Child Support Makes No Sense!

pardon my ignorance on custody/CS matters, but custody is overwhelmingly granted to the mother regardless of her economic status, correct?  

Usually, unless it's proven that the mother is a complete deadbeat, they try to keep the mother with the kids. I worked in family court for years, pretty ****** up **** you see.
 
I wish i could change the laws to make cs payments like food stamps. Where the parents who was reciveing cs was giving a card so they can track what the parent buys for the child. I see way to many dudes struggling to eat when the moms buy gucci bags and ish.
 
I was just talking about this the other day. The system is 100% catered to the woman that's why u gotta watch who u drop a seed in nowadays SRS.
its ridiculous but thats what happens when you live in a feminized country. 

the us puts the p on a pedestal.

i have two kids . think i get any childsupports from they mom. nope. not a dime. f this government. if i had the means id be gone in a minute. 

im just glad she let me have them. they better off with me. 
 
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Since my previous post got ignored, I'll say it again. KEEP EVERYTHING DOCUMENTED, and if it does hit the fan, put yourself on CS so it'll look more favorable on you.
I'm not ignoring it, I'll just let you know this right here.

My brother showed receipts at the initial hearing.

It didn't add up to their formula amount.

The state of Ohio uses a set formula based on income, amount of children, and amount of children your currently paying cs for.

This aint Judge Judy where she makes the decision all willy nilly.

Only thing I think adds to the equation is if he pays for their health insurance.
 
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Don't care to make it about race..I'm speaking from experience and what I see...It could just be my ignorance on the matter..but I just don't see other men complain about it as much as black men..even with famous people I hear it complain about way more by black people.
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Since my previous post got ignored, I'll say it again. KEEP EVERYTHING DOCUMENTED, and if it does hit the fan, put yourself on CS so it'll look more favorable on you.

I'm not ignoring it, I'll just let you know this right here.

My brother showed receipts at the initial hearing.

It didn't add up to their formula amount.

The state of Ohio uses a set formula based on income, amount of children, and amount of children your currently paying cs for.

This aint Judge Judy where she makes the decision all willy nilly.

Only thing I think adds to the equation is if he pays for their health insurance.

Health Insurance is a big especially w/ the government pushing it. I know they have a formula but it also helps to have things documented. She can run in there say you never paid anything, you don't have receipts so they'll take her word for it and hit u w/ the payments plus back support. You're fighting a battle you essentially can't win, but you can at least determine how they'll take your manhood :lol:
 
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I might just do that.

But was are you paying more then what you were giving her?

My issue is, I pay for half of daycare, we both buy her clothes, and if BM ask for a extra $20 here and there I give it to her.

All in all it's about 300 a month.

I don't wanna go in there and be slapped with a $500 a moth settlement.

My child support is $374 monthly. It was actually around $250 until the attorney motioned to put her wages lower. It skyrocketed to $425 monthly, so I had to show proof that I was paying health insurance for my daughter to lower it to $374.

I do know that there is a loophole for fathers. If you put yourself on and then both agree on a good amount per month, get it notarized, and present it to either the CS agent or the judge, that amount will be the only thing you pay.
That's what me and my ex agreed on. We were going to go to court and then deny child support and I'll just pay health insurance.
They called her up and the attorney got her to change her mind.
Make sure your ex knows the game plan and sticks to it.

Mind you, I'm in GA. Our CS laws here are brutal.
 
Health Insurance is a big especially w/ the government pushing it. I know they have a formula but it also helps to have things documented. She can run in there say you never paid anything, you don't have receipts so they'll take her word for it and hit u w/ the payments plus back support. You're fighting a battle you essentially can't win, but you can at least determine how they'll take your manhood :lol:

They have the same formula in GA. Probably everywhere.
They calculate each parents income, then they take a third of that and say that's what the parents would spend on their child of they were together. So 1/3 of both income goes to the child...
Now they split the 1/3 and see who contributes LESS. If it's the mother then the father makes up the difference. If it's the father then he makes smaller payments.

Dathgbboy is right about keeping receipts but mind you, your brother can't just bring receipts of clothes or fast food places. The receipts need to be money order receipts saying that this money is going to this female at this date and time for this amount of money. If you ever say you gave your ex cash then the court decides that that cash was considered as a gift and not money towards CS. The courts need a paper trail so verify that the money actually went through a banks hand before it touched the mothers.

My oldest brother went to jail and had his license suspended in upstate New York. He gave his ex plenty of cash. You already know how that went.
 
Health Insurance is a big especially w/ the government pushing it. I know they have a formula but it also helps to have things documented. She can run in there say you never paid anything, you don't have receipts so they'll take her word for it and hit u w/ the payments plus back support. You're fighting a battle you essentially can't win, but you can at least determine how they'll take your manhood
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They have the same formula in GA. Probably everywhere.
They calculate each parents income, then they take a third of that and say that's what the parents would spend on their child of they were together. So 1/3 of both income goes to the child...
Now they split the 1/3 and see who contributes LESS. If it's the mother then the father makes up the difference. If it's the father then he makes smaller payments.

