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The Bulls had lost seven consecutive games in Portland entering Tuesday night, with their last victory coming during the season they accidentally tanked for Derrick Rose. That streak is now over. Five Bulls scored in double figures as Chicago outlasted the Trail Blazers 93-88 in a game that got too close for comfort at the end.

Portland tied the game with five minutes left behind some crafty shotmaking from guard C.J. McCollum, but Jimmy Butler's clutch free throwing shooting and a nice late stop by Joakim Noah kept the win intact. The Bulls are now 9-4, and 75% of the way through the Circus Trip with a 2-1 record to show for it thus far.

This was Derrick Rose's return to the lineup, and he played the type of uneven game we've come to expect. Rose found a nice rhythm with his midrange bank shot, but struggled at the rim and couldn't really get the offense into a consistent flow. He finished the game with 17 points on 7-of-20 shooting with six assists and four rebounds. Not the most efficient performance, but I thought his defense on Damian Lillard was encouraging (Lillard finished with 19 points on 4-of-22 shooting) and his speed is always good for a few easy buckets over the course of any given night. He also did a good job taking care of the ball.

Once again, Jimmy Butler was a monster. He led the Bulls with 22 points on 6-of-13 shooting, aided by 8-for-8 shooting from the foul line. He hit a halfcourt shot at the halftime buzzer and got into it with Mason Plumlee in the fourth. Don't mess with the Tomball cowboy:

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— Dane Carbaugh (@danecarbaugh) November 25, 2015

Some observations in bullet point form:


•Rose got some run with the second unit (Noah-Taj-Doug-Kirk) in the second and fourth and that seemed to get him going offensively. It could be a nice way of urging him to be more aggressive.
•Snell came into this game as a 43 percent three-point shooter, but was brutal today. He finished 1-for-6 from the field and 1-of-5 from three-point range, which included some wide open bricks.
•NOAH HIT A TORNADO JUMPER

"There is no exquisite beauty… without some strangeness in the proportion." pic.twitter.com/jDekmwLcI8
— Dane Carbaugh (@danecarbaugh) November 25, 2015
•Doug McDermott's defense tonight: potentially passable?
•I'm losing it with Pau. It's nothing new: he's so slow, he doesn't box out, he eats so many possessions that could be redistributed elsewhere. He ended the night with 12 points on 5-of-15 shooting.
•Taj and Noah each played with great energy. The combined for 17 points and 13 rebounds in 27 minutes.
•Kirk Hinrich played crunch-time minutes, and I couldn't even complain about it on Twitter because Snell was so bad and Doug was whatever. He finished with three points in 27 minutes, played some solid defense on Portland's guards and didn't hurt the team too much. We'll take it.

Let's end with some tweets:


Jimmy Butler is both the Bulls best player and enforcer. I love him.
— (D)Roses and Thorns (@DRosesAndThorns) November 25, 2015

Mirotic: Three made three-pointers, zero of which involved a pump fake.
— Sean Highkin (@highkin) November 25, 2015

I'm looking forward to Doug McDermott becoming the white Antawn Jamison.
— Nillz (@TheBullsShow) November 25, 2015

Really happy with how Hoiberg has mixed and matched lineups tonight.
— Jeff Feyerer (@jfey5) November 25, 2015

Krik at 2 sucks. But you can't run Snell out on O or McDermott on D. This is basically a City High song.
— #FreePortis (@MitchDontLie) November 25, 2015

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Jimmy Butler wants Mason Plumlee to pay his fine

PORTLAND— It wasn’t quite the confrontation in last spring’s playoffs between Taj Gibson and Matthew Dellavedova, but Jimmy Butler and Trailblazers center Mason Plumlee got themselves into a bit of a physical confrontation in the Bulls’ 93-88 win Tuesday.

Plumlee charged into Butler with his shoulder in the fourth quarter, and Butler retaliated by locking Plumlee’s legs, causing him to fall. The two locked heads but that was about it.

It’ll likely cost Butler $2,500 since he picked up a technical foul, and Plumlee was assessed a flagrant one, but Butler wasn’t pleased with Plumlee after the game.

“He thought he was playing football for a second there,” Butler said. “Almost had to let the Fort Greene Projects out of me, Brooklyn, you know what I’m saying?”

It was said tongue in cheek considering Gibson was a few feet over and Butler wanted to draw some laughs. Gibson is a Brooklyn native and grew up in the Fort Greene Projects while Butler grew up in Tomball, Texas.

