Hillsboro High School students stage walkout in dispute over transgender student

sea manup said:
what is your sex?

what is your gender?


its the same thing, get out of here with your always trying to be contradictory hipster self 
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It's annoying thing I have call education, facts, reason that forces me to contradict the ignorant.

*shrugs*

I can't help it.


If you want to educate yourself on the topic from people who's job it is to study these things you will find sex =/= geneder.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
 
sea manup said:
what is your sex?

what is your gender?


its the same thing, get out of here with your always trying to be contradictory hipster self 
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It's annoying thing I have call education, facts, reason that forces me to contradict the ignorant.

*shrugs*

I can't help it.


If you want to educate yourself on the topic from people who's job it is to study these things you will find sex =/= geneder.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf
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good to know, thanks for sharing

bathrooms are based on sex, not gender though

you can have a doctors note stating that you identify as a girl, a doctors note doesnt physically turn you into a girl 

if dude wants to use the female bathroom then he needs to physically become a female, the weirdness between her classmates would be the same but there would be nothing wrong with it like there is now while he is still a dude 
 
I'm sure girls been in a bathroom with transgendered women before that didn't have a sex change and didn't even realize it


The problem is "he" doesn't look "girly" enough for them to feel comfortable. Girls don't see each other's vagina in the bathroom anyway.
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
I remember when I was 15, there was a dude in my school who wore a skirt occasionally, he wasnt trans just gay. I remember me and some of my friends saying we were uncomfortable with this dude in the locker room.


so your telling me that me and my 15 year old ignorance and emotions could have staged a walkout and forced that dude to use a unisex bathroom?
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I had to get over it, and I did, pretty quickly. and now I can look back and say wow that was dumb. but at least I didn't waste everyone's time with some protest.
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You could have tried to stage a walkout but no one would care because you had a problem with a boy using a boys locker room. This is about a boy using a girls locker room...

Also being uncomfortable is one thing, but to say that they shouldn't use the bathroom or locker room because they are gay is another. 
 
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sea manup said:
good to know, thanks for sharing

bathrooms are based on sex, not gender though

you can have a doctors note stating that you identify as a girl, a doctors note doesnt physically turn you into a girl 

if dude wants to use the female bathroom then he needs to physically become a female, the weirdness between her classmates would be the same but there would be nothing wrong with it like there is now while he is still a dude 
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If someone was inter-sexed, they would go to the bathroom of their gender.


The idea that bathroom use should be decided by sex falls apart when taken to the logical conclusion. If you're a man born with non functioning, malformed sex organs and you had them removed would you suddenly be forced leave the mens bathroom?

Bathroom distinction only make sense based on gender.
 
WorldBreaker said:
You could have tried to stage a walkout but no one would care because you had a problem with a boy using a boys locker room. This is about a boy using a girls locker room...

Also being uncomfortable is one thing, but to say that they shouldn't use the bathroom or locker room because they are gay is another. 
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no, bathroom separation is based on gender. doctors say thie persons gender is female.

so technically it's a girl using the girls washroom.


there fore the only reason people keeps saying we should have a problem with this is because some girls don't feel "comfortable" so the obvious parallel is Well some people don't feel comfortable with gays in the locker room.


we aren't going to sublimate rights in favor of peoples insecurities.
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
 
sea manup said:
good to know, thanks for sharing

bathrooms are based on sex, not gender though

you can have a doctors note stating that you identify as a girl, a doctors note doesnt physically turn you into a girl 

if dude wants to use the female bathroom then he needs to physically become a female, the weirdness between her classmates would be the same but there would be nothing wrong with it like there is now while he is still a dude 
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If someone was inter-sexed, they would go to the bathroom of their gender.


The idea that bathroom use should be decided by sex falls apart when taken to the logical conclusion. If you're a man born with non functioning, malformed sex organs and you had them removed would you suddenly be forced leave the mens bathroom?

Bathroom distinction only make sense based on gender.
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they may not work and may look like a mess down there but its still a penis

if a man is born with a vagina then he is not a man, and she should be in the womans washroom 

YOU think bathroom distinction only makes sense that way, that's not how it works in the real world. 
 
BLASTERCOMBO said:
Lord, we get it. Sex vs gender vs predator, it's been played out here.


Here


Cock and balls = boy

Glory hole = girl



Anything else needs to be said?
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no we have the appropriate amount of stupid in this thread we don't need anymore. :lol:
sea manup said:
they may not work and may look like a mess down there but its still a penis

if a man is born with a vagina then he is not a man, and she should be in the womans washroom 

YOU think bathroom distinction only makes sense that way, that's not how it works in the real world. 
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You are not understanding the anecdote it's not a penis because the penis was removed.


