RIP New York Hip-Hop? (Need Some Feedback)

Kanye was good enough to be signed to a label that had Juelz Santana and Memph Bleek. Let's be serious.

Like Dame said, if it was wack put Cam on every song.

Kanye made "Through The Wire" in 03, you mean to tell me he was unsignable the year before? His production allowed Jay to recreate himself, you mean to tell me he wasn't good enuff just based on production alone? It's not like he writes the majority of his **** anyway.

The Diplomats splinter started 06/07.
Cam signed there 5 years before.
 
KingFoamNYC said:
Is it fair to say NYC is in a space where the south was in the early 90's ? Like we're gonna need our own No Limit, Ca$h Money, Rap A Lot, Hypnotize Minds, etc. to kick these mainstream doors down like they did ?
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That's actually a very good comparison
 
I think NY is where Cali was in the early to mid 2000s.

Before the mid 90s the south never really had a voice on a national level outside of maybe 3 or 4 acts.

NYs history is a lil different.

Instead of getting a No Limit or Cash Money which NYers are too lazy to create. Ns won't sell out the trunk, we're not gettin a grassroots label that takes over.

Best bet is we get someone like Game who can align with a TDE/GOOD Music out of region team with credibility that's winninn, scream his borough on about 80% of his songs and hope he gets help in a few years.
 
Trill Nimley said:
Kanye was good enough to be signed to a label that had Juelz Santana and Memph Bleek. Let's be serious.

Like Dame said, if it was wack put Cam on every song.

Kanye made "Through The Wire" in 03, you mean to tell me he was unsignable the year before? His production allowed Jay to recreate himself, you mean to tell me he wasn't good enuff just based on production alone? It's not like he writes the majority of his **** anyway.

The Diplomats splinter started 06/07.
Cam signed there 5 years before.
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Everyone says Kanye wasn't that good when he first started rapping. You will hear everyone from Just to Guru to Dame himself say it. They used to laugh when Kanye used to rap. After a while you dismiss him, because you are still looking at him as the producer.

He kept working on it and improving. That's how he got signed. You act like the Kanye from 2005 is the Kanye that first got with D Dot. Why didn't D Dot have him as a rapper?

And neither of those albums were commercially accessible enough to have Cam on a mainstream level.
 
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Kanye started rapping in the 90s. He didn't know ANY of those dudes when he first started. He was with NO ID and Com. And he had the Go Getterz.

"Hey Ma" and "Oh Boy" were in the top 5. Cam was one of maybe 4 or 5 artists in NY that was platinum at the time.
Jay. Ja. NaS.

He had a top 5 hit before Jay.

Jay didn't have his first top 5 until he did "Bonnie & Clyde" with Beyonce. That was his 7th album.
 
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Kanye could rap. They just didn't want to like, or relate to his subject matter. Not to mention, they put precedent of his production ability, above everything.

Just think, no one at Roc-A-Fella had relatable music, to Kanye. That's why he kicked the door in. Young Gunz, Beans, Freeway, Memphis Bleek, MOP, Dipset, Pedi Crack, Oschino & Sparks, all were street dudes.

They underestimated Kanye (otherthan Dame) now, look where most of those guys are.
 
numbah1grimey said:
Kanye could rap. They just didn't want to like, or relate to his subject matter. Not to mention, they put precedent of his production ability, above everything.

Just think, no one at Roc-A-Fella had relatable music, to Kanye. That's why he kicked the door in. Young Gunz, Beans, Freeway, Memphis Bleek, MOP, Dipset, Pedi Crack, Oschino & Sparks, all were street dudes.

They underestimated Kanye (otherthan Dame) now, look where most of those guys are.
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So Just Blaze or Young Guru didn't relate to Kanye :lol:
 
Magic1978 said:
So Just Blaze or Young Guru didn't relate to Kanye :lol:
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I don't think Just Blaze, hell even Bink! were trying to forge a rap career. And Guru was strictly engineering and overseeing stuff like that. If either tried to rap, I'm sure they would have got the same stiff-arm, Kanye initially got...
 
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numbah1grimey said:
I don't think Just Blaze, hell even Bink! were trying to forge a rap career. And Guru was strictly engineering and overseeing stuff like that. If either tried to rap, I'm they would have got the same stiff-arm, Kanye initially got...
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Just Blaze used to rap and wannabe a rapper. D Dot rapped, and put out music.

You're saying that people didn't know talent. When everyone knows Kanye kept working on being a rapper.

When you are first starting out, you're supposed to improve over time.

All of these producers are running in to Kanye, because of his producing, but you don't think No ID or D Dot know what good rapping sound like?

You don't think being around Jay, Beans, Chris and Bleek helped improve Kanye as a rapper? He was Graduation Kanye when he first got there?

If so, you must belong to stans on Kanyetothe
 
Bleek :lol:

I don't think he was around those guys foreal. FOREAL.

He was around Consequence. GLC. Rhymefest. And THAT makes you better because they'll write half your ****. And toured with Kweli. Not ROC artists.

Jay-Z was not standing by while Kanye honed his skills. He barely likes him now he just needs him more. Look at how he treated him on "Fade To Black" then he uses his song, chorus and bridge. His idea from "Encore" as well.

