Can 2 Parents and 2 Kids Live on Minimum Wage? According to New Report, Not Even Close

BIGBOSS said:
Id like to see the breakdown in percent in terms of poverty and race.

Ive actually been kicked out of a bar before for my pants sagging :lol:

I can see where you're coming from but dress codes like that are probably more for making the club/bar "look" better in terms of how the public views the business and what type of crowd it wants to appeal to. Grown and sexy brings more money than young and dumb lol

I don't feel bad for someone who cant go to their favorite bar because the owner doesn't want baggy pants in there. Clubs/bars are private places, they can do what they want for the most part and you have plenty to choose from most places.
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That's was just an example but you see what I'm saying. If a store says you cant come in if you are over 6'0 feet tall, and a certain group of people is almost exclusively of that height, what's that store also saying?
 
jdfrenchbread23 said:
That's was just an example but you see what I'm saying. If a store says you cant come in if you are over 6'0 feet tall, and a certain group of people is almost exclusively of that height, what's that store also saying?
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Business couldn't do that though. You cant compare that to a dress code, plus if you don't like certain rules of a bar or club then you shouldn't want to go spend your money there.

Everyones money is green though.
 
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BIGBOSS said:
Business couldn't do that though. You cant compare that to a dress code, plus if you don't like certain rules of a bar or club then you shouldn't want to go spend your money there.

Everyones money is green though.
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I know business can't do that im just trying to draw a parallel between how some government policies can affect certain groups of people without directly attacking them.

Remember the voter ID laws that were pushed in the last election?

"The report, issued Wednesday by the General Accounting Office [pdf], found that fewer African Americans have the types of identification — like a driver’s license or state-issued identification card — required to obtain a ballot than whites. As a consequence, turnout among African American voters fell by a larger percent than turnout among white voters in two states that implemented identification requirements between 2008 and 2012."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...re-among-african-american-and-younger-voters/
 
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BIGBOSS said:
 
Oh yeah its way easier to be at the bottom complain then actually being at the top and knowing exactly what its like running these companies.

Logic would help but many don't use it.
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Didn't the United States taxpayers help bail out banks not too long ago? Didn't several banks issue ridiculous bonuses almost immediately after? I'm just a bottom dweller, so maybe I don't understand what it's like to actually be at the top and run these companies. 
 
jdfrenchbread23 said:
I know business can't do that im just trying to draw a parallel between how some government policies can affect certain groups of people without directly attacking them.

Remember the voter ID laws that were pushed in the last election?

"The report, issued Wednesday by the General Accounting Office [pdf], found that fewer African Americans have the types of identification — like a driver’s license or state-issued identification card — required to obtain a ballot than whites. As a consequence, turnout among African American voters fell by a larger percent than turnout among white voters in two states that implemented identification requirements between 2008 and 2012."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...re-among-african-american-and-younger-voters/
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You should have to have an ID to vote.

Are people not smart enough to go get an ID?

Not even debatable in my opinion that you should have to have one.
 
Boris said:
 
Didn't the United States taxpayers help bail out banks not too long ago? Didn't several banks issue ridiculous bonuses almost immediately after? I'm just a bottom dweller, so maybe I don't understand what it's like to actually be at the top and run these companies. 
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You don't understand what its like to be at the top, otherwise you wouldn't be in this thread complaining about minimum wage...
 
BIGBOSS said:
Boris said:
 

Didn't the United States taxpayers help bail out banks not too long ago? Didn't several banks issue ridiculous bonuses almost immediately after? I'm just a bottom dweller, so maybe I don't understand what it's like to actually be at the top and run these companies. 
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You don't understand what its like to be at the top, otherwise you wouldn't be in this thread complaining about minimum wage...
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And your screen name insinuates that you do?

What's it like being at the top? Hmmm, let me guess, maximum profit for your shareholders? What else? Where to cut spending? Wages! Automation! Cheap Fed money! No? Then you're fired.
 