Dathgbboy is right about keeping receipts but mind you, your brother can't just bring receipts of clothes or fast food places. The receipts need to be money order receipts saying that this money is going to this female at this date and time for this amount of money. If you ever say you gave your ex cash then the court decides that that cash was considered as a gift and not money towards CS. The courts need a paper trail so verify that the money actually went through a banks hand before it touched the mothers.

My oldest brother went to jail and had his license suspended in upstate New York. He gave his ex plenty of cash. You already know how that went.
Hands down the best CS advice in here.

I just be handing my BM cash out my pocket when I see her thinking we cool like that, but I'm scared now.

I'm bout to start the paper trail now and prey that I'll never need to use them.
 
Just did an estimator if my wife an I ever separated/divorced based off of numbers I can remember.
By this calculation, on top of what I'm already paying, I'd have to pay an extra $318.

The formula makes literally no sense. But cats aren't fighting to change it somehow either.

Health Insurance is a big especially w/ the government pushing it. I know they have a formula but it also helps to have things documented. She can run in there say you never paid anything, you don't have receipts so they'll take her word for it and hit u w/ the payments plus back support. You're fighting a battle you essentially can't win, but you can at least determine how they'll take your manhood :lol:


They have the same formula in GA. Probably everywhere.

They calculate each parents income, then they take a third of that and say that's what the parents would spend on their child of they were together. So 1/3 of both income goes to the child...

Now they split the 1/3 and see who contributes LESS. If it's the mother then the father makes up the difference. If it's the father then he makes smaller payments.


Dathgbboy is right about keeping receipts but mind you, your brother can't just bring receipts of clothes or fast food places. The receipts need to be money order receipts saying that this money is going to this female at this date and time for this amount of money. If you ever say you gave your ex cash then the court decides that that cash was considered as a gift and not money towards CS. The courts need a paper trail so verify that the money actually went through a banks hand before it touched the mothers.


My oldest brother went to jail and had his license suspended in upstate New York. He gave his ex plenty of cash. You already know how that went.

Hands down the best CS advice in here.

I just be handing my BM cash out my pocket when I see her thinking we cool like that, but I'm scared now.

I'm bout to start the paper trail now and prey that I'll never need to use them.

You gotta protect yourself b. U never know who's in her ear or could be in her ear. Yall might have a good thing but she could have bitter friends tryna sway her like Unfufu.

I think you can deposit into a person's account w/o the account number. Write checks and write what it's for in the memo and get that deposit slip.

The government pretty much supplements the woman's income w/ yours in these cases, It's almost like tipping :lol:

Instead of getting you to pay a fair portion of childcare expenses, they make you pay for what she can't because she aint trying to.
 
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Lol..that came out wrong..what I meant to say is..I think black men are affected by it way more than any other group..especially young black men..as mentioned before I have several friends being affected by it..I'm to lazy to look it up right now..but I'm sure their numbers out there.
 
I was paying CS for 17 years and it just stopped in June. My son graduated from HS. I was blessed to never fall behind but I tell you the system is not set up for the father! You gotta be lawyer up to stand a chance in CS court. One of my good friends just got his reduce by $200+ because went to CS court with his lawyer.
 
I never give my child mother cash...it's always an account transfer through BoA ....I need them receipts in case she ever turn heel

I don't think she would put me on because I do way more than what CS would take

But she could always do it outta spite if I get In another serious relationship

Fathers who give cash be getting hit with that back CS :x
 
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Great thread. I'm currently on CS right now with my first child. I put myself on because my ex wanted me to pay her cash every month. She was young and conniving so I knew she'd up the ante every month. Plus she threatened to put me on CS out of nowhere once.
She's a waitress so the court swung in her favor big time.
If anyone is about to go to court, please get a lawyer to represent YOU. The state will represent the woman and they will treat you like you're on the stand for murder. They'll talk about how you have a good job and blah blah blah, then they hit you with that number.

The state attorney motioned for the court to put my ex's income below minimum wage since she's a waitress. At the time I was making $12.74 at geico.

You mean to tell me that this girl makes below $2 an hour at a restaurant with no tips? She told me every week that she made more than me. I was floored. Even my ex saw what was happening and just sat there thinking she won. This is one reason why I really hate the view of tipping. If you do it to help out the server on their living conditions, why aren't those tips considered in a court of law? I don't care about the tips not being accounted for or taxed. It's just another way how a loophole gets closed and fathers are left outside of it.

I get my jobs to take out the money in my checks. The only time I never made a full payment was when I quit geico and I needed another job. I paid one month halfway. It's always better to make a payment then to not make one. Once you're behind a whole month worth of CS, you are technically in contempt of court. Ish is stupid I know.
The good fathers will always get popped on due to the dead beat fathers who are in endless amounts of debt with CS. Even celebrities like trick daddy make us look bad.