“Taj is, though,” said Butler when reminded he wasn’t from New York. “Basketball, emotions, part of the game.”

It was no laughing matter when he said he would find a way to approach Plumlee about the fine money, jokingly suggesting he would have his agent email him at “Mr. Dukie@yahoo.com or something” and made a joke about Mike Dunleavy applauding Plumlee’s act.

Plumlee and Dunleavy are products of Duke University.

“Yeah, he cost me 2,500,” Butler said. “I’m not happy about that. Gonna ask him to pay me back and I’m not playing.”



PG13 will be ready for us after dropping a nasty 40+ & cj miles was over 30 too
post #302 of 1294
Here's an interesting article......

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When Michael Jordan retired following the Chicago Bulls’ sixth championship in 1998, the team underwent a roster-clearing process and subsequent rebuild under GM Jerry Krause. The post-Jordan Bulls were a disastrous dumpster fire over the next six seasons, compiling a 119-341 record. At the end of the 2003 season, Krause was allowed to resign, and Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf brought in John Paxson, a former player with no front office experience.

You could say the Bulls had some success in the first 12 years of the Paxson era. After a final bad year in which he purged the roster and reshaped it under his own vision, the Bulls have made the playoffs 10 of their last 11 seasons. During that span, they’ve averaged 46 wins per season and hit a high of 62 regular season victories in 2010-11.

But despite some success, the majority of Paxson’s reign has been marked by boneheaded mistakes, conflicts with coaches, and consistent failure to advance beyond the second round of the playoffs.

Chicago Bulls Tom Thibodeau

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The first coach who was hired under the Paxson regime was Scott Skiles, who was integral in helping instill defense and execution into the young Bulls squad in 2004-05. That team started 0-9 but finished 47-35 on the season. After three trips to the playoffs and one series victory, the Bulls and Skiles bitterly broke up on Christmas Eve in 2007.

The bad season allowed the Bulls to luck into the first pick in the draft that year, landing Derrick Rose. Paxson hired Vinny Del Negro, a brand-new head coach with zero experience on the bench, to lead a team filled with young talent and a 19-year-old point guard. After two mediocre seasons and an embarrassing incident in which Paxson physically assaulted Del Negro, the coach was fired. How was Paxson punished? He was promoted to VP of Basketball Operations, with Gar Forman taking his old job at GM.

Forman hired Tom Thibodeau, an intelligent tactician and workaholic, to lead the next era of Bulls basketball. The Bulls front office, in the mean time, cleared cap space in pursuit of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh. While the Miami Heat ended up with all three players, the Bulls were left with just Carlos Boozer and a handful of role players. Still, a combination of Thibodeau’s teachings and Rose’s MVP season got the Bulls to the Eastern Conference Finals against the Miami Heat before losing 4-1.

Chicago Bulls Derrick Rose

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That was the Bulls’ only trip to the Eastern Conference Finals in Paxson’s 12 years in charge. Rose’s knee injuries complicated matters, and the Bulls quickly fell further and further away from championship contention. The front office couldn’t maintain a quality relationship with their coach — again — and Thibodeau was fired last June after the Cleveland Cavaliers eliminated the Bulls from the playoffs.

In a full display of arrogance and lack of self-awareness, the Bulls hired Fred Hoiberg, their third consecutive rookie head coach, and brought back nearly the exact same roster from the season before. Paxson so strongly believed that Thibodeau was the only problem that he willingly placed all the pressure on his new coach to win with the same flawed roster.

But arrogance and a childish inability to get along with the men he hired to coach the team aren’t the only major blunders Paxson committed in his time with the franchise. Drafting LaMarcus Aldridge in 2007 and promptly trading him to Portland for Tyrus Thomas is one of the most egregious draft-day trades in modern NBA history.
Chicago Bulls Joakim Noah Jimmy Butler

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A lot of the drafting under Paxson’s watch has been good, with Bulls’ hires including Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich, Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Nikola Mirotic, and Jimmy Butler. But the Bulls have struggled to land a true star, whether it be via free agency, the draft, or the trade market.

The Los Angeles Lakers seemed willing to trade Kobe Bryant to the Bulls in 2007, but Paxson refused to part with Deng. The Bulls tried and failed repeatedly to land Pau Gasol. And it wasn’t until Butler broke out last year that the Bulls finally managed to pair a dynamic star with Rose, who was just a shell of his former self at that point.

