RIP New York Hip-Hop? (Need Some Feedback)

Run These Jewels is dope, but some of El-P's beats are downright bland and even bad. I'm a big Killer Mike fan though so I attempt to overlook that.
 
Run These Jewels is dope, but some of El-P's beats are downright bland and even bad. I'm a big Killer Mike fan though so I attempt to overlook that.
I have always been a fan of El-P's production, Funcrusher Plus and the Cold Vein are masterpieces in my eyes. I am a fan of all of his solo projects and feel like RTJ is his best work to date. To each his own I guess.
 
I'm sayin'.......

"Bland" is not a word that comes to mind for any El-P production I can think of. Though I obviously don't know every beat he's done.
 
I kinda understand what Peep is saying bout El Ps production. It isnt bland but i dont like some of it. They dont sound like a hip hop beats sometimes

Also both RTJ albums shoulda just been Killer Mike rapping the whole time, i dont wanna hear El P rap lol. Same with Alchemist for that matter
 
Killer Mike is one of my all time favorites. I've bought every album except for the RTJ stuff. I can't stand El-P's beats. I think they're awful. I bought RAP Music and Killer was murdering it but those beats were hard to listen to.


Harry Fraud and French had a nice little NY sound. Makes me hate French even more for what he's become. I think Troy Ave has a nice NY sound, think that's why I listen to him. Some nice NY anthems and he's trying without sounding like Future, Migos or Drake. He's got my support for that.
 
NY needs talent and a memory.

Remember in 1998, the west coast for all intents and purposes was dead in the water. Kurupt solo was a disappointment. Daz as well. Mr Short Khop? If you even remember him, you get my drift. There was a lack of NEW talent, bad business had ruined Ruthless and Death Row along with untimely deaths.

Fast forward to 2005, when The Game's debut dropped the west had been nonexistent as far as new blood was concerned. How did Game make it? He was fortunate to be signed to Dr Dre but that's no guarantee of success or even seeing a release date it was his alignment with 50 Cent/G Unit that legitimized him. He also was affiliated with Dip Set the other dominant crew in NY at the time. He was on mixtape after mixtape, this is after getting on with JT in the Bay.

So if we seen the west die and be resurrected why the hell is it not happening here? There is no conspiracy against New York hip-hop, from the streets to the offices, they want a NY artist to win. There's been millions wasted in the past 10 years to do just that, the ELITE level of talent that once existed in NY is no more. Let me elaborate on this for a sec.

I was chillin, Listenin to some of my fav joints and videos, so I watched "The Return Of The Crooklyn Dodgers", an AMAZING record to this day, subject matter as relevant today as it was 20 years ago when it came out. I say that to say this, as talented as the 3 MCs on the record are, they were middle of the pack in 90s NY hip-hop. Either of the 3 is head and shoulders more talented than ANYone that has come out in the past 15 years in hip-hop. THAT is how much talent was coming out of NY at the time. That isn't happening now. There is no Jeru just playing the sidelines because there's a BIG, NaS, Prodigy or Raekwon dominating. There's no O.C. just being slept on while as good as anyone from anywhere. There's no Rapper who was hot 7 years, and about 2-3 rap generations ago coming out and damn near stealing the show on a crew record like Chubb Rock did.

Essentially Game did with the Documentary what BIG did with 'Life After Death', he laid a blueprint to how to recreate a sound and give it universal appeal. In comparison to the very west coast 'Doctors Advocate', Documentary sounds almost regionally ambiguous for about 70% of the album and that's why Game remains a fan favorite in NY to this day, he made their themes appealing to those that haven't necessarily been introduced to that style of living. 10 years later he can still have private viewings in NY, hit every radio station in the city and he has a relationship with damn near every major DJ on the coast.

To this day Game still pays homage to NY. He sampled BIG on his new album. You have Ross from Miami sample BIG on 'Mastermind'. Schoolboy Q has some very NY sounding tracks on his debut. Nipsey Hussle sampled Diplomats on 'Crenshaw'. They are using that blueprint that Game laid in 05 which is more or less a west coast incarnation of what 50 Cent did, so why can't it be replicated in NY? It's being done in other regions, look at Jay Electronica.

It's the lack of talent. Game isn't the most talented MC, but he loves the culture and gives a Hell of an effort and has an ear for beats. None of those I would describe as GOD given gifts, just an ability to tell a good idea from a bad one.

