- 6,206
- 5,868
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2007
CLEVELAND CAVALIERS 2016 NBA CHAMPIONS THREAD
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by finallyfamous,
- Start date
- Status
kdawg
Staff member
- 10,517
- 11,572
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2003
That looked okay for a preseason game. Andy looking pretty good, Jefferson and Kaun decent pickups, and when we get our starting PG and PF back that will make a big difference.
kdawg
Staff member
- 10,517
- 11,572
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2003
Kaun's FT technique :x
kdawg
Staff member
- 10,517
- 11,572
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2003
- 30,498
- 5,958
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2011
As am I man. 13 days away!
Amazing commercial.
Happy about Andy. Looking like his old self a little bit.. and I know I know it's preseason but RJ is looking like he is gonna contribute this year more than Miller and Marion did combined.... which is going to be awesome.
Yeah I hope so too, but that might be here to stay.
NBATV NOW
replays throughout the night
JR micd up
JR is a damn clown... but so glad he is back.
- 30,498
- 5,958
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2011
In other news... the TT saga continutes. 
- 2,205
- 894
- Joined
- Jun 24, 2011
dude is getting on my nerves.
- 6,206
- 5,868
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2007
ugly as sin no doubt,huge late game liability, BUT.................... have y'all been watching this guy on BOTH ends of the court ??? i am blown away by how much he hustles, and like he said in a pre season interview he is very happy rebounding , setting screens , and distributing the ball, IMHO a PERFECT for this squad much like the way Mozgod fit in IMMEDIATELY. Andy has looked really really good , which is my fav part of this preseason personally, and Kauns prescnece only helps Andy in so so many ways, i now understand why Blatt is so jazzed about this cat, shold be alotta fun wathicn this all come together
k love supposed to get a lil burn tonight vs ind
2 more weeks, ya heard !
- 6,206
- 5,868
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2007
article on fearthesword today.... cavs take offer to TT off table ???? VERY INTERESTING short read
http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/10...-take-offer-to-tristan-thompson-off-the-table
http://www.fearthesword.com/2015/10...-take-offer-to-tristan-thompson-off-the-table
kdawg
Staff member
- 10,517
- 11,572
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2003
Definitely - I like him. He was a great pickup.
I totally see why they aren't desperate to sign TT too - with the big men on the floor he's not looking vital right now. Definitely not for max money.
- 6,206
- 5,868
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2007
i keep reading here and there that the Cavs will be fine in the reg season without TT, but cannot win the title without him. i don't understand that at all. i know he brongs alot to the table but like kdawg said not worht max money, i think we all agree on that.
any idea why a writer would say no title without TT ???? its never explained,just stated
continuity ? familiarity ?
other than off boards, i see no problem, i aint no hubie brown though so ........
I LOVE Blatt for sittin Bron these last few pre seas games fwiw, the man is a visionary
13 more days
any idea why a writer would say no title without TT ???? its never explained,just stated
continuity ? familiarity ?
other than off boards, i see no problem, i aint no hubie brown though so ........
I LOVE Blatt for sittin Bron these last few pre seas games fwiw, the man is a visionary
13 more days
- 6,206
- 5,868
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2007
fivethirtyeight by neil paine
After losing the NBA Finals in June, the Cleveland Cavaliers had to quickly turn their attention away from the court and toward their bank account. LeBron James was a free agent! (He re-signed with Cleveland for two years and $47 million.) Ditto Kevin Love! (He re-upped for five years and $110 million.) Not to mention Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith, James Jones and finals folk hero Matthew Dellavedova, all of whom were brought back by the Cavs over the summer.
But amid all the returnees was a glaring absence: power forward Tristan Thompson.
Thompson, who made a name for himself during the Cavs’ playoff run with a solid performance in place of the injured Love, has turned down Cleveland’s contract offers all year long. He reportedly declined a four-year, $52 million extension in January and an offer of five years and $80 million this summer, supposedly because he wanted the league maximum of five years and $94 million. (He would later reportedly request — and be denied — a three-year, $53 million deal.) And despite threats that he’d accept Cleveland’s one-year qualifying offer of $6.8 million in order to become an unrestricted free agent next summer, Thompson eventually turned that down, too. Now Thompson is officially holding out, refusing to play until he gets a new contract.1
You can appreciate Thompson’s dilemma. He became a free agent the summer before huge increases will reshape the NBA’s salary cap and maximum salary, thanks to the league’s gargantuan new TV contract. If Thompson takes the Cavs’ offers now, he’ll potentially be leaving a lot of money on the table, compared with what his peers will make starting next year. His holdout is the last resort in an attempt to inject what little leverage he can into his current situation.
