Prince Rogers Nelson appreciation post.

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trasoul82

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I'm not really sure what to say at this point. Reality is setting in. I'm just resurrecting this because most of the things I want to say... I realize I've already said.

RIP to the GOAT... :smh: :frown: |I

PRINCE ROGERS NELSON 1958-2016



UPDATE: TWEET DELETED. MARATHON REPLAY CANCELED. :smh:




I guess the station like the response they've gotten with this marathon, because they've decided to do it AGAIN. I can't think of another artist dead or alive that has had a radio station dedicate 48 consecutive hours soley to their music catalog.

The craziest part is that he could easily fill the 48 hours with no repeats, but the library (~26 hours w/ commercials) the station has is great and they even did some of there own editing so that certain songs could air.



Most of Prince's officially released catalog is available on Tidal. (Shut up)

Tidal has a 30 day trial that you can cancel as soon as you sign up. It also accepts paypal, so getting a couple of months should be pretty easy.


This is everyone's chance to see why "Prince >>> MJ" is an irrefutable fact... For free!

Disclaimer: No one likes all of Prince's music. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who likes MOST of his music. That's why it's important to note that he has ~400 songs readily available (and that's just most of his studio stuff). You'll like something. But his music is like a box o' chocolates. In fact he has a song called Box O' Chocolates and it's awful to me (others love it though).

I recommend checking out rare tracks like the 26:00 min long jam session, War.

Also check out the albums One Nite Alone and Truth which feature him on the acoustic piano and acoustic guitar, respectively.

His most popular album is Purple Rain, but his most critically acclaimed album is Sign O' the Times.

Don't like his voice? Check out the all-instrumental offerings of N.E.W.S., C-Note, and Xpectation.

He wrote the greatest love song of all time:



He gave the greatest Super Bowl performance of all time:



He writes all of his lyrics.
He arranges and produces over 95% of his songs.
He's a multi-instrumentalist.
He's written and produced entire albums for lots of other acts.
He's adamantly opposed to letting any particular genre of music define him ("pop" or otherwise).

This is Prince crushing it (high on E) during the year of my birth:



Also check out the album he produced for The Voice contestant, Judith Hill:



Even MJ was a Prince fan. He named his son Prince. Look at how 'Bad'-ly Mike wanted the god to hit the stage with him and James Brown:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9L4ft7EGk


To those who say "but MJ could dance," well Prince wasn't too shabby himself: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FjBj0-KoT2Q


And finally, the stuff of legends. "No words needed." #HoF:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y


Prince > *
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He was definitely more prolific than MJ, but to say he's head and shoulders better is tough. In some respects I say Prince is better, but all time MJ is way more popular and had more of an impact. Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of both, but I listen to MJ's catalog more than I listen to the albums I have from Prince's catalog.
 
That's because Prince has a handful of great albums and a metric ****-ton of WTF.

Simply put, he's the greatest underground musician we'll ever know. He bucked the system a long time ago, yet he remains relevant. He was using the internet to officially released his music way back because he never felt he had a use for major labels. He was a brand who made the bulk of his money doing live shows around the world.

The caveat is that Prince stopped caring about chart success in the late 80s. Traditional music bores him in some ways. For example he never officially released a traditional funk album under his name, but he wrote and produced the entire first album for The Time. He even sang background vocals. But he didn't want anything that traditional under his name.

But he has so many gems it's crazy. You may only like 2 songs from each album, but that would still be at least 70 songs to jam to. And they sound like nothing else, not even like each other.

To me, MJ doesn't even come close, musically. I'd have to include the Jackson 5 catalog and even then it's not a fair fight. Of course it sounds like I'm selling MJ short, but I'm not. He left the world with undeniably great music. His performances were idiot savant level greatness.

BUT... Prince has 30+ studio albums of songs:
Written by him and no one else
Produced by him and no one else
Performed and arranged 90% by him.

Prince also is a guitar hero, which has made him a legendary performer in his own right. Live performances are his bread and butter. He also has about as many instrumental albums as MJ had solo albums, period.

I've obviously gone off on a tangent, but my point is, Prince is a musical genius that no one touching.
 
TupackShaker said:
Wait MJ didn't write his own songs? OMG first Drake now MJ I dont know what to believe in anymore.
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Pop stars usually don't.

Although there are videos of Michael Jackson's Billie Jean home demos where he does all the instruments (implying that he wrote the song and music).

At the same time, in Bad 25 documentary, the duet he had with that girl was written for him, and all he did was sing it.

I'm sure it's not an all or nothing thing and both Drake and MJ have written their own **** and also taken songs from others. Although in Drakes case, traditional hip hop ethos look down upon having rap verses written for you, and thus people don't like Drake being on a Sprite can next to Nas, Rakim and BIG if he's getting verses written for him.
 
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I don't think that's why people don't want him on that can b. But Yea I always liked prince>mj
 
R Kelly wrote for MJ on a few tracks. MJ is MJ and no one will ever come close. Not saying you can't like other artists more but no one has ever done what MJ did. We don't always have to compare two legends.
 