TeamJordan79 said:
BIGBOSS said:
Boris said:
 

Didn't the United States taxpayers help bail out banks not too long ago? Didn't several banks issue ridiculous bonuses almost immediately after? I'm just a bottom dweller, so maybe I don't understand what it's like to actually be at the top and run these companies. 
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You don't understand what its like to be at the top, otherwise you wouldn't be in this thread complaining about minimum wage...
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And your screen name insinuates that you do?

What's it like being at the top? Hmmm, let me guess, maximum profit for your shareholders? What else? Where to cut spending? Wages! Automation! Cheap Fed money! No? Then you're fired.
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Can't forget lobbying to keep the law on your side so you can keep dodging taxes and being immune to proper judgment while getting bonuses on top of it all :smokin
 
TeamJordan79 said:
And your screen name insinuates that you do?

What's it like being at the top? Hmmm, let me guess, maximum profit for your shareholders? What else? Where to cut spending? Wages! Automation! Cheap Fed money! No? Then you're fired.
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Im at the bottom too dog, but I don't complain about things I have no control over.

Some of you guys sound like you'd be so miserable to be around in real life.
 
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BIGBOSS said:
TeamJordan79 said:
And your screen name insinuates that you do?


What's it like being at the top? Hmmm, let me guess, maximum profit for your shareholders? What else? Where to cut spending? Wages! Automation! Cheap Fed money! No? Then you're fired.
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:lol:

Im at the bottom too dog, but I don't complain about things I have no control over.

Some of you guys sound like you'd be so miserable to be around in real life.
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Who's to say you don't? That's one of our major issues being "at the bottom" we act like we can't make some type of difference.
 
illmatic34 said:
http://dollarsandsense.org/archives/2014/0714macewan.html
http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/...age-does-not-automatically-lead-to-inflation/
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
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Myth:  Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true:  In a letter  to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front.""

Actually, there are statistics from Washington that showed the unemployment rate (mostly minimum wage workers) went up after they raised the minimum wage to $15. Business owners have to compensate for the increased cost somehow, whether it's through layoffs or increasing the price of its product/services.
 
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illmatic34 said:
http://dollarsandsense.org/archives/2014/0714macewan.html
http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/...age-does-not-automatically-lead-to-inflation/
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
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Myth:
 Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.



Not true:
 In a letter
 to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front.""



Actually, there are statistics from Washington that showed the unemployment rate (mostly minimum wage workers) went up after they raised the minimum wage to $15. Business owners have to compensate for the increased cost somehow, whether it's through layoffs or increasing the price of its product/services.
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That's definitely a side effect of increasing wages, but once the increased wages become the norm then it will be considered "normal"
 
BIGBOSS said:
You should have to have an ID to vote.

Are people not smart enough to go get an ID?

Not even debatable in my opinion that you should have to have one.
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Intellect doesn't determine how many rights you're afforded. In any case these were laws specifically put in place to disrupt the black voter turnout. And again they didn't have to say blacks can't vote to do it.
 
unkn0wn said:
illmatic34 said:
http://dollarsandsense.org/archives/2014/0714macewan.html
http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/...age-does-not-automatically-lead-to-inflation/
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
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"

Myth:
 Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.



Not true:
 In a letter
 to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front.""



Actually, there are statistics from Washington that showed the unemployment rate (mostly minimum wage workers) went up after they raised the minimum wage to $15. Business owners have to compensate for the increased cost somehow, whether it's through layoffs or increasing the price of its product/services.
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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/no-one-knows-if-15-minimum-wage-will-cost-jobs


Economists at the University of California, Berkeley, conducted a study on behalf of the city of Los Angeles, as it mulled whether to go to $15. They projected that doing so would lead to very modest job loss, totaling 3,472 jobs—or between 0.1 and 0.2% of all jobs—when the new wage was fully phased in. “These employment changes are quite small when compared to projected job growth of 2.5 percent a year in the city,” the authors added.

And a University of Massachusetts Amherst study released in January looked at how the fast-food industry would respond to a phased-in $15 minimum wage. It found that because restaurants would see less staff turnover, implementing modest price increases would allow them to adjust without cutting jobs.

