RIP New York Hip-Hop? (Need Some Feedback)

Meh.

NYers are too picky for their own good.

If you mad at Future being on every hook y'all shoulda supported Troy Ave.

Or hell, even that ashy lip ***** Tim Vocals.
 
Nah, there has to be SOMEbody better than Troy Ave up there :lol: :x
 
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I'm sure there is. The problem is that ****** are still relying on a label or a blog to tell them what's "hot".

Until people fully embrace the REAL indie artists (not fake independent like a lot of ppl) then we will continue this cycle.

You can hit soundcloud and find plenty of ****** from NYC that are making dope music but Lyor Cohen didn't tell you to listen to them so you won't.

New York will continue to be stuck waiting for the "next big thing" from a record company that could give a **** about anything else besides money.

See Bobby

Long story short. Ppl need to change the way they consume music. When the ppl stop relying on the machine...the better off artists and fans will be.
 
The funny thing about this thread is that the exact feelings from Ny'ers in this post is EXACTLY what is hindering NYC rap from coming back to the mainstream. Nobody is ever good enough, nobody could ever make a transition, nobody could ever experiment with their sounds etc etc.

This mindstate s the problem we don't want to support anyone who isn't the second coming of Jay-Z or NAS, those guys aint walking through them doors. there are several rappers in NYC that aren't making legendary music tho so we won't support them. Now if the argument is we want NYC rap to be back to the level we were on when we were on top (quality wise) then i see why this attitude exist. However if we are just talking about a presence in mainstream rap in general, then we can't have these strict specifications. The south has Millions of low level rappers who aren't good at all, but the city stands behind them simply because they puttin on for their hoods & city. Same with Cali & any other region.

Although these artist aren't technically good rappers cats are representatives of what's going on in the streets for better or worse. NYC is LOADED with young rappers talkin street **** they just aren't nice lyrically or are heavily influenced by popular rap of this time. In any other region cats are helping to grow that sound and link up, In NYC we bash everything.

Hence any kind of backlash about kiss having Future on his single.... Kiss has worked with damn near EVERY young ***** in the city with a buzz nobody got behind it. so when single time comes around you think he's gonna risk it by throwing on a cat he's worked with before & the city showed NO LOVE?
 
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Or his 50 year old, self proclaimed top 5 all time *** could learn how to write a hook.

NY is making awful music, we have to stop runnin from the fact collectively.

It isn't workin in NY and it most certainly isn't working anywhere else.

It's not NYers fault for not supporting homegrown GARBAGE. Even if we support imported trash.
 
tyisny said:
The funny thing about this thread is that the exact feelings from Ny'ers in this post is EXACTLY what is hindering NYC rap from coming back to the mainstream. Nobody is ever good enough, nobody could ever make a transition, nobody could ever experiment with their sounds etc etc.

This mindstate s the problem we don't want to support anyone who isn't the second coming of Jay-Z or NAS, those guys aint walking through them doors. there are several rappers in NYC that aren't making legendary music tho so we won't support them. Now if the argument is we want NYC rap to be back to the level we were on when we were on top (quality wise) then i see why this attitude exist. However if we are just talking about a presence in mainstream rap in general, then we can't have these strict specifications. The south has Millions of low level rappers who aren't good at all, but the city stands behind them simply because they puttin on for their hoods & city. Same with Cali & any other region.

Although these artist aren't technically good rappers cats are representatives of what's going on in the streets for better or worse. NYC is LOADED with young rappers talkin street **** they just aren't nice lyrically or are heavily influenced by popular rap of this time. In any other region cats are helping to grow that sound and link up, In NYC we bash everything.

Hence any kind of backlash about kiss having Future on his single.... Kiss has worked with damn near EVERY young ***** in the city with a buzz nobody got behind it. so when single time comes around you think he's gonna risk it by throwing on a cat he's worked with before & the city showed NO LOVE?
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That was a long form way of saying that NYC should start supporting its trash artists, having lowered expectations, settle for less, lower the standard of artistic expression just to get popping.
So you are suggesting NYC gets on the Southern I SH.
 
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Trill Nimley said:
NY is making awful music, we have to stop runnin from the fact collectively.

It isn't workin in NY and it most certainly isn't working anywhere else.

It's not NYers fault for not supporting homegrown GARBAGE. Even if we support imported trash.
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NY gets ******* on if they ride the south wave and they get ******* on if they try to make that old vintage NY sound. NY can't win right now with rap. It's not our time, gotta wait a couple more years.

South is responsible for putting out the worst rap I've ever heard over the last 3-4 years. They're making ****, I mean SH*T. A couple good albums and rappers still come out the south throughout the last couple years but overall, they're ruining rap.

West Coast is the only region making good rap music right now. The only good region and the West seemed like they were dead and could never come back from it back in like 05-10. They made it. NY will make it again, just not now.
 
tyisny said:
The funny thing about this thread is that the exact feelings from Ny'ers in this post is EXACTLY what is hindering NYC rap from coming back to the mainstream. Nobody is ever good enough, nobody could ever make a transition, nobody could ever experiment with their sounds etc etc.