But all this talk kind of ignores the elephant in the room when it comes to Thompson: He isn’t all that good. Or at least, that’s the opinion of CARMELO, our new player-projection system.
CARMELO looks at a player’s closest historical comparables to get a sense of how he will develop going forward, and it doesn’t see Thompson being anything more than an average player over the next few years.
For instance, Thompson’s wins above replacement (WAR) projection over the next five years (9.1 WAR) ranks 114th among NBA players for whom we have a projection. At the league’s going rate per win (which adjusts for the coming salary-cap spike), that amount of WAR is worth a mere $36.1 million, a far (far!) cry from the $80 million that Cleveland offered — and Thompson rejected — for the same span of seasons. CARMELO also thinks Thompson’s next three years will be worth only $23.4 million, less than half of the $53 million he was seeking for the same term.
With practically no leverage, Thompson will probably return to the Cavs sooner rather than later, and at a lower price than he’d previously been offered. But according to CARMELO, any cost higher than about $7.5 million per season will be too much for his services. Thompson isn’t a bad player, but he is a deeply average one — and was never worth even half the maximum contract he was seeking this summer.
After losing the NBA Finals in June, the Cleveland Cavaliers had to quickly turn their attention away from the court and toward their bank account. LeBron James was a free agent! (He re-signed with Cleveland for two years and $47 million.) Ditto Kevin Love! (He re-upped for five years and $110 million.) Not to mention Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith, James Jones and finals folk hero Matthew Dellavedova, all of whom were brought back by the Cavs over the summer.
But amid all the returnees was a glaring absence: power forward Tristan Thompson.
Thompson, who made a name for himself during the Cavs’ playoff run with a solid performance in place of the injured Love, has turned down Cleveland’s contract offers all year long. He reportedly declined a four-year, $52 million extension in January and an offer of five years and $80 million this summer, supposedly because he wanted the league maximum of five years and $94 million. (He would later reportedly request — and be denied — a three-year, $53 million deal.) And despite threats that he’d accept Cleveland’s one-year qualifying offer of $6.8 million in order to become an unrestricted free agent next summer, Thompson eventually turned that down, too. Now Thompson is officially holding out, refusing to play until he gets a new contract.1
You can appreciate Thompson’s dilemma. He became a free agent the summer before huge increases will reshape the NBA’s salary cap and maximum salary, thanks to the league’s gargantuan new TV contract. If Thompson takes the Cavs’ offers now, he’ll potentially be leaving a lot of money on the table, compared with what his peers will make starting next year. His holdout is the last resort in an attempt to inject what little leverage he can into his current situation.
But all this talk kind of ignores the elephant in the room when it comes to Thompson: He isn’t all that good. Or at least, that’s the opinion of CARMELO, our new player-projection system.
CARMELO looks at a player’s closest historical comparables to get a sense of how he will develop going forward, and it doesn’t see Thompson being anything more than an average player over the next few years.
For instance, Thompson’s wins above replacement (WAR) projection over the next five years (9.1 WAR) ranks 114th among NBA players for whom we have a projection. At the league’s going rate per win (which adjusts for the coming salary-cap spike), that amount of WAR is worth a mere $36.1 million, a far (far!) cry from the $80 million that Cleveland offered — and Thompson rejected — for the same span of seasons. CARMELO also thinks Thompson’s next three years will be worth only $23.4 million, less than half of the $53 million he was seeking for the same term.
With practically no leverage, Thompson will probably return to the Cavs sooner rather than later, and at a lower price than he’d previously been offered. But according to CARMELO, any cost higher than about $7.5 million per season will be too much for his services. Thompson isn’t a bad player, but he is a deeply average one — and was never worth even half the maximum contract he was seeking this summer.
- 30,498
- 5,958
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2011
Cool article.. nice read.
TT losing all his fans
dudes getting booed first game he plays if that even happens at this point.
Who the hell wants to sign him with big $$ next year if he doesn't suit up?
Gonna lose a ton of money.
5 year 80M was more than enough.
Selfish prick man.
**** TT.
I'm done with him.
TT losing all his fans
dudes getting booed first game he plays if that even happens at this point.
Who the hell wants to sign him with big $$ next year if he doesn't suit up?