On top of it all, some NBA insiders attribute drafting Butler more to Thibodeau than Paxson or Forman. Some have said that Thibodeau pushed the Bulls front office hard to draft Butler, and with the relationship still functioning well at that time, they listened to his pleas. But the next year Thibodeau again pleaded with the Bulls front office, this time to take Draymond Green with their late first-round selection. Instead, they took point guard Marquis Teague.
Chicago Bulls Head Coach Fred Hoiberg

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Low-balling Jimmy Butler, who requested just $12 million per season, only to see him break out and command a max contract the next summer. Claiming they’d match any offer on restricted free agent Omer Asik, only to let him walk away without any compensation. Trading a 23-year-old Tyson Chandler for J.R. Smith, and then releasing Smith. Trading Kyle Korver for nothing. The list of mistakes goes on forever for Paxson and Forman, who seem to completely avoid accountability under the fiercely loyal Reinsdorf.

So now it’s Hoiberg’s turn. He’ll likely get some input on roster construction going forward, but if he cannot lead the team on the court to a championship, he’ll eventually get the boot as well. They’ve gone 12 seasons with one trip to the Eastern Conference Finals, winning just one game. They’ve been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs six times, and they’ve won just five total playoff series.

You may wonder how many NBA executives can survive more than a decade with such mediocre production. But the question you should ask is, while they are more than willing to blame the team’s failure on the coaches they hire, why do John Paxson and Gar Forman continually escape accountability?

Statistics courtesy of NBA.com and Basketball-Reference.com.

Basically sharing the same sentiment a lot of us have.
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post #303 of 1294
Good win last night. Even though we let them back in it, the team showed heart and battled through for the W.

Hoiberg needs to give Portis more TIP.
Gotta raise Taj and Doug's stock to use a trades chips.
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post #304 of 1294
John Paxson
Gar Forman
Jerry reinsdorf

They may be the one blocking the Bulls from a championship
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John Paxson
Gar Forman
Jerry reinsdorf

They may be the one blocking the Bulls from a championship

Jerry reinsdorf needs to go. He's been too long the owner of the Bulls.
Scottie Pippen would be awesome. He was the heart of the 1990's Bulls. Despite he might be not a front office guy, at least giving it a try smile.gif
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Jerry reinsdorf needs to go. He's been too long the owner of the Bulls.
Scottie Pippen would be awesome. He was the heart of the 1990's Bulls. Despite he might be not a front office guy, at least giving it a try smile.gif

True that. 

post #307 of 1294

Some interesting stats so far this season for the Chicago Bulls.

 

Scoring 99.9 ppg = 16th in league

5.7 blocks per game = 10th 

6.8 Steals = 25th (Cleveland is last)

22.0 Assists = 12th

46.9 Rebounds = 3rd

14.2 Turnovers = 22nd

.758 Free throws % = 18th

16.8 Free throws attempt = 23rd

.377 3points % = 6th

8.5/22.5 Three points made/attempts

.428 FG %= 23rd

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Jerry reinsdorf needs to go. He's been too long the owner of the Bulls.

Scottie Pippen would be awesome. He was the heart of the 1990's Bulls. Despite he might be not a front office guy, at least giving it a try smile.gif
True that. 

WTF!?!?!?
Am I reading this right??
I never try to against any of my Bulls fam, as a matter of fact I'll try to jump in and agree or stand by whatever some of y'all might say, but you guys are either too young or really don't understand the mechanics behind the business of basketball.

Reinsdorf has zero incentives to sell the Bulls! None, zip, zilch, nada!
The Bulls have one of the longest standing streaks of home sell out games.
Aside from Atlanta the Bulls have the longest active streak of making it into the playoffs (10years). Beside the fact that Rose is a shell of himself his jersey still sells and so does Jimmy's now.
Reinsdorf merely cuts the checks. I'm sure he's a cheap, frugal bastard who doesn't want to pay the lux, but he still pays the players.

The article I posted really points out all the blunders Pax and Gar have made. Even then they've managed to do a good enough job to keep us relevant and somewhat successful. While I may not like Reinsdorf as an owner (at least he's not Sterling), his loyalty to his GM's really may hinder us from ever getting over the hump. Pax and Gar have showed they're inability to sign top free agents or make a dramatic blockbuster trade.

My biggest peeve about the whole situation is that we will be stuck in limbo. Meaning we will be good enough to make the playoffs in the East, but not good enough to win it all. It just kinda of sucks, cause I feel like the window is closing and then it will be a rebuild all over again.

