Can 2 Parents and 2 Kids Live on Minimum Wage? According to New Report, Not Even Close

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Can 2 Parents, 2 Kids Live on Minimum Wage? Not Even Close: Report
by FRED IMBERT
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For minimum wage employees, the data may not be a surprise, but it remains a stark finding.

A new Economic Policy Institute report finds that, no matter where they live in the United States, minimum wage workers earn far less than they need to make ends meet.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/business/careers/can-2-parents-2-kids-live-minimum-wage-not-even-n418931

EPI Family Budget Calculator (says ~$55,000 needed for my city, Lawton Oklahoma. Seems an overestimation but idk)

http://www.epi.org/resources/budget/
Compiling data from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Federal Highway Administration, the Bureau of Labor Statistics and several other sources, the nonpartisan think tank found that the average cost of living in the U.S., excluding discretionary spending, is more than $65,000 a year for a family with two adults and two children. That's roughly $50,000 more than what a minimum-wage worker earns. The EPI also looked at the cost of living for single adults and found similar disparities.

And the gap is even wider in some high-cost cities. A household with two adults and two children in Washington, D.C., for example, would need to budget more than $106,000 a year to make ends meet, researchers found. That makes it the most expensive area in the country for a family that size, without taking into account discretionary spending.

The new data, which supports findings by other groups such as the National Low Income Housing Coalition and Pew Research Center, comes amid increased efforts to increase the minimum wage for workers across the country.

Several localities have raised their minimum wage, including Los Angeles, California's largest city, which announced on June 10 it would raise its minimum wage from $9 an hour to $15 by 2020. Some states have followed suit. Last month, the New York wage board appointed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo made history by recommending a $15 minimum wage for fast-food chain workers statewide.

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And the issue is likely to take center stage heading into the 2016 presidential race.

GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump told MSNBC last week, "I think having a low minimum wage is not a bad thing for this country." But he added that he hopes to "create jobs so that ... you're making much more than the minimum wage."

Meanwhile, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton has spoken out in favor of legislation proposed by Sen. Patty Murray, a Democrat from Washington, that would establish a $12-an-hour minimum nationwide.

And presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont Independent who's running for the Democratic nomination, introduced his own legislation last month that would raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, saying, "It is a national disgrace that millions of full-time workers are living in poverty and millions more are forced to work two or three jobs just to pay their bills." (President Barack Obama has called on Congress to raise the national minimum wage to $10.10 an hour and signed an executive order to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 for new federal service contract workers.)

Sanders called the current federal minimum wage of $7.25, in place since 2009, a "starvation wage"—a moniker borne out by the EPI data, which found that minimum wage workers make far less than the average cost of living in the more than 600 metropolitan areas analyzed, whether they're single or supporting a family.

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Even in Tennessee, a state with some of the most affordable cities in the country, minimum wage workers cannot cover the cost of basic necessities such as housing, food and other expenses, said Elise Gould, senior economist at EPI.

While the annual cost of living alone in Memphis with no children, for example, is about $27,000, a full-time minimum wage employee there earns just $15,080 a year, according to EPI. The disparity is much larger in high-cost areas such as New York City, where a full-time minimum wage employee earns $18,200 a year before taxes but the annual cost of living for one adult with no children is more than $43,000.

The nonprofit think tank released the analysis as part of an update to its Family Budget Calculator, a tool that provides the average monthly and annual costs for housing, food, child care and other basic living expenses, based on a user's location and the number of adults and children in the household, using data from a number of sources.
 
**sarcastic voice** then let's pay them $20 an hour. They can't feed their family. It's not their fault they're not educated or have a skill for a better job
 
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Some people are born into situations such as poverty which they cannot control and cannot get the education they need. Or straight up, in some cities, education is just piss poor, usually due to lack of money or government assistance. Poor education = poor sex education = unprotected sex. People cant follow their dreams because their prioritiy is survival and taking care of their family. Then you also have situations where drugs, sex, and violence are norms in communities (a person cannot control that they are born in such an environment); as a consequence, you have non-violent crimes and tougher to get jobs. Sometimes, the only jobs they can get are minimum wage ones! Leading to one or two jobs at a time (less time with children)...cycle continues.

