teams simply didn't implement it, so I'm not writing that aspect of his game off quite yet

I don't think it's that imperative for a point guard to get to the line. Some of the best point guards in the NBA don't put up high FT attempt numbers. Ball isn't a score first point guard anyway

Didn't implement it because it wasn't optimal given his abilities. Can't pull up both ways, no in between game, limitations as a slasher so he can't make me pay on the switch. Between Chino & UCLA have we ever seen him deliver a pocket pass? Then 75% of his 3s were assisted.

I mean cmon.

Then you say D'Lo is on pnr, so I'm drafting Lonzo to do what exactly? Or are they taking turns every trip down the court? How productive is he being for me?
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Forgot where I read it, but someone made an interesting point that Lonzo plays very "upright" on both sides of the ball.

We all know hoopmixtapes and ballislife videos are the best way to evalute athleticism
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Then 75% of his 3s were assisted.

EXACTLY. And yet NT jagoffs think he shouldn't play off ball. He didn't lead UCLA in usage and get won't in the NBA. It helps if you know what you're talking about before you start talking
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Didn't implement it because it wasn't optimal given his abilities. Can't pull up both ways, no in between game, limitations as a slasher so he can't make me pay on the switch. Between Chino & UCLA have we ever seen him deliver a pocket pass? Then 75% of his 3s were assisted.

I mean cmon.

Then you say D'Lo is on pnr, so I'm drafting Lonzo to do what exactly? Or are they taking turns every trip down the court? How productive is he being for me?

Could be very true

 

As for why would LAL draft Lonzo, it'd be for his vision and ability to ignite an offense. A guy you can't leave open, to hopefully mix with other guys you can't leave open (Ratsull and Ingram)

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Frank N is a rotation player at best. Good shooter and solid defender but he's no where near ready for the NBA level.
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Ingram and Dlo still have to improve but you're essentially banking on them being 20 point scorers and Lonzo doesn't really need to score to be effective. In the halfcourt, he can provide spacing which this team desperately needs.

Lonzo is the most polorizing draft prospect in a minute so it's not surprising to see the wide range of opinions.
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D'lo had 26% usage this year. 30% in college. Lonzo had 18%. But somehow someway he's gonna take the ball out of dlo's hands. Dudes sound stupid af
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I think many prospects have higher median outcomes than Fox but Fox is the only one with star potential outside of fultz.


gotta take a swing if you are picking that high.
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I think many prospects have higher median outcomes than Fox but Fox is the only one with star potential outside of fultz.


gotta take a swing if you are picking that high.

Jackson clearly is the second best player in this class...and the other one with "star potential"

He have it all. If you're optimistic about his jumper improving going forward.....it's a wrap.

Size, elite athleticism, vision, feel for the game, versatility, production, confidence, two way potential.....

If we're talking about ceilings....Josh Jackson has Kawhi level two way potential.
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You can't have kawhi potential without having kawhi's measurements
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Jackson clearly is the second best player in this class...and the other one with "star potential"

He have it all. If you're optimistic about his jumper improving going forward.....it's a wrap.

Size, elite athleticism, vision, feel for the game, versatility, production, confidence, two way potential.....

If we're talking about ceilings....Josh Jackson has Kawhi level two way potential.



Poor wingspan, old for his class, hitch in his jumper...i don't see it.


I have the same issues I had with Justice Winslowe, and I really don't see why I should think it's going to work out much better for Justin Jacjson.
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I think many prospects have higher median outcomes than Fox but Fox is the only one with star potential outside of fultz.


gotta take a swing if you are picking that high.

Jackson clearly is the second best player in this class...and the other one with "star potential"


Disagree, especially the "clearly" part. I prob said it in here awhile ago but he's essentially a less skilled Andrew Wiggins at the same point of their careers.
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Wiggins improved tremendously on the offensive side of the ball. Should be much better defensively though.
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Disagree, especially the "clearly" part. I prob said it in here awhile ago but he's essentially a less skilled Andrew Wiggins at the same point of their careers.

That's too easy of a comparison laugh.gif. But the numbers are similar. And it makes sense in some respects.

Jackson is a much better distributor and ball handler though. And of course...tougher by default because Wiggins is from Canada.

Nobody foresaw Andrew being this kinda scorer....and not contributing anything else. Shorty still got the tools though. Just gotta get that Canada out of him.
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Disagree, especially the "clearly" part. I prob said it in here awhile ago but he's essentially a less skilled Andrew Wiggins at the same point of their careers.

Was just about to say this. Literally had it drafted laugh.gif. Better passer and rebounder tho
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if Ingram stayed with Duke 1 more year, he would be locked 1st pick this draft. Fun fact, Ingram is 19, Jackson is 20 
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Some say Isaac > Ingram nerd.gif
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Some say the Earth is flat
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Some say the Earth is flat

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Some say Isaac > Ingram nerd.gif

What does Isaac even do well he really seems like he's a jack of some trades but not a master of any. 

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in all honesty, fultz might still be rated higher. But, if Ingram had played one more year in Duke to develop and we had no recollection of him playing with Lakers, I fully believe that Ingram would have been considered a better prospect than Jackson 

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What does Isaac even do well he really seems like he's a jack of some trades but not a master of any. 

Already very good defensively. 6'11....and is a versatile defender with great instincts. He has the potential to blow up pick and rolls...help and recover, switch and contest, protect the rim and guard multiple positions. Good rebounder on both ends.

On offense....he's a great off ball cutter and has a nose for the ball. Low usage...but efficient as hell. Doesn't need the rock to be effective...but shows he can put it on the deck, lead the break and score over smaller defenders.

Thing with Isaac is it's very easy to see how his game translates to the NBA and he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses other than being slim. But he's tough and competes. If he shows that he's a above average 3pt shooter at the next level like he was in college....the rest will follow.

Him shooting 35% from 3 and 80% from the line are indicators that he's an above average shooter. Which at 6'11 with his tools...becomes very valuable.
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So he's Giannis
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Isaac playing 4 is gunna be a problem. His defensive potential is scary good. Plus he can stroke it a bit so I'm sure in time he'll be money from the corner. Only problem is I feel like his ceiling is like a 3rd option of offense. U can't really give him the ball and let him ISO or P&R. Kinda reminds of Winslow but I don't think he'll fall as far.

Loved watching Isaac during the season, but idk, my interest has kinda wained on him. Not sure how or why anyone would choose Tatum over Isaac tho.
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So he's Giannis

No. Giannis is better offensively....and a natuarally more fluid ball handler, playmaker and is more athletic and comfortable
With the ball in his hands. They have nothing in common other than being 6'11 long, and versatile.

Isaac projects to be a longer, younger, better version of Otto Porter with more potential.


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