Thats how it works in the real world really?

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so if this guy is in the womens bathroom it would be cool? that would make sense. cmon man.


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so this dude shaving in the washroom womens bathroom that would be cool too? How comfertable will everyone be then :lol:


bathrooms delineations based on sex make no sense, that why bathrooms with no delineation are GENDER neutral it's just intellectually dishonest to pretend they are based on sex.
 
if the penis is removed (she has taken actions to physically become a woman) then go ahead and use the womans restroom

until then, keep you and your penis in the unisex or male restroom 

they are called unisex bathrooms are they not?
 
Basically.


Transgender isn't something you're born being, it's the physical act of changing yourself. Now, the real question is what physical act do you have to do to constitute being transgender? A wig? Hotdog split?
 
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So every time a man enters a women's bathroom or locker room, he has to show a note proving he is a psychologically certified woman???

Do you realize how foolish this sounds in public scenarios? My high school had 4000 people, how would every girl know who belongs there or not without seeing the note? Any man can lie and say they are women to gain access :lol:
 
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sea manup said:
if the penis is removed (she has taken actions to physically become a woman) then go ahead and use the womans restroom

until then, keep you and your penis in the unisex or male restroom 




they are called unisex bathrooms are they not?
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So you accept that a person is a female but you are waiting on a surgery? You don't see how dumb that is?


Like how does the surgery effect what happens in the bathroom, the other people aren't interacting with penis. So the people who can't afford the surgeroy, but have taken hormones, developed breasts, they still gotta be in the mens bathroom.

and female to male who can't get a penis but who have more testosterone than lebron james but stil gotta go to the womens bathroom, you don't see how silly this is? :lol:


and your still failing to grasp the anecdote. intersex people have ambiguous genitalia when they are born, and it's sometimes just compltley removed when they are born. so if that person without a penis ends up as a boy he's gotta use the girls bathroom?


separating people based on sex introduces more problems than it solves.
 
AmericanGenius said:
So every time a man enters a women's bathroom or locker room, he has to show a note proving he is a psychologically certified woman???

Do you realize how foolish this sounds in public scenarios? My high school had 4000 people, how would every girl know who belongs there or not without seeing the note? Any man can lie and say they are women to gain access :lol:
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cmon b. you realize the amount of transgender people walking around is tiny. I think if you one or two trans people it would get around the school fast, or it wouldn't be diffecult to tell the student body.



also the absurdity of someone dressing up like a women to get into the bathroom, to do what exactly? :lol:

"gain access", it's not fort nox, if some crazy guy wants to go inside nothing is stopping him so I don't see what that has to do with trans people.




Why should we punish a groups of people becuase of the off chance that one crazy person might try to "gain acess" to the women bathroom.
 
i accept humans with penises (whatever shape or form) as males and vaginas as females

if you want to be identified as a female then that will happen after you have physically become a female 

the guy we are talking about has a penis, why are you bringing up meaningless information because you cant come up with an actual argument 

thinks he's a girl =/= IS a girl 

gender is identified at birth before a baby even knows what gender is or means
 
sea manup said:
i accept humans with penises (whatever shape or form) as males and vaginas as females

if you want to be identified as a female then that will happen after you have physically become a female 


the guy we are talking about has a penis, why are you bringing up meaningless information because you cant come up with an actual argument 

thinks he's a girl =/= IS a girl 

gender is identified at birth before a baby even knows what gender is or means
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I mean everything you said is just incorrect, it has nothing to do with opinion you are just wrong about key facts.

look man I can't help you. You don't understand the difference between geneder and sex and I'm not a professor so maybe I can't explain it to you in way that it can stick and you seem unperceptive to information.

all we can do is hope that people in leadership positions have a greater level of compassion, intellectual curiosity, and repetitiveness new information.
 
sea manup said:
if the penis is removed (she has taken actions to physically become a woman) then go ahead and use the womans restroom

until then, keep you and your penis in the unisex or male restroom 

they are called unisex bathrooms are they not?
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It is incredibly difficult and expensive to have gender reassignment surgery, even with the Affordable Healthcare Act. For people with private insurance, it is still very difficult to have the surgery done. For minors trying to do it, it is basically impossible - especially if their parents are not well off. Therapy alone can approach tens of thousands of dollars, not including the cost of the actual operation, hospital care, and medication (usually hormones.)

I've seen a lot of people say "She should just have the surgery and then it'd be okay." That's a catch-22. In most cases, minors will not be able to have the surgery done, for a multitude of reasons. In order to use the HS girls bathroom you want her to have the surgery, but in order to have the surgery she has to be 18 and will most likely be done with HS by that time.