So instead of copying Mobb Deep, Wu or Boot Camp New NY hip-hop artist should be studying The Documentary, Life After Death and GRODT.

And come with a lil talent as well. The example has played out in front of us.

Games success opened the door for the YGs, Problem, Dom, All them Ns that make straight WEST coast music because he made the industry put a spotlight on the city. He's like the Moses of the west. And he's not supremely talented by any stretch. You mean to tell me NY cant produce a Game?

And lack of talent is the issue here? Y'all ain't lookin at the same NY I'm in.
 
NY needs talent and a memory.

Agreed, especially with the point about NY really open to find talent worth supporting. When guys as bad as Troy Ave and Uncle Murda were getting spins, we're at a point where even someone half-decent would blow up over here. People are saying some of these mainstream artists from other regions are trash, but I don't see anyone making music on the level of J Cole, Future, Game, Chance, Drake out here. Even some of the southern artists mixtape cuts are killing NYC material.

Everyone is a cookie cutter, no new sounds at all. Harry Fraud is dope, but there needs to be new producers as well just like how Heatmakers changed the game during the Dipset Era. There has to be one last great rap talent to come from here, there are too many people not to produce another star.
 
I swear to everything I turned this **** off under 5 seconds when he started rapping. I even skipped somewhere to the middle.

Nah b. I'd have to be high on something at a party for me to get by on that playing.

5 seconds is even enough to try and digest the music. "You hated before you played it". That's the problem with some people.

Personally, I give everything a real chance to try and see the appeal. I then decide if it's for me after actually trying to listen to it.
Nah, I have absolutely no energy to hate it or dude.

I tried to listen to dude rap and I couldn't. Why are so many ppl rapping in this inaudible sound now a days? Just trying to flow on the beat saying a whole lot of nothing?

I dunno man maybe you should posted something with a better beat as well. I had my volume up and everything I listened when it started and when he started rapping the hook or w/e I quickly stopped it, then skipped to the middle when he spitting his verse.

Sorry that **** don't sound good to me.
 
Nah, I have absolutely no energy to hate it or dude.

I tried to listen to dude rap and I couldn't. Why are so many ppl rapping in this inaudible sound now a days? Just trying to flow on the beat saying a whole lot of nothing?

I dunno man maybe you should posted something with a better beat as well. I had my volume up and everything I listened when it started and when he started rapping the hook or w/e I quickly stopped it, then skipped to the middle when he spitting his verse.

Sorry that **** don't sound good to me.

Idk man. That's just a really terrible way to try and listen to music.

Imagine me listening to Kendrick and asking why he's rapping fast and in different pitches. Or em etc etc...Then only listening to 5 seconds of the song and skipping to the middle :smh: :lol:. How would anything that's said in the song even get to you?

That's like watching the first scene in a movie. Stopping it, then skipping to the middle to try and make sense of it lol. For reference...the song I posted "My savages".....some of my favorite lyrics right after the intro are....

"Aye, this a letter for my dogs
How we let the money get between us?
How we let these bishes get between us?
How we let these ****** get between us?~
I got love for all my savages with itchy fingers
I got love but it ain’t like the love I got for India
She held me down when I was broke, I got her to infinity
My lil dog caught a murder, gone for infinity
Dumping ashes on your obituary, I know you feeling me
RIP my GrandDad Quick, he should have seen this sh*
20 thousand O’s of child support, I seen that sh*

On "Codeine Crazy"....the whole song he's saying real ****. My favorite verse is the last.



Verse 3:

"You thought I forgot about us?
I know you know I don't fold under pressure
I'm back on the road, I get low on the pedal
We live by the codes of the ghetto
I'm closing this out with my memo, I'm treating this sh*t like a demo
I'm putting my heart and my soul in the sh*t and some mo'
I'm in that Dolce Gabbana
I might go after Madonna, I get it cracking in the summer
Strapped in the lac and the Hummer
Fronted a pack to my partna
All this lingo got her panties to dropping
F the fame I'm sipping lean when I'm driving
All this cash and it ain't nowhere to hide it
I'm an addict and I can't even hide it
Don’t you panic panoramic companion
They was tryna' serve me at the arraignment
Never comment on it, never complaining
I'm taking everything that comes with these millions
I'm taking everything that comes with my children"

At the end of the day....maybe it's just not for you. Different strokes.
 