This mindstate s the problem we don't want to support anyone who isn't the second coming of Jay-Z or NAS, those guys aint walking through them doors. there are several rappers in NYC that aren't making legendary music tho so we won't support them. Now if the argument is we want NYC rap to be back to the level we were on when we were on top (quality wise) then i see why this attitude exist. However if we are just talking about a presence in mainstream rap in general, then we can't have these strict specifications. The south has Millions of low level rappers who aren't good at all, but the city stands behind them simply because they puttin on for their hoods & city. Same with Cali & any other region.

Although these artist aren't technically good rappers cats are representatives of what's going on in the streets for better or worse. NYC is LOADED with young rappers talkin street **** they just aren't nice lyrically or are heavily influenced by popular rap of this time. In any other region cats are helping to grow that sound and link up, In NYC we bash everything.

Hence any kind of backlash about kiss having Future on his single.... Kiss has worked with damn near EVERY young ***** in the city with a buzz nobody got behind it. so when single time comes around you think he's gonna risk it by throwing on a cat he's worked with before & the city showed NO LOVE?
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This is why I don't mind that we don't have a presence. The majority of rappers that are in the mainstream from other regions are trash to me. You can count on one hand dudes who are making anything close to great music.

I don't want NY to follow suit with that. We got our dope rappers making great music the thing is they simply missed their chance to get put on like that. I'll listen to Torae before you see me out here propping up Troy Ave or Future.
 
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NYC will forever be the mecca. And if you're old enough to remember the 90's and early 2000s like me then you'll remember the good times. I don't think it really matters if NYC comes back. You have so much horrifying commercial music now and so many artists appropriating different styles that it just doesn't mean anything. It's got to be lame for the younger New Yorkers who love Hip Hop because they haven't seen NYC on top but I have and I'm good with it. If coming back means more dance numbers and weak lyrics, I don't want NYC to come back. I support some of these more recent NY artists like Joey Badass, Action Bronson, Meyhem Lauren, The Doppelgangaz, Bodega Bamz, Flatbush Zombies, Timeless Truth, BIC, World's Fair, Chris Rivers, Homeboy Sandman, etc. If the rest of the US or world isn't rocking with them, then that's not my problem.
 
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The fact that y'all think everybody is making trash music except for a few people is hilarious, and even if that were true it doesnt justify anything.

Every region has somebody making great music, you just need to look for it instead of letting mainstream music dictate whether or not you take them seriously or not.
 
The thread is about mainstream hip hop. Every state has talented rappers that we'll never hear or won't ever make it outside of their area.
 
MasagiPatron said:
NYC will forever be the mecca. And if you're old enough to remember the 90's and early 2000s like me then you'll remember the good times. I don't think it really matters if NYC comes back. You have so much horrifying commercial music now and so many artists appropriating different styles that it just doesn't mean anything. It's got to be lame for the younger New Yorkers who love Hip Hop because they haven't seen NYC on top but I have and I'm good with it. If coming back means more dance numbers and weak lyrics, I don't want NYC to come back. I support some of these more recent NY artists like Joey Badass, Action Bronson, Meyhem Lauren, The Doppelgangaz, Bodega Bamz, Flatbush Zombies, Timeless Truth, BIC, World's Fair, Chris Rivers, Homeboy Sandman, etc. If the rest of the US or world isn't rocking with them, then that's not my problem.
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SkurrtSkurrt29 said:
The fact that y'all think everybody is making trash music except for a few people is hilarious, and even if that were true it doesnt justify anything.

Every region has somebody making great music, you just need to look for it instead of letting mainstream music dictate whether or not you take them seriously or not.
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both of these
 
The fact that there's not 5 more guys in this city that can do what Fab has been doin since Soul Tape 1 just shows how bad things have gotten.
 
Trill Nimley said:
The fact that there's not 5 more guys in this city that can do what Fab has been doin since Soul Tape 1 just shows how bad things have gotten.
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and Fab isn't even all that great anymore, that Loso Way's 2 album was supposed to come out years ago.
 
Tha Flashy One said:
and Fab isn't even all that great anymore, that Loso Way's 2 album was supposed to come out years ago.
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Fab can still rap. In fact I've enjoyed some of his newer stuff more than anything I have from him that wasn't him on a Clue or Envy tape.
 
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Mixtape Fab is always money.


I wonder what Kiss's Top 5 album will sound like production wise.
 
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Hit or miss as usual.

And a bunch of "I'm in the hood like ________" lines.

Fab has been on a roll for 4 years but he's sorta flown under the radar. IMO Soul Tape 3 and Young OG Project is his BEST work to date. Sucks it came out so late that it didn't get any "best of" lists.

Fab is quietly holdin the crown in NY.
 
pretty tony said:
I'm sure there is. The problem is that ****** are still relying on a label or a blog to tell them what's "hot".

Until people fully embrace the REAL indie artists (not fake independent like a lot of ppl) then we will continue this cycle.

You can hit soundcloud and find plenty of ****** from NYC that are making dope music but Lyor Cohen didn't tell you to listen to them so you won't.

New York will continue to be stuck waiting for the "next big thing" from a record company that could give a **** about anything else besides money.

See Bobby

Long story short. Ppl need to change the way they consume music. When the ppl stop relying on the machine...the better off artists and fans will be.
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iLLscan said:
That was a long form way of saying that NYC should start supporting its trash artists, having lowered expectations, settle for less, lower the standard of artistic expression just to get popping.
So you are suggesting