It's all good though. I'm about to have another child with my new girlfriend. I'll put in a modification to lower my CS for the first one.
plus my ex will eventually graduate college and land herself a big girl job.

I wasn't aware that you could lower your CS because you have another child. Here in Illinois the first gets the higher pecentage and the rest follows suit.

Im currently on CS for my 2 kids with my first wife. We agreed on a number and put it in the divorce settlement. I pay her monthly and my kids 14 and 12. I have a 5 year old with my current wife and even though we married, but separated I pay her every month as well.
 
 
Great thread. I'm currently on CS right now with my first child. I put myself on because my ex wanted me to pay her cash every month. She was young and conniving so I knew she'd up the ante every month. Plus she threatened to put me on CS out of nowhere once.
She's a waitress so the court swung in her favor big time.
If anyone is about to go to court, please get a lawyer to represent YOU. The state will represent the woman and they will treat you like you're on the stand for murder. They'll talk about how you have a good job and blah blah blah, then they hit you with that number.

The state attorney motioned for the court to put my ex's income below minimum wage since she's a waitress. At the time I was making $12.74 at geico.

You mean to tell me that this girl makes below $2 an hour at a restaurant with no tips? She told me every week that she made more than me. I was floored. Even my ex saw what was happening and just sat there thinking she won. This is one reason why I really hate the view of tipping. If you do it to help out the server on their living conditions, why aren't those tips considered in a court of law? I don't care about the tips not being accounted for or taxed. It's just another way how a loophole gets closed and fathers are left outside of it.

I get my jobs to take out the money in my checks. The only time I never made a full payment was when I quit geico and I needed another job. I paid one month halfway. It's always better to make a payment then to not make one. Once you're behind a whole month worth of CS, you are technically in contempt of court. Ish is stupid I know.
The good fathers will always get popped on due to the dead beat fathers who are in endless amounts of debt with CS. Even celebrities like trick daddy make us look bad.

It's all good though. I'm about to have another child with my new girlfriend. I'll put in a modification to lower my CS for the first one.
plus my ex will eventually graduate college and land herself a big girl job.
I wasn't aware that you could lower your CS because you have another child. Here in Illinois the first gets the higher pecentage and the rest follows suit.

Im currently on CS for my 2 kids with my first wife. We agreed on a number and put it in the divorce settlement. I pay her monthly and my kids 14 and 12. I have a 5 year old with my current wife and even though we married, but separated I pay her every month as well.
Damn that sucks man 
 
Long as I keep them happy and paid my life remains simple like it is now. I'm blessed to have a decent gig that pays well and DJ. In a few years I will be just paying for 1 kid.
 
The average price of an abortion is $470
Even though what you just said is completely ****** up.

I agree.

If a man get's a women prego, there should be a contract signed before it get's to the point of abortion and see how females treat birth then.

A man can't ok an abortion.
 
I never give my child mother cash...it's always an account transfer through BoA ....I need them receipts in case she ever turn heel

I don't think she would put me on because I do way more than what CS would take

But she could always do it outta spite if I get In another serious relationship

Fathers who give cash be getting hit with that back CS :x

Smart man.
 
Jesus, as a yg in the game, I can't trust these females no how and y'all just gave me a another reason not to trust em
 
Why do moms get the bad rep as far as child support. You guys don't see the other side of the mom doing everything by herself when essentially a child is both parents responsibility. As far as the court favoring the mom i don't believe that's true if you are a good parents and have your **** together the mom wont get sole custody. The mother might get residential but you will have joint custody and then i believe you don't have to pay child support since the child will split his time with you and your ex. I currently have sole custody of my child and my ex is a scumbag and ive never asked him for a dime for our daughter. While we were together he provided for her but after our breakup he became a ****** dad. I've never come to putting him on child support and the amount of **** i get for not doing it is ridiculous but my reasoning is that at the end of the day im fortunate enough to be able to raise my daughter without depending on anyone for anything. If i ever did get anything from him it goes to her bank account so he  could never turn around and say that i need his money or that he paid for anything personally for me. But not everyone is that fortunate and to anyone going through custody or cs good luck because its a long boring drawn out process. 
 
^^^ You're the exception and not the rule, majority of the women are spiteful and bitter and want the man to pay for not wanting to be w/ them anymore. The court's logic is that as a woman w/ a child, you are entitled to money from the man even if you both made the conscious decision to have sex and create life w/ no inkling of being/staying in a relationship.

It's also an easy come up for women so why not. I've work in public service where women didn't work and intentionally got pregnant for more free services (SNAP, WIC, etc.) Even if the man wanted to be there, knows he fathered the child, the mom could push him away and make him pay,and the courts will decide in her favor because she's a mother. There are some deadbeat moms out there too who either leave the kids or lay around and collect money the dad is working for.
 
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