Gonna lose a ton of money.
5 year 80M was more than enough.
Selfish prick man.
**** TT.
I'm done with him.
- 6,206
- 5,868
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2007
i cannot and do not blame u or anyone else taking that stance at this point. the chance at a title not enticing enough to make it work ??? ouch
k love 'supposed' to suit up tonight vs toronto 6pm nba tv
9 more days
ouchk love 'supposed' to suit up tonight vs toronto 6pm nba tv
9 more days
Last edited:
- 30,498
- 5,958
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2011
LOVE BACK
- 30,498
- 5,958
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2011
AWESOME ARTICLE:
via BR:
Tristan Thompson overplayed his hand in free agency and lost.
Tristan Thompsons' contract negotiations with the Cleveland Cavaliers have turned into a three-month-long standoff that nobody saw coming.
Thompson hit restricted free agency this July, meaning the Cavs could match any offer he got, but, early into free agency, it was reported they were nearing an agreement on a five-year, $80 million contract.
However, time passed, and the deal was never announced, and nobody knew what happened.
It later came out that Thompson, after seeing the flurry of free-agency activity this summer, turned down the Cavs' offer and wanted a max contract worth $94 million. His agent, Rich Paul, who is also LeBron James' agent, threatened that Thompson would take a one-year, $6.8 million deal (known as the qualifying offer) to hit unrestricted free agency next summer if the Cavs didn't offer him a max.
Except Thompson never actually made good on that bet. The threat was supposed to pressure the Cavs into giving him the max, since they wouldn't have the money to find a replacement if he left next summer. Instead, the Cavs never caved to his demands.
Since then, it's been a downward spiral for Thompson, who's running out of options, most recently with Basketball Insider's Larry **** stating he heard that the Cavaliers took away the $80 million offer.
This comes after Thompson reportedly lowered his overall demand to a three-year, $53 million deal — worth $17 million per year. While that's only $1 million more per year than what the Cavs offered, the short-term nature of the contract takes away the Cavs long-term leverage, particularly if they wanted to trade Thompson. If the Cavs wanted to trade Thompson on that deal, they'd have a tough time getting assets from another team, since the other team would know Thompson's contract would be ending soon.
Thompson's ability to make good on his threat is also gone. On October 1, the deadline for Thompson to take the one-year qualifying offer passed. The Cavaliers could have extended it, but they chose not to, meaning that Thompson and the Cavs are left to negotiate a deal.
As **** said, if there were an offer sheet awaiting Thompson, he would have signed it by now. The Cavs have all of the leverage. If another team wants to make Thompson an offer — and there are only a handful with the cap space or ability to do so — the Cavs can match.
Thompson has little bargaining power since the Cavs can now offer him a lower deal, and he'll have nothing to fall back on. If Thompson wanted to just hold out the entire year, it wouldn't do him any good, because he'd remain a restricted free agent next summer.
The scenarios in which Thompson can come out a winner are few. If, somehow, another team clears the cap space to make Thompson an offer, they could consider a deal closer in yearly value to what Thompson is asking for since the Cavs pulled their $80 million off the table. In a more dramatic scenario, if Thompson held out the entire year, he might find more suitors willing to offer max money.
Next year the NBA's salary cap is set to explode because of a new TV deal, and with a lack of big-name free agents, teams will have money to spend, and Thompson would be one of the best big men available.
What seems more likely is that the Cavs will let Thompson get desperate (though the injury-riddled Cavs may feel the same as the season goes on) and force him into a lesser deal that's friendlier to their wallet.
Thompson was silly to demand a max contract in the first place. Whether his play warrants one is worth debating, but the $80 million deal the Cavs offered was similar in yearly value to what several other big men got in free agency this summer.
Unfortunately for Thompson, it is starting to look like he overplayed his hand and lost.
via BR:
Tristan Thompson overplayed his hand in free agency and lost.
Tristan Thompsons' contract negotiations with the Cleveland Cavaliers have turned into a three-month-long standoff that nobody saw coming.
Thompson hit restricted free agency this July, meaning the Cavs could match any offer he got, but, early into free agency, it was reported they were nearing an agreement on a five-year, $80 million contract.
However, time passed, and the deal was never announced, and nobody knew what happened.
It later came out that Thompson, after seeing the flurry of free-agency activity this summer, turned down the Cavs' offer and wanted a max contract worth $94 million. His agent, Rich Paul, who is also LeBron James' agent, threatened that Thompson would take a one-year, $6.8 million deal (known as the qualifying offer) to hit unrestricted free agency next summer if the Cavs didn't offer him a max.