Willchamberlain said:
I don't think that's why people don't want him on that can b. But Yea I always liked prince>mj
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I mean they coulda put Kendrick or Cole but they tryna sell some soda dawg. :lol:.

Low key they need to hit Future with an endorsement for all that damn free marketing.
 
They shouldve kept the NY legend theme
 
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I swear if I heard the thought it was a drought instrumental in a sprite commercial I'd buy all the inventory at all the local spots.
 
Willchamberlain said:
I swear if I heard the thought it was a drought instrumental in a sprite commercial I'd buy all the inventory at all the local spots.
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Bro they would be printing money if they came out with all purple cans (with the only text being a huge "DS") with different flavors to use as mixes for the pour up.
 
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Here is a track originally written and performed by Alice Smith:



Prince said it became one of his favorite songs so he decided to do a cover with his own interpretation:
 
TraSoul82 said:
That's because Prince has a handful of great albums and a metric ****-ton of WTF.

Simply put, he's the greatest underground musician we'll ever know. He bucked the system a long time ago, yet he remains relevant. He was using the internet to officially released his music way back because he never felt he had a use for major labels. He was a brand who made the bulk of his money doing live shows around the world.

The caveat is that Prince stopped caring about chart success in the late 80s. Traditional music bores him in some ways. For example he never officially released a traditional funk album under his name, but he wrote and produced the entire first album for The Time. He even sang background vocals. But he didn't want anything that traditional under his name.

But he has so many gems it's crazy. You may only like 2 songs from each album, but that would still be at least 70 songs to jam to. And they sound like nothing else, not even like each other.

To me, MJ doesn't even come close, musically. I'd have to include the Jackson 5 catalog and even then it's not a fair fight. Of course it sounds like I'm selling MJ short, but I'm not. He left the world with undeniably great music. His performances were idiot savant level greatness.

BUT... Prince has 30+ studio albums of songs:
Written by him and no one else
Produced by him and no one else
Performed and arranged 90% by him.

Prince also is a guitar hero, which has made him a legendary performer in his own right. Live performances are his bread and butter. He also has about as many instrumental albums as MJ had solo albums, period.

I've obviously gone off on a tangent, but my point is, Prince is a musical genius that no one touching.
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Great post. :pimp:

Prince has so many classic songs from his later albums that people don't even talk about cuz Prince kinda separated himself from the industry so they didn't get promoted. The Gold Experience got some fire on there. Emancipation (a 3 disc album) has some of his best songs.
 
Prince is amazing, and definitely deserves recognition for greatest musician of all time. I recently saw him live in DC at a really intimate venue - spectacular, yes.
 
Maximus Meridius said:
TraSoul82 said:
That's because Prince has a handful of great albums and a metric ****-ton of WTF.

Simply put, he's the greatest underground musician we'll ever know. He bucked the system a long time ago, yet he remains relevant. He was using the internet to officially released his music way back because he never felt he had a use for major labels. He was a brand who made the bulk of his money doing live shows around the world.

The caveat is that Prince stopped caring about chart success in the late 80s. Traditional music bores him in some ways. For example he never officially released a traditional funk album under his name, but he wrote and produced the entire first album for The Time. He even sang background vocals. But he didn't want anything that traditional under his name.

But he has so many gems it's crazy. You may only like 2 songs from each album, but that would still be at least 70 songs to jam to. And they sound like nothing else, not even like each other.

To me, MJ doesn't even come close, musically. I'd have to include the Jackson 5 catalog and even then it's not a fair fight. Of course it sounds like I'm selling MJ short, but I'm not. He left the world with undeniably great music. His performances were idiot savant level greatness.

BUT... Prince has 30+ studio albums of songs:
Written by him and no one else
Produced by him and no one else
Performed and arranged 90% by him.

Prince also is a guitar hero, which has made him a legendary performer in his own right. Live performances are his bread and butter. He also has about as many instrumental albums as MJ had solo albums, period.

I've obviously gone off on a tangent, but my point is, Prince is a musical genius that no one touching.
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Great post. :pimp:

Prince has so many classic songs from his later albums that people don't even talk about cuz Prince kinda separated himself from the industry so they didn't get promoted. The Gold Experience got some fire on there. Emancipation (a 3 disc album) has some of his best songs.
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I've always said that if he had released Disc 2 of Emancipation on its own, it would have been one of his most potent releases.

The only song that had to grow on me was Holy River and while i still feel it's the weak point, i eventually stopped skipping it and came to respect it. He closed it out with some great guitar work.
 
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I see Prince vs. MJ as B.I.G vs Pac. I can't really compare the two and appreciate both, can't knock what any of em did and how influential they are the music to this day even though 3/4 are no longer w/ us. I couldn't see Prince performing "Smooth Criminal" just as much as I couldn't see MJ performing "Diamonds and Pearls"
 
I been flying this flag for a while on here. Prince was that dude.

Let's not forget some of his songwriting/production credits for other artists....

Song is FILTHY :lol:



Classic...





And in case you forgot....
 