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post #309 of 1294

:{ The effort tonight

They better bring it against the spurs 

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post #310 of 1294
Rose shooting 4 of 16...what is he trying to achieve? To top Kobe?
If he says his double vision is still there he should not take so many shots and let others shoot.
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Rose shooting 4 of 16...what is he trying to achieve? To top Kobe?
If he says his double vision is still there he should not take so many shots and let others shoot.


I think he is mostly missing shots he normally makes, pretty good shots minus the 3s. Just need him to stay confident. And quit the jump passes

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post #312 of 1294
Good win by the bulls!

Spurs scored only 89 points
post #313 of 1294
Solid win against a quality opponent.
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http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-dunleavy-suffers-setback-injury-will-see-specialists-week

Talks of MDJ perhaps needing another surgery mean.gif

Sheesh. 

 

 

Get well soon MDJ

 

May need a solid wing player or someone on our wing team needs to step it up this season. 

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http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-dunleavy-suffers-setback-injury-will-see-specialists-week

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was gonna post that... I think fam may be done nbs

doug & tony REALLY need to fill these shoes
post #317 of 1294
Needed this win. Good game bullies

2 game winning streak
post #318 of 1294
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i need them to punch the hornets in the mouth again....
post #319 of 1294
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Yeah, even though we beat them last time I wasn't fully satisfied.
Those cats embarrassed us the previous time. We need a big game from Rose he's due.
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Even though we haven't played to the best of our abilities this season, we are first in the east. :smokin Hopefully D. Rose can get it going soon. :hat Get well soon Dun

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post #321 of 1294
Can't believe they lost to Charlotte, again!
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The night Bobby Portis was drafted he knew playing time would be at a premium in his rookie season.

Portis, the second team All-American his sophomore year at Arkansas, slipped to No. 22 at draft night, with the Bulls scooping up the best player available expected by many to be taken in the lottery.

The Bulls had a need at point guard behind Derrick Rose and could have added a wing to complement Tony Snell and Doug McDermott, but instead they drafted with an eye toward the future and added to their already loaded frontcourt, perhaps the deepest in the league.

There was optimism that Portis was ready for the big stage when he averaged 14.5 points and 8.7 rebounds in the Las Vegas Summer League, and he performed well in seven preseason games, averaging 11.1 points and 9.1 rebounds.

But the regular season was a different story. Portis has appeared in just three games, totaling 22 minutes. The Bulls' frontcourt quartet of Pau Gasol, Nikola Mirotic, Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson have combined to miss just one game, with Noah sitting out a game in Philadelphia last month.

"Once I got drafted I kind of knew. It’s not that hard to tell," Portis said of his expected playing time. "They’ve been here longer than I have and obviously I’m a rookie so I have to play to my role and my role is to be a positive guy on the bench and cheer for my teammates and be the best teammate possible.

"My role is not to play right now. I’m cool with waiting on my turn and once my turn comes then I’ll be the Bobby Portis I’ve always been."

He made his NBA debut in the Bulls' blowout loss to the Hornets in November, scoring 10 points on 5-for-7 shooting in the fourth quarter. When Noah sat out in Philadelphia, Portis saw his first first-half action, scoring two points in 10 minutes.

And though his playing time has been minuscule, head coach Fred Hoiberg has constantly applauded Portis' work ethic and attitude, where he "pushes the heck out of our guys in practice."

"He’s a great attitude, great spirit, he’s doing all the things that he has to do to keep himself ready for when that time comes that his name is called," Hoiberg added, "which again will happen sometime this season and most likely sometime soon."

Portis has admitted frustration at not playing a year after he averaged 29.9 minutes per game for the Razorbacks. But the same veterans playing ahead of him also have been the ones in his ear, telling him to be ready whenever his number is called.

"(Joakim Noah) and Taj (Gibson) always tell me that their rookie years they were siting on the bench and something happened, someone got traded or injured and then they started playing," Portis said. "So they told me to stay ready because things happen in this league that are crazy and things can change easily."




Portis has filled the void of not playing by participating in 1-on-1 and 2-on-2 drills after practice against teammates. And while he'd like to be playing, with the Bulls' frontcourt playing well and the team sitting at 11-7, just a half game out of the top seed in the East, Portis is taking his role in stride.

"(Hoiberg) actually talked to me today, told me to stay ready. He likes the things that I’m doing," Portis said. I come here every day with a positive attitude. I don’t complain about me not playing. I just try to bring positive energy on the bench, in practice and even on the road. I just try to be myself.