Minimum wage has gone up in cities such as SF/LA/Seattle because the cost of living is so high. I think minimum wage should be higher (alebit not as high in say...the midwest or rural places). I'm not sure if the minimum wage was INTENDED to be a living wage, so if anyone knows, I'd love to know!

TLDR: The system is to blame. But it is ultimately up to individuals how much they want to blame it and how much they want to blame personal choices. And thank you Sociology 1 at university 
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nomnom nomnom I agree with a lot of stuff you said. A lot of people go through many obstacles. You can sit there and make an excuse or find a way to win.our society has a tendency to always blame things on others or have a copout as to why they didn't succeed.

**** don't you think I'm jealous of some of these people who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth? Full college tuition paid for, don't have to work, nice car, nice house, etc. Hell yea! But I can sit here and ***** and moan but that's not gonna get me anywhere. Life is a game of survival of the fittest. Some people get lucky, some don't, but you still gotta play the game
 
a single person cant support themselves on minimum wage. its ridiculous that someone can work 40hours a week and not make a livable wage. its a joke. everything has gone up except wages .

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about 320 mil ppl in the us. and 120 mil have jobs. simply isnt enough jobs for everybody. unemployment is hella high. they need to make all jobs be a livable wage. 
 
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I would have read the article if it pertained to 2 parents on minimum wage with 1 child.
 
on one hand you can blame the system which is clearly broken

but on the other hand there is no way to create a perfect system that is fair to everyone
 
As someone who works a minimum wage job part time while in school (valet), if I switched to full time it would be very difficult to live a decent lifestyle by myself. With kids and a wife it would be damn near impossible
 
On some level, should you be able to comfortably raise a family on minimum wage? Would that not deincentivize advanced education and vocational growth? Ideally, everyone would live within their means, whatever they are, to include producing kids. And can't tell you how many sub-poverty line individuals on my time line with the last couple week's rash of "my kids first day of school," posts had all 3 of them in the newest Jordans and Polo shirts but literally got their window to their house busted out and a trash bag taped up in there, or something similar. Not even saying you have to put them in 9.99 Starburys or anything, but switch Vans for Jordans times 3 and you just saved like $300 and can fix your window, or sign up for some online classes or any number of more productive ways to spend it.
 
I hate when news outlets make headlines about ironing out systems that they're already well aware of. Journalist and "educated" people know why this infrastructure is in tact. Just making more articles about issues that they've always known of. Common sense.
 
Shouldn't be having multiple kids if you have a minimum wage job

I hate these assumptions, maybe one or both is college educated and laid off jus taking a job to get by, or maybe they just wanna see if the stress from their old jobs was worth it.

Anyway it's def doable you just won't have many ammentities or fun, the struggle is real for my fam of 3 living off 100k+ but if we didn't eat seafood, live on the water, drive new cars, buy new clothes etc etc... I'd say 10k a head is liveable just not ideal for most of us
 
That's what most people don't get. Back in the 50's and 60's, the wife could stay home while the man worked bringing in enough to buy a home, a car, go on vacation, etc. Now a days w/ the way companies control the market, both parents have to work, and sometimes more than one job. You'll see it more in minority households. Though financial literacy plays a part, you can't do much in certain environments. Hell, in the Crips or Bloods thread, dudes were either involved or affiliated because that's what they grew up around, no way to escape it.

Some people also fall on hard time, when the recession hit, you had dude who used to pull in 6 figures working for places like Target, Wal-Mart, etc.

At the end of the day, the wage should be livable. But nobody really cares about the people that work to keep these businesses open now do they?
 
It's called greed...

I don't even think $15/hour is enough in major cities (SF, LA, NY).

Also, people not sharing what they make is the dumbest ******* thing ever. You have no negotiating power when getting a new job or seeking a promotion. Who do you think that benefits?

When it comes to the 1%, they use that to their advantage to get more. What do poor people do? "How dare you ask me?" "That's rude!" It's so *** backwards.
 
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i work with that couple that brings in at least 180k and they still leave with their parents and struggle. i like i told my gf, thats their faut.
 
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i work with that couple that brings in at least 180k and they still leave with their parents and struggle. i like i told my gf, thats their faut.
I mean, do they complain about it or is there some type of plan for a family empire?
 
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