New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer didn’t directly look at the impact on jobs when his office studied the effect on the city’s economy of mandating $15 an hour for the state’s fast-food industry, as a wage board appointed by the governor is considering. But Stringer did find that doing so would raise wages for the city’s workers by over $10 billion, benefiting nearly 1.5 million people. Economists say that because low-income people tend to spend any surplus cash quickly, to cover basic needs, boosting their wages is likely to be particularly effective at stimulating the economy.
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Again... No idea what would actually happen. But I'd like to see.

I don't even eat fast food like that. I don't care if a burger goes up .15¢ so someone can afford to live more comfortably and happy.
 
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jdfrenchbread23 said:
Intellect doesn't determine how many rights you're afforded. In any case these were laws specifically put in place to disrupt the black voter turnout. And again they didn't have to say blacks can't vote to do it.
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We will just have to agree to disagree on this.
 
jdfrenchbread23 said:
What exactly you disagreeing on? The fact that intellect has no barring on rights? Or that those laws were put in place to discourage black voters?
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The laws were put in place to discourage black voters.

You need an ID to do so many other things in life, why should voting be any different?

They are free in my state so you cant use the money argument either.
 
JJ Watt said:
It really isn't that hard to get an ID though.

Like I understand why your saying but come on.

You act like they asking for a degree or something.
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BIGBOSS said:
The laws were put in place to discourage black voters.

You need an ID to do so many other things in life, why should voting be any different?

They are free in my state so you cant use the money argument either.
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That's fine, and you can read up on the topic in general if you want to know why it was such an issue. It was all over the news back then.

All I'm saying is that entire groups of people can be targeted by government policies, with out having to designate that group/race/what have you as the target.

Any policy limiting or increasing the spending power of the poor will always disproportionally affect the black and brown people because black and brown people are disproportionally poor when compared to other races. That's the point I was trying to make.
 
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LOL so statistics show clearly who are most effected by voter turnout laws but still "naaaaah I disagree."

Republican legislators have also moved to cut early voting days or hours in states like North Carolina, Ohio and elsewhere. The GAO found African Americans are much more likely to use those early voting windows to cast their ballots than white voters, while white voters are more likely to use absentee ballots. In 2012, 13.1 percent of white voters cast ballots early in person, versus 18.3 percent who cast their vote by absentee. Among African Americans, 22.4 percent voted early in person, and just 9.2 percent voted by absentee.
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Soooo this isn't a race based strategy? I mean, I can't knock it, it's very smart. But it is based 100% on race.



Peep this article on the various voter ID laws and instances of fraud: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...onnect-between-voter-id-laws-and-voter-fraud/

In essence that it states that they is basically no in person fraud. And not enough fraud to change the effects of ANY election. These laws main job is to repress poor, minorities and young people.
 
jdfrenchbread23 said:
That's fine, and you can read up on the topic in general if you want to know why it was such an issue. It was all over the news back then.

All I'm saying is that entire groups of people can be targeted by government policies, with out having to designate that group/race/what have you as the target.

Any policy limiting or increasing the spending power of the poor will always disproportionally affect the black and brown people because black and brown people are disproportionally poor when compared to other races. That's the point I was trying to make.
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I get what you're saying.
 
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BIGBOSS said:
:lol:

Im at the bottom too dog, but I don't complain about things I have no control over.

Some of you guys sound like you'd be so miserable to be around in real life.
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Earlier in the topic, weren't you advocating that people work harder to pull themselves out of poverty? But now you're saying people shouldn't work hard to address the root-cause? I guess people should only work harder when it supports your argument.
 
You guys can post all the articles you want but that doesn't change the fact how easy it is to go get an ID and vote.

Why would you not want to have an ID? I cant think of any benefits or reasons to not have one.

Why is it so easy for whites to get an ID but its a problem for people of color?
 
Boris said:
Earlier in the topic, weren't you advocating that people work harder to pull themselves out of poverty? But now you're saying people shouldn't work hard to address the root-cause? I guess people should only work harder when it supports your argument.
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lol strong reach with that one.

Big difference in saying work harder to make more money to make it out of poverty versus working hard to try and change our government by yourself.
 
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