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You do know not everywhere is required to participate in the section 8 program? Even if, they don't have to accept an applicant. Being on section 8 doesn't mean you automatically have a place to stay.
Can 2 Parents and 2 Kids Live on Minimum Wage? According to New Report, Not Even Close
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hell no. i cant even afford to live on my own on a 30k salary
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Yeah, I'm aware. Many landlords prefer section 8 because it is a guaranteed check to them from the government. The city im in, section 8 is maxed out and there is a waiting list because it's being used so heavily.
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And while ur waiting for ur nice section 8 apt anywhere its accepted, the city will put u in the projects and forget about you...
Hurts my soul that I still gotta go visit my grandma out the hood...out the damn projects, smh..
According to this thread... people just want a level playing field with livable wages.
You have one thing semi-correct, though. The government plays a huge part in perpetuating inequality.
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Simple man. I'm not in a position to..sorry but "waiting for the govt" the only option we have right now..
I moved from her house, so I, not in the projects anymore..But I'm struggling myself, living check to check.. not really sure what help I can offer.. Being 100% real here man..
And I only brought up grandma cause she's been on a waiting list for literally years now to move into a retirement community....but the city is dragging their feet...so she's been stuck out the projects ever since...no big deal, I'd just prefer her be around her peers in a calmer environment with people her age..
Im tryna word this as best I can...and I'm not tryna be condescending myself man....but what 'help' do u suggest I give?
im not a well off guy...I have to struggle to keep my head above water...
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KSteezy say anything stupid in here before I scroll through all pages?
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Respect !
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You get ahead in America not by simply working hard but by making the right moves. Crazy how people take for granted how valuable a resource it is to have people who have already made it/are making it around them.
That's what I mean by "not knowing". You're painting the picture that people are staying in poverty because they are simply too lazy to do it. Making it in America is 80% strategic and 20% working hard but when you're from poverty throw in another 80% of luck. Yes I'm aware that doesn't add up to 100 but maybe that will give you some context. Knowing that you should make a left while other people have to make 2 rights is exactly how you get a head in America.
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Well since we cant agree on minimum wage and raising it will just raise prices... How about walmart lower their profit margin on goods? oh right that's anti-capitalism.
as americans we accept that even though it costs chipotle like 8 cents to provide you with a cup of soda, you pay 2 buck plus tax and then complain when they raise prices and not wages. you are right a greeter shouldn't get paid more for the same job because they work at walmart.. BUT walmart either needs to take their profits and expand and create job more opportunities, OR say "hey we made billions in profits last year, maybe we can slash the profit margins on certain necessities like milk or pampers or other family related items to allow people to SAVE MONEY and LIVE BETTER."
that might not be the best example. but you get the ideas. we will fight over wages for ever but when prices go up we just say "Oh its just the market"
It's not some magical automatic thing. The 1% starts to lose money and they pass the costs to poor people rather than taking less for themselves. Regardless of whether wages go up or not, this trend will be a cycle.
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I agree with you DLee.
But this is the smartest answer in the entire thread.
Don't have 4 kids by the age of 30 and complain about why your struggling.
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Yeah but you are asking people's lineage to possibly go extinct because there isn't enough money to go around? That's the issue! There is plenty to go around!
that raises major philosophical questions about society and what we see as the purpose for life and happiness. If a president of the US said hey black people can't have anymore kids, he would be crucified by the media and news outlets and called racist and a bigot. But socioeconomic status does divide heavily by race. and capitalism is not a system conducive to eliminating poverty. it widens the gaps instead and selects the few over the many.
I would say anything less than 17 dollars and an hour and both parents working can quickly lead to struggles for even the most frugal parents, without assistance that is. I'm talking about ONE kid, not even 4. It costs a lot to raise children. And without a certain level of investment, you will set them up for failure in this competitive environment. Just living in the wrong area will put them at a significant disadvantage.
So should we go around telling people you don't make $80k combined income? No kids for you. Is it ethical? Better yet, is it natural? An argument that preaches survival of the fittest suggest that this is the way things naturally work themselves out. What makes the rich people the fittest? If everything was fair and no one got a jump start through lineage would things come out like this. We reached a point together as a people because of our social contract as civilized people, but now it seems like we are back to a barbaric state figuratively killing off other persons kids to compete for resources we WANT but dont NEED.
Biologically reproduction is a primary life function, it's built into our physical make up. And I didn't want kids, but next year, i'll be having one. I could afford an abortion but spiritually i don't feel it is right. People aren't perfect and can't be relied on to do the rational choice 100% of the time when it goes against thousands of years of genetic behaviors.
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People need to realize that there needs to be poverty, it's not possible for everyone to be successful
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Companies don't care about ethics now, it's all about the money. All they care about is their bottom dollar, don't care about people, employees, ethics, nothing.
Money makes the world go 'round.
I consider a "spending problem" frivolous spending... Buying nonessentials before paying bills and such.
Agree to disagree.
I appreciate the realness and you explaining. And I completely understand where your coming from. I just asked cause I wanted to know the situation. Before saying something out of pocket.
One of my ex's mother let her mother (My exes grandmother) stay in the projects while she bought a house 25 mins away in a nice are
My grandma lives in Hudson county NJ (one of the most densely populated areas in the U.S.)
Moms told her she would move her in but luckely she got into a old folks building and she enjoys it.
Hopefully things chance for your grandma. It sucks that she has to wait on that list. Keep your head up fam.
NT needs more level headed exchanges like this one.
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No I'm not, not sure how you got to that conclusion.
Im just saying these people should be smarter when they decide to start a family. I see it everyday man, mom and dad barely 30 with 3 babies just struggling to get by and its horrible. They can have as many kids as they want, just don't complain about struggling when no one forced you into having them.
Im pretty sure our president could tell blacks whatever he wanted to and they wouldn't call him a bigot.
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Welp /endthread then.
Make minimum wage 5 bucks and let supply and demand do the rest.
Obviously people need to have some sort of foundation before having children but at this rate raising 2 or 3 kids comfortably would require 6 figure salaries. most people will never see that. so your really saying if you have kids you chose to be a struggling parent. It wasn't like that in the era our parents grew up in. thats what the real issue is. prices and wages aren't going up in tandem because of greed. but if everyone is cool with that then whatever. i got my bread up. everyone else can starve since they wanna have kids before 30.
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You can make minimum wage whatever you want. It won't change anything. It really isn't hard to grasp but people don't want to look past step 1
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Why do we need poverty? That sounds like something anyone but a person living in poverty would say.
No one is saying everyone needs to be successful. People are advocating fair, livable wages.
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Whats a livable wage?
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I live in a part of NC where you can stretch your money out pretty good for cost of living so I say people could get by for well under 6 figures with 2 children. No one is saying you cant have kids before 30 man, just be smart about it. Don't try to have a family when you're broke, Im sorry thats the way it is.
Lifes not fair, times change, and nothing will stop that.
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Acording to this thread $15-20/hr.