"Like I’ve always said, it’s not about me right now. It’s about the team. I’m just trying to be the best teammate possible."
post #323 of 1294
I feel like this team has good pieces but arent a championship caliber team. I hope that one day the Bulls can learn from teams like the Spurs, Hawks, and most importantly the Warriors. We've been too conservative for too long. So i enjoy this team for what they are and dont expect much anymore.
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I feel like this team has good pieces but arent a championship caliber team. I hope that one day the Bulls can learn from teams like the Spurs, Hawks, and most importantly the Warriors. We've been too conservative for too long. So i enjoy this team for what they are and dont expect much anymore.

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This team is so garbage. The only reason we have winning record is because we're in the East. It's such a chore watching these guys. No one remotely shows passion or seems to ever build on their performances. No consistency.


I got a lot of heat for defending the FO and rightfully so. But I can see where this team is going. Fire whoever needs to be fired. This team is a joke.
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Mehh, doesn't surprise me that they blew their lead! mean.gif
post #327 of 1294
I was paying attention on Bleacher report on the Bulls stream... everything looked great, but as usual, I questioned the lead.

Bam, 40 point 4th quarter by the suns and yep. Of course, bad pass by mirotic and gasol. The end

What do I expect? Nothing anymore. Lol SAD!
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Speechless

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post #329 of 1294
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Identifying the problem?

That’s easy for the Bulls coaching staff and players.



Fixing it?



Therein lies the difficulty.

After the Bulls blew what was a 16-point lead heading into the fourth quarter in Monday night’s catastrophic meltdown, Pau Gasol had no problem calling out his teammates in the wake of the 103-101 loss to Phoenix.



“I wouldn’t say it’s X’s and O’s,’’ the veteran big man said. “It’s a mental thing. It’s a mindset thing. It’s a heart thing. It’s a chemistry thing. I think there are different factors at play here. Like I’ve said, we’ve got to understand what’s going on here. How bad to we want this?

“Because games like this and games like Charlotte, we can’t afford to lose. There’s a big difference between winning those games and losing them at the end of the season. We’re playing ourselves out of the playoffs right now. The Eastern Conference is too tight. It’s wide open, but we’ve got to go for it. We’re fighting for something, but we’ve got to change things up a bit.’’

Then Gasol was asked what changes need to be made.

“I have no idea,’’ Gasol said. “You have to come out and start playing like you want it more than anything else.’’

But it’s time to address the elephant in the room – or at least the pit-bull of a coach that used to spend 24/7 watching tape in the film room.

Through no fault of his own, Fred Hoiberg proudly insisted in his first press conference that he was inheriting a championship-caliber roster. The front office obviously felt it was a championship-caliber roster, making no real changes from last season except firing Tom Thibodeau.

Here’s what could have been the huge miscalculation by Gar/Pax, however. Thibodeau brought the best out of his players. He got Nate Robinson and D.J. Augustin paid, was the only coach that ever figured out the full potential of Luol Deng, put an MVP trophy above Derrick Rose’s fireplace, made Joakim Noah an All-Star, an MVP candidate and the Defensive Player of the Year, and developed Jimmy Butler into an All-Star.

Maybe, just maybe, Hoiberg actually inherited a team that was made better by a coach that pushed players to their highest potential.

On top of that, Hoiberg won’t admit it, but this is not exactly the ideal personnel for what he wants to do, especially on offense.

For as athletic as Derrick Rose is, he still doesn’t push the ball up the court with the relentlessness Hoiberg wants it pushed. The outside shooting is inconsistent, the ball still stops far too often on one side of the court, and on misses, the transition defense is still filled with miscommunication.

Considering all of that, Hoiberg has done a good job getting the Bulls off to an 11-7 start, but it’s time for the front office to start looking for personnel that will aid their new coach rather than force him to jam a square peg into a round hole.

That, however, would also mean that this front office would be admitting that their personal dislike for Thibodeau outweighed the importance for a title chase with this current core of players. Not an easy get, and fireable in some organizations.

Hoiberg can coach. As his philosophies are hammered in on a daily basis, things will get better. Until then, though, there will be nights like Phoenix and Charlotte with this group of players.

Nights where there will be more questions than answers.
post #330 of 1294
Remember when Drose said he wanted Bulls to go after Joe Johnson? JJ is a free agent next year.
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