Prince :pimp:

- big fan of his music. I don't fox with Tidal but I do have alot of his albums on my iTunes
- Dirty Mind is my personal Fav from him
- Prince had the baddest *******
- Prince wasn't a pedophile
- Purple Rain > Thriller
 
FLESH PRINCE said:
TupackShaker said:
Wait MJ didn't write his own songs? OMG first Drake now MJ I dont know what to believe in anymore.
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Pop stars usually don't.

Although there are videos of Michael Jackson's Billie Jean home demos where he does all the instruments (implying that he wrote the song and music).

At the same time, in Bad 25 documentary, the duet he had with that girl was written for him, and all he did was sing it.

I'm sure it's not an all or nothing thing and both Drake and MJ have written their own **** and also taken songs from others. Although in Drakes case, traditional hip hop ethos look down upon having rap verses written for you, and thus people don't like Drake being on a Sprite can next to Nas, Rakim and BIG if he's getting verses written for him.
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I definitely wouldn't knock Mike for not writing the majority of his songs. But what I will say is that much like "Elton John," "Michael Jackson" is more of a conglomerate than a solo act. Obviously, Mike's vocal ability and dancing were top notch, and his overall vision for his brand is not to be overlooked. But the fact remains that a most of the musical credit during Mike's peak goes to Quincy Jones (producer) and his team, as well as the songwriters (particularly Ron Temperton, who wrote Thriller). MJ's songwriting history is a bit muddled, as he would willingly take full credit for things he may have had the final say in but did little else to.

This is why i give Prince his credit. He just started working with a producer a few years ago to update his sound. He's 57 now. For 33 years on over 30 albums he controlled EVERYTHING, lost friends be damned. AND that's not including projects for The Time, Sheena Easton, Sheila E., Vanity 6, and others.

He obviously would be influenced by his fellow band members melodically, but he's a notorious control freak. He a true bandleader and he definitely wrote all of his lyrics to boot.
 
As a music entity, I don't think there's an argument to be made against your claims.

Vocals & performances, no, just no. There's only one G.O.A.T. and that's MJ. At his peak(s), there's no one who rivaled his live performances.


Regarding Thriller, like you said, it was a group effort to create that juggernaut, but its origin is all MJ (Starlight). I wouldn't say Prince is better because he wrote all his music. Great artists should be open to different minds taking their music to new levels as well. Perhaps his catalogue wouldn't be as muddled with mediocrity, as you say, if he surrendered some of that control.

I wanted to create a MJ love performances/favorite songs/appreciation thread.

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Mike's music is pop, dance, radio stuff. Prince made grown folks music. There's a few MJ songs that love but most of his music is just radio hits. Listen to Sign O The Times, Prince got songs about everything. Sex, relationships, life. His music is just way more mature to me. Mike was a great entertainer and performer but as far as music it ain't close to me.
 
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Super Producer J said:
As a music entity, I don't think there's an argument to be made against your claims.

Vocals & performances, no, just no. There's only one G.O.A.T. and that's MJ. At his peak(s), there's no one who rivaled his live performances.


Regarding Thriller, like you said, it was a group effort to create that juggernaut, but its origin is all MJ (Starlight). I wouldn't say Prince is better because he wrote all his music. Great artists should be open to different minds taking their music to new levels as well. Perhaps his catalogue wouldn't be as muddled with mediocrity, as you say, if he surrendered some of that control.

I wanted to create a MJ love performances/favorite songs/appreciation thread.

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I literally made it a specific point to give MJ his just due in those 2 areas. Not sure how you missed it.

As for Thriller starting with Mike, I wholeheartedly disagree. When he was on Motown, his sound was Motown. Then Mike went solo and released 2 poorly received albums. He had outgrown the sound. He then moved over to Epic, where Quincy Jones and his team would craft the monster steak that defined MJ's career. Then Quincy Jones saw the writing on the wall, and brought in Teddy Riley to update the sound and make MJ the king of new jack swing. Mike's sound followed the producer he worked with. Not to say he just sat back and awaited instruction. He was much more involved than say, a Whitney Houston.

As for Michael's huge stadium performances, that's cool. Prince could rock any venue of any size, and wouldn't have to utter a word. And see that's the thing... Prince can blow the roof off of a stadium, put his Axe away, grab his acoustic and serenade a private party by candlelight like it's nothing.

Prince's live performance reputation is certified, displayed by his ability to sell out London's O2 arena (20k seat capacity) for 21 shows in a row over the course of a month and a half. The man PERFORMS. I'll put it like this: Prince's album sales fell off in the early 90s, yet he's worth $300 million today. Think about that.

And just for trivia, did you know that MJ originally wanted the single, 'Bad', to be a duet with Prince?[/video][/video]
 
1. I didn't miss anything, I just wanted to reiterate what I thought was important.

2. When I said Thriller was an original MJ concept, I was referring specifically to the song itself, hence "Starlight" in parentheses.

3. I sure did know that Bad was intended to be a duet, but Prince declined.The song is very funky, so I could see why they wanted Prince on it, but I'm glad it's a solo joint. One of my favorite songs.
 
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