OfficiaL '16 NYK offseason thread, Melo goes to bodega in bathrobe and Olympic hat

[you go boy]

melo still a 90+ rating

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Klay Thompson is better than Melo ? UNREAL

 

[ruffrydya08]

Put aside my feelings about Melo, I think a trade is inevitable.

I know a lot of y'all will disagree but if I were him I'd probably ask out at the deadline if things aren't going anywhere. I don't think the team or Phil is making it a secret that this is a 2-3 year project at best at this point. While I do like a few moves and think some young guys he's brought in will eventually be NBA caliber players, I think the only NBA ready guys who can realistically help this team fight for a playoff spot are Afflalo, Rolo, O'Quinn and Seraphin. I'll throw Grant into that mix as well but how many rookies can get to that elite level in their rookie year to push a team to the next level? Most of the impact guys are on good teams in good situations, I don't think this is gonna be one of them sadly. As much as a I wanna say those guys can help us get an 8 seed, I really don't think that's a realistic goal.

From Melo's point of view why would he want to put up with this rebuild when he's 31? There's also gonna be a bunch of teams who won't hesitate to take on that contract with the cap going up. I think if the Knicks can find him a winning situation he's gonna jump ship.
I also think it would be fugazy as **** for fans to jump on him if he accepted a trade out of here. Y'all know how I feel about dude but honestly if he wants to win and leaving here is his only option, I got no problems with him leaving. I got other issues with him basketball wise and what not but I can't blame dude for wanting to win while he's in his mid 30s.

Gonna be a really interesting season and important one even if we suck.

 

[the gr8est]

Put aside my feelings about Melo, I think a trade is inevitable.

I know a lot of y'all will disagree but if I were him I'd probably ask out at the deadline if things aren't going anywhere. I don't think the team or Phil is making it a secret that this is a 2-3 year project at best at this point. While I do like a few moves and think some young guys he's brought in will eventually be NBA caliber players, I think the only NBA ready guys who can realistically help this team fight for a playoff spot are Afflalo, Rolo, O'Quinn and Seraphin. I'll throw Grant into that mix as well but how many rookies can get to that elite level in their rookie year to push a team to the next level? Most of the impact guys are on good teams in good situations, I don't think this is gonna be one of them sadly. As much as a I wanna say those guys can help us get an 8 seed, I really don't think that's a realistic goal.

From Melo's point of view why would he want to put up with this rebuild when he's 31? There's also gonna be a bunch of teams who won't hesitate to take on that contract with the cap going up. I think if the Knicks can find him a winning situation he's gonna jump ship.
I also think it would be fugazy as **** for fans to jump on him if he accepted a trade out of here. Y'all know how I feel about dude but honestly if he wants to win and leaving here is his only option, I got no problems with him leaving. I got other issues with him basketball wise and what not but I can't blame dude for wanting to win while he's in his mid 30s.

Gonna be a really interesting season and important one even if we suck.

Explain to me how getting an 8 seed in the East isnt a realistic goal for Melo to achieve with Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, Grant, Porzingis, O'Quinn etc. when he got a 2 seed with Chandler, JR Smith, Shumpert, Felton, Kidd/Prigioni, etc. ?

I mean listen, I'm not going to guarantee a playoff birth this season or anything. But to say it is "unrealistic" to think this team can find a way to make the playoffs in this conference, looking at the teams Melo has made the playoffs with in the past, is absurd. I couldnt disagree with that anymore than I do. Making the playoffs this year is not unrealistic. It is basically the expectation. Whether they can achieve it or not remains to be seen but in no way do I think it is unrealistic. If Melo plays the way he is capable of and Fisher coaches this team properly, it is very realistic.

And then as far as Melo, sure this is a 2-3 year project. Nobody is expecting the Knicks to win the championship this season. But that is exactly what Melo signed up for and once again, he has said and done NOTHING to make anyone feel like he wants out of this situation. So you can speculate all you want. But I think there is a huge difference from being 2-3 years away from contending and being 2-3 years away from making the playoffs. Reaching the playoffs should be an immediate goal without a draft pick. It can be done. And if we can achieve that goal we would have a lot of room to grow from their due to player development and cap space.