I've also seen a lot of people say stuff like:

doublemesh96 said:
its only a matter of time before we have straight normal dudes saying they identify as women just to roam freely in locker rooms and restrooms. 
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This has literally never happened outside of teenage boys trolling, nor will it outside of people trying to troll. In order for a school to even recognize that a student may be transgender, they have to attend months/years of therapy and be formally diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria. No teenage dude wants to see **** that badly, especially with the internet.

This kid has been identifying and dressing as a girl since 13, and probably leading a "feminine" lifestyle long before that. She even had been using the girls bathroom before, up until some girls caught wind of it and decided to protest. I'm 100% sure most really didn't even care until their parents found out and "inspired" (see: living vicariously through) their children to protest the ordeal and get the media involved. The same thing happened in MN. I'm glad Minnesotans saw it the other way.

Even if she doesn't get the surgery done, it's pretty obvious that she intends on living her life as a female. IMO, once that has been established I see no reason not to allow her or any other trans person to use the bathroom they want to. Its a bathroom. Its not like trans people are going around putting their gentialia in peoples faces. If anything trans people are more reserved about that kind of stuff and don't want your son or daughter inspecting their crotch.
 
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sea manup said:
if the penis is removed (she has taken actions to physically become a woman) then go ahead and use the womans restroom

until then, keep you and your penis in the unisex or male restroom 

they are called unisex bathrooms are they not?
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It is incredibly difficult and expensive to have gender reassignment surgery, even with the Affordable Healthcare Act. For people with private insurance, it is still very difficult to have the surgery done. For minors trying to do it, it is basically impossible - especially if their parents are not well off. Therapy alone can approach tens of thousands of dollars, not including the cost of the actual operation, hospital care, and medication
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i would imagine 

i wouldnt expect changing your sex to be cheap, but to be the other sex you kind of have to change it
 
this world is going down the drain.  people really go against the grain to accept this crap just for the sake of being different.    

i can't imagine what people will be cool with and accepting of 20 years from now on some 'be open minded, don't judge' nonsense.  like damn, where do we draw the line at?

people are pretty much saying who cares what these girls who are actual girls think about a boy with a penis using the womans restroom, they need to toughen up and get over it.   they gave it an option by using the other bathroom but it refused.  they did more than what they needed to by doing that in the first place.

how do you identify as a woman if you still have your penis though?  if you want to be a girl, get the operation, no half stepping here.  
 
Cedric Ceballos said:
this world is going down the drain.  people really go against the grain to accept this crap just for the sake of being different.    

i can't imagine what people will be cool with and accepting of 20 years from now on some 'be open minded, don't judge' nonsense.  like damn, where do we draw the line at?

people are pretty much saying who cares what these girls who are actual girls think about a boy with a penis using the womans restroom, they need to toughen up and get over it.   they gave it an option by using the other bathroom but it refused.  they did more than what they needed to by doing that in the first place.

how do you identify as a woman if you still have your penis though?  if you want to be a girl, get the operation, no half stepping here.  
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The physical transition can take a long time. Bruce Jenner started wearing Lee press-on nails in 2013 and now look at him. If this young man feels like he is truly meant to be a woman why not wish him the best? It really holds society back (and requires so much more energy) when we deny these people the basic necessity of getting dressed. But the bigger issue here is the protest which displays an archaic way of thinking. And I guarantee you 100% of those kids' parents were in full support of the Ferguson PD. This is bigger than penis, fam. We gotta squash the bigotry in its infancy.
 
if he wants to be a girl, he can be whatever he wants.   however at the same time we need to be considerate about others too.  when the transformation is complete, use the girls room and pee sitting down all day.  but until that time use the restroom the school set aside for you or use the men's room.

if i put a dress and wig on and went into a woman's restroom right now regardless of what my intentions were, it wouldn't be received well and understandably so.

he's stepping on everyone else's toes because he didn't get his way.  the same way he wants to be treated with respect, he should show respect for the girls who would be uncomfortable with him in the women's restroom.  being considerate goes both ways.
 
People can dress, act and feel any way they want and he/ she shouldn't be bullied or harassed for it.

But they need to understand the basics of which bathroom to go to.

People can't do whatever they want just because they feel like they are something that they are not
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
In what other scenario would you that much credence to the feelings of teenagers. :nerd:
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Ummm aren't you giving that much and more credence to the male teenagers feelings? His feelings of being a girl trump every other students feelings of discomfort? You are biased sir.

And isn't this about more than just going into a stall to use the toilet? I thought there was a locker room involved here. As in girls completely naked in a room with a completely naked male? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Why is it that you want the girls to just get over it but the dude that's actually causing the problems, the dude that choose to go outside of the norm should be granted everything he wants. Why can't he just get over it?
 
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