Except Thompson never actually made good on that bet. The threat was supposed to pressure the Cavs into giving him the max, since they wouldn't have the money to find a replacement if he left next summer. Instead, the Cavs never caved to his demands.
Since then, it's been a downward spiral for Thompson, who's running out of options, most recently with Basketball Insider's Larry **** stating he heard that the Cavaliers took away the $80 million offer.
This comes after Thompson reportedly lowered his overall demand to a three-year, $53 million deal — worth $17 million per year. While that's only $1 million more per year than what the Cavs offered, the short-term nature of the contract takes away the Cavs long-term leverage, particularly if they wanted to trade Thompson. If the Cavs wanted to trade Thompson on that deal, they'd have a tough time getting assets from another team, since the other team would know Thompson's contract would be ending soon.
Thompson's ability to make good on his threat is also gone. On October 1, the deadline for Thompson to take the one-year qualifying offer passed. The Cavaliers could have extended it, but they chose not to, meaning that Thompson and the Cavs are left to negotiate a deal.
As **** said, if there were an offer sheet awaiting Thompson, he would have signed it by now. The Cavs have all of the leverage. If another team wants to make Thompson an offer — and there are only a handful with the cap space or ability to do so — the Cavs can match.
Thompson has little bargaining power since the Cavs can now offer him a lower deal, and he'll have nothing to fall back on. If Thompson wanted to just hold out the entire year, it wouldn't do him any good, because he'd remain a restricted free agent next summer.
The scenarios in which Thompson can come out a winner are few. If, somehow, another team clears the cap space to make Thompson an offer, they could consider a deal closer in yearly value to what Thompson is asking for since the Cavs pulled their $80 million off the table. In a more dramatic scenario, if Thompson held out the entire year, he might find more suitors willing to offer max money.
Next year the NBA's salary cap is set to explode because of a new TV deal, and with a lack of big-name free agents, teams will have money to spend, and Thompson would be one of the best big men available.
What seems more likely is that the Cavs will let Thompson get desperate (though the injury-riddled Cavs may feel the same as the season goes on) and force him into a lesser deal that's friendlier to their wallet.
Thompson was silly to demand a max contract in the first place. Whether his play warrants one is worth debating, but the $80 million deal the Cavs offered was similar in yearly value to what several other big men got in free agency this summer.
Unfortunately for Thompson, it is starting to look like he overplayed his hand and lost.
- 6,206
- 5,868
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2007
5 yr / 82 mill
earn it T !
from TT IG :
6 more days
earn it T !
from TT IG :
6 more days
Last edited:
- 2,205
- 894
- Joined
- Jun 24, 2011
He knew he wasn't going anywhere else anyway
- 30,498
- 5,958
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2011
Glad its finally over.
Not a fan of how he handled it at all but the past is the past.
Time to get to work.
LOVE the jerseys they unveiled today
CANT WAIT BABY.
Tuesday here we come!!!!
Not a fan of how he handled it at all but the past is the past.
Time to get to work.
LOVE the jerseys they unveiled today
CANT WAIT BABY.
Tuesday here we come!!!!
- 30,498
- 5,958
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2011
I agree.
kdawg
Staff member
- 10,517
- 11,572
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2003
$82m seems a lot right now - hopefully by the end of the contract it will be good value.
kdawg
Staff member
- 10,517
- 11,572
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2003
LOVE the jerseys they unveiled today
Two of them are good - not sure about the grey sleeved one.
- 3,969
- 533
- Joined
- Sep 19, 2001
Tristan Thompson is quite greedy and overrates himself. He acts likethe Cavs won a championship with him.
He was overall good in the post season, but he also messed up some important scoring chances.
Hope he doesn't slack off after signing that contract. Chris webber and shawn kemp sucked after they signed their big contracts.
He was overall good in the post season, but he also messed up some important scoring chances.
Hope he doesn't slack off after signing that contract. Chris webber and shawn kemp sucked after they signed their big contracts.
Last edited:
- 6,206
- 5,868
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2007
Synergy Sports Tech on Twitter: Tristan Thompson generated more resets via offensive rebounds than any player in the NBA last postseason by a significant margin.
all's well that ends well ........
all's well that ends well ........
- 30,498
- 5,958
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2011
at first I thought the jersey was black but it's navy.
- Status