So you can keep saying this and that but none of it means anything until the season starts and none of it is anything that would catch Melo off guard. Last year was a rebuilding season to the max. We had a draft pick and the team sucked. We used our draft pick, added some capable pieces, and Melo got surgery. Sure, I dont think anyone can blame Melo for asking out if the Knicks have 10 wins at the trading deadline again, but who is to say that is the case?

It's a different team this year. Dude signed a 5 year contract for a reason. He didnt have to and it would have been more profitable for him not to. He is here for the process and he is here to lead and build with this roster. If you think that Melo is going to walk away just because we wont win a championship this year, then you really dont know Melo. Thats not what he does and he has shown that time and time again. Dude had a chance to sign with any contender he wanted last summer. He chose to come back. So the circumstances will likely have to get a lot worse than they are right now for him to leave. And it sure as hell cant be determined if they will or not right now, before we have seen anything.

There is obviously a tipping point. I dont think anybody would fault Melo for asking out if the Knicks are a trainwreck again. But there is a very large middle ground between winning a championship and what we saw last season. Most likely, the Knicks will be somewhere in the middle of that this season. Melo will be the driving force behind how far we go and where this team eventually gets within the next 4 years. And that is EXACTLY what he signed up for.

Like I said, nothing you are saying is any kind of new development until the season starts this year. Why even bring it up? Over artificial media driven trade rumors? Melo has not only not hinted that he wants to be traded, but he hasnt even hinted anything besides absolute loyalty and dedication to this team. With his words AND his actions. Sure, maybe Melo didnt know last season was going to be as bad as it eventually was, but at the end of the day, what the **** is the difference between 30 and 17 wins? We are better off where we are now than had we stumbled our way to a 30 win season.

It was always about this season moving forward. So until the Knicks are a laughing stock of a team again this season, there is nothing to talking about. You are just rehashing old ******** off of ******** trade rumors that dont really exist, and painting a picture of something disastrous that also hasnt happened yet. Basically, you kind of sound like Frank Isola with all that. I mean, I am realistic. If there reaches a point where a Melo/Knicks seperation is the best thing involved for both parties, then we'll cross that road when we get there. But to talk about this right now is outrageous and takes focus away from the season at hand.

All rumors and ******** can quickly be dissolved by winning. You're writing off this team before you have even seen them play. So instead of riding along with these fugazi rumors, lets actually see if this team is capable of winning some games before we talk about trading away our star player who is the player most responsible for winning to happen. Especially when we dont even have a draft pick to capitalize from a losing season. 

To seriously say you want to trade Melo right now, before he has even played a ******* preseason game with this turned around roster is not only absurd, it is completely irrational and illogical. Trading Melo right now would be an absolute unmitigated disaster. It would take away from everything we did this summer. And he doesnt even want to ******* go. So again, why bring it up? What is there to even talk about? Why are we talking about this? You could say this has nothing to do with your feelings for Melo, but haters gonna hate, even when it doesnt make sense to.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

You aren't going to get anything worthwhile for Melo in a trade. Pointless to even think about. Just enjoy the guy and see how the season shakes out.

 

[ruffrydya08]

Gr8est chill out man, you and I need to blow a koombya blunt man. I don't know why you get so heated because we have different opinions. I was just bringing this up just for discussion as it was written today, slow sports day, ****** weather in the city. You take what I say so personally bro we're both Knick fans man. Just because you disagree with my opinion means you gotta write essays attacking everything I say?

It's not like Isola wrote this ****, I think Lowe is a damn good writer and he's pretty well connected as well.

I didn't say trade dude now, obviously you gotta wait until February to do that. I HOPE this team can fight for an 8 seed but I'm not even gonna get my hopes high seeing that last year was an absolute train wreck. In hindsight, yeah the team was terrible but at this time last year EVERYONE, including ME, thought that we were a playoff team. You say I'm painting a picture of disaster? I mean how many times, even when things were good, have things just NOT gone our way? Even in winning seasons. Since '99 it's like we're constantly saddled with bad luck. (ie. Amare and his back in the Celtics series)

So as a Knick fan bro, how am I unrealistic when I say I don't want to get my hopes up? It's like I'm personally attacking you by stating my own personal opinion bruh


Idk how you think I'm saying it's championship or bust. Clearly there's a middle ground but I'm not gonna sit here coming off a 17 win season and say we're gonna be an 8 seed. I think that's just crazy. Do I WANT that to happen? **** yeah, but I personally don't think that it's gonna, I hope I'm wrong though. There's a reason that teams which haven't won more than 20 games have NEVER increased their win total the next season by more than 15 games. Do the math on that, if that stat holds true, that's not getting us an 8 seed, that's all I'm saying.