I still listen to Diplomatic Immunity to this day.
I was a bigger fan of G Unit, but Diplomats music aged much better.
 
I think Dip and G Unit's music aged well. I still listen to mad old G Unit mixtapes, they still sound good. I still play mad old Dipset but I play SDE and Confession of Fire more. Old 50 and G-Unit still sounds real good too. I don't think I'll ever get tired of either group.
 
Beg for Mercy didn't age as well as Diplomatic Immunity to me.

Dipset and Hot Boyz are my Wutang
 
I still flip **** when any song on Diplomatic Immunity comes on my shuffle. That music is gonna forever be timeless to me.
 
For real. I'm Ready and Dipset Anthem are still incredible. Heatmakerz should've had a longer run.
 
NY needs talent and a memory.

Remember in 1998, the west coast for all intents and purposes was dead in the water. Kurupt solo was a disappointment. Daz as well. Mr Short Khop? If you even remember him, you get my drift. There was a lack of NEW talent, bad business had ruined Ruthless and Death Row along with untimely deaths.
Are you basing your timeline on strictly mainstream rap? 1998 was a flourishing time for Underground Hip Hop, especially in Los Angeles. As a matter of fact, this was a time when the West Coast saw the emergence of some of their best artist. Living Legends were making their mark, Ras Kass was rising, Stones Throw was emerging and Project Blowed was the epicenter of skilled emcees in the entire Western Hemisphere. While I know you are clearly perceptive in mainstream artist and their time-line, you have clearly ignored the Underground in your recollection of history. You also seem to have no real grasp of Los Angeles and what was really going on here.
 
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Ras Kass debuted in 96. Same time as Xzibit.

Even in the terms of underground hip-hop (which I'm obviously not talking about when I mention Death Row and Ruthless) the east had Rawkus records, Stones Throw was not ****** with Rawkus in the least bit. Status or quality. Peanut Butter Wolf's project was revered but it was no Soundbombing, Lyricist Lounge 1, or Funcrusher.

I came up listening to Aceyleone more, but I had the Freestyle Fellowship album, I enjoyed Abstract Rude at one point when I was really into underground hip-hop.

That being said, I don't think underground has been the topic of discussion on either coast in this thread. And all those guys are around the same age be it Kururpt, Ras or the members of FF so it wasn't exactly a new generation.
 
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Ras Kass debuted in 96. Same time as Xzibit.

Even in the terms of underground hip-hop (which I'm obviously not talking about when I mention Death Row and Ruthless) the east had Rawkus records, Stones Throw was not ****** with Rawkus in the least bit. Status or quality. Peanut Butter Wolf's project was revered but it was no Soundbombing, Lyricist Lounge 1, or Funcrusher.

I don't think underground has been the topic of discussion on either coast in this thread.
I don't need a history lesson, like you; I have lived this and we are most likely the same age. Nowhere in my post did I say that the East Coast's Underground scene wasn't top notch either. 

The fact that you don't discuss Underground at all, but use the word Hip Hop in the thread title is very odd.
 
If I wanted to discuss "underground" I would've just added the prefix.
IMO leaving the underground out of the discussion is just odd to me. No matter the region, the Underground is the bedrock of this culture. I hope you're not taking what I'm saying the wrong way, nothing but respect for you my man.
 
It's ALL love bro.

For the first time in NT history Co Flow, Can O, Freestyle Fellowship mentioned on the same page as Future, GS9, Drake and the Milly Rock. :lol:

I'm STILL waiting for a new Self Scientific album.

The Self Science is still one of my fav albums. The 2nd joint was good, but it's hard to match their debut. "The Return" to me is one of the GREATEST hip-hop songs, and about 90% of hip-hop fans never heard it :smh: Krondon dropped a joint not too long ago that was pretty good.

LA had a hell of a good underground scene. I was one of maybe 3 dudes at my high school that was REALLY ****** with their scene. Used to be on Sandboxautomatic buying whatever I couldn't in stores. Everybody else was on Rawkus, who I ****** with heavy as well.

'The Unbound Project' changed my life. It had dope underground artists from both coast and Dante from Main Flow (Ohio whaddup). Aceyleyone song "Ms AmeriKKKa" is just as relevant today as it was back then. Along with Poor Righteous Teachers "Slaves In America". Just hearin the music and reading the book that came with it is what woke me UP. My inner revolutionary was born.
 
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