Kanye was making those guys better NOT the other way around. That's why not a single ROC artist got better from say 02/03. Except Kanye of course. The one guy who supposedly wasn't good enough.

It took long for Kanye to pop cause they didn't know how to market a pseudo conscious rapper with a designer backpack and a chain on. He didn't have a jersey on. This is the Nelly/Ja Rule goin into 50 Cent era. To say he was different from the norm would be an understatement.
 
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Magic1978 said:
Just Blaze used to rap and wannabe a rapper. D Dot rapped, and put out music.

You're saying that people didn't know talent. When everyone knows Kanye kept working on being a rapper.

When you are first starting out, you're supposed to improve over time.

All of these producers are running in to Kanye, because of his producing, but you don't think No ID or D Dot know what good rapping sound like?

You don't think being around Jay, Beans, Chris and Bleek helped improve Kanye as a rapper? He was Graduation Kanye when he first got there?

If so, you must belong to stans on Kanyetothe
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What? When did I say No ID did not believe in Kanye West, as a rapper? I was strictly talking about the Roc-a-fella camp. Don't put any words in my mouth. He had the best verse on "We Are The Champions", Freshman Adjustment verses were all dope. He rode out on every song.

What are you getting at? His verse on "Get By (remix)" was FIRE. That was 2002/2003...

You are not making sense. From what I've OBSERVED, read, or heard in songs over a decade worth of info, Dame was a fan of his, from the jump. His Chicago brethren showed him love. But the Roc? Moreso from an affiliation and lablemate perspective, but, I don't think they had much faith in his emceeing. That does not mean he couldn't rap, or write good songs, they just did not relate. Maybe a handful of guys related but, I don't think he got praised.
 
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When did Kanye sign to rocafella? Because get well soon dropped in 2002 and that's when the hype started building.
 
pretty tony said:
When did Kanye sign to rocafella? Because get well soon dropped in 2002 and that's when the hype started building.
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I think he signed in 1999 or 2000. Because of the "Truth" beat, and other production for Beanie Sigel. And production on "The Dynasty" album. Which came out in mid 2000.
 
He signed before the accident didn't he?

But he was just doing beats for them in the Dynasty era. And Hip Hop was managing him and Just.

He had on his chain in the "Izzo" video but the first time I heard him rap other that the "Never Change" hook was "Champions"
 
numbah1grimey said:
What? When did I say No ID did not believe in Kanye West, as a rapper? I was strictly talking about the Roc-a-fella camp. Don't put any words in my mouth. He had the best verse on "We Are The Champions", Freshman Adjustment verses were all dope. He rode out on every song.

What are you getting at? His verse on "Get By (remix)" was FIRE. That was 2002/2003...

You are not making sense. From what I've OBSERVED, read, or heard in songs over a decade worth of info, Dame was a fan of his, from the jump. His Chicago brethren showed him love. But the Roc? Moreso from an affiliation and lablemate perspective, but, I don't think they had much faith in his emceeing. That does not mean he couldn't rap, or write good songs, they just did not relate. Maybe a handful of guys related but, I don't think he got praised.
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I'm getting at, Kanye improved as a rapper. That's when people noticed him.

I make perfect sense.

All these people involved with Kanye were overlooking him for a reason. He also went outside of Rocafella to try and get a deal and was denied. It's not like Jay was the only one who turned him down.

Just like Jay-Z was overlooked for years, before he finally got a deal and released an album. It's the nature of the business. Sometimes you aren't ready, and other times the industry isn't ready for you.
 
Kanye was quite different than ANYthing on the mainstream level in 02-03. That is why it took long for him to get a situation as a lead artist. It wasn't for lack of skill. He was generating interest. If he lacked skill as you're saying I don't think he would've had the chance to get pump faked by Capital.
 
NT will really go pages arguing about nothing :lol:.

What is this discussion even about anymore bruh?
 
Trill Nimley said:
Well I made a point about Jay-Z having blood on his hands in the death of NY.

He's definitely a culprit.
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Not from NY but from the outside looking in, it seems that way.

According to Cam, as of whenever he did Breakfast Club (which was no earlier than 2013-2014), 40/40 DJ's STILL aren't allowed play Dipset records until this day.

That's scorned female behavior.
 
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Trill Nimley said:
Jay been a jealous coward.

You think he would ever do what Bun does for new southern artists or Snoop does for Cali?
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I would hope not. He's on a completely different caliber than they are. Why spread yourself thin?

Make your stamp mean something and place a premium on it. Don't just give it out just because.
 
Jay is my dude but if we're sticking to the subject, you can't deny that he has done absolutely nothing to continue the tradition of NYC hip hop. Unless it benefits him, of course.
 
pretty tony said:
I would hope not. He's on a completely different caliber than they are. Why spread yourself thin?

Make your stamp mean something and place a premium on it. Don't just give it out just because.
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Make your stamp MEAN something?
View media item 1753908The furthest he went to find an NY artist was the 3rd floor.

NaS too.

Diddy. Jay. NaS. And 50.

Blood on all their hands.
 
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