The Melo stuff isn't an artificial Isola story either. I can't stand the guy as much as you do but Woj, Lowe, Simmons, Jalen Rose, all well connected guys have dropped that rumor more than once since last season. I'm not even saying that dude asked out, read what I wrote. I was just asking the thread for discussion sake where y'all think that came from, because IMO Lowe isn't a writer that just is gonna drop something like that without hearing it from a credible source.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

All Lowe said is if the Knicks struggle they may look to trade Melo.

 

[art vandelay]

All Lowe said is if the Knicks struggle they may look to trade Melo.

They won't struggle, they Kristrapped.

 

[the gr8est]

@RuffRyda I'm not typing out another essay because football is about to start. But idc that we have a difference of opinions. I would never hate on anyone for that. If you don't like Melo then great, but don't try and act like nonsense is true because you want him out. It drives me crazy all these BS stories of Melo wanting out and being a discontent and I have written about this **** all summer. Just let the games play out man. I'm not gonna guarantee a postseason appearance either but talking about this team like everything is about to fall apart before the season even starts is ridiculous. Give Melo a ******* chance to earn his 5 year deal. You're ready to push him out the door after 40 games into that contract and Melo has still had more success than failure with the Knicks deputy the past 2 seasons. Now we have a better team around him. Phil wanted him back and now has his own players around Melo so let's see if he can get back to where he was before we talk about trades, particularly when all signs point towards Melo really wanting to stay put. So that is all I'm saying. And sure, you can point to history but the current Eastern Conference is much more invariable than most conferences throughout NBA history. The Bucks went from 15 wins to the playoffs last year, largely without Jabari Parker. The Knicks have done much more to turn around their team than the Bucks did last summer so let's at least give Phil and Melo the chance to work it out together before you play right into these media folks' hands with ******** September trade talk.

 

[the 718 truth]

Looks like I haven't missed anything in here. Melo trade rumors? How surprising…

 

[nick.]

@nycknicks105 complains about his team then puts up the most points in the league

 

[johnnyredstorm]

@nycknicks105 complains about his team then puts up the most points in the league

sounds like a businessman to me. guiding low and over performing. typical wall street trick.

 

[Spectacular23]

Pretty exciting for this season, we'll see how things go,,,,#6 knicks fan checking in. With a baby on board I'm not gonna post as much, but ill be in spirit in this thread

 

[the gr8est]

@nycknicks105 complains about his team then puts up the most points in the league

My boy from school pulled the same exact **** after missing the draft

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Pretty exciting for this season, we'll see how things go,,,,#6 knicks fan checking in. With a baby on board I'm not gonna post as much, but ill be in spirit in this thread

Sell me dem galaxies breh

Congrats

 

[nick.]

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[flyeed]

Lmao for real though Melo is mad sensitive to what random people say on social media. I just hope he's the type of player that gets motivated by this stuff instead of letting it get to him and putting him down.

 

[the gr8est]

I mean I have said that I do not love Melo responding to instagram commenters on his own gram account but I can get it. **** must be frustrating.

But come on b. Commenting on other instagrams? Melo gotta tune out the noise and get his *** off of social media. Let the haters hate and know that only your play will shut people the **** up.

 

[lver of jordan]

They won't struggle, they Kristrapped.

Kristapped*

 

[ballinsam23]

Melo pays attention too much to his social media accounts. He may say he doesnt care what people say, but he definitely does

 

[johnnyredstorm]

I hate how dumb some people are.

 

[njavier03]

Melo pays attention too much to his social media accounts. He may say he doesnt care what people say, but he definitely does

as long as he uses it to fuel the fire, idgaf

 

[the gr8est]

I mean who the **** even is this dude who's gram Melo commented on? Dude has like 2000 followers and 1500 of those probably came after Melo gave him the time of day. The **** is up with that?

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Just be better than that Melo. And if you arent you better be an absolute savage on the ******* hardwood this season.

 

[the gr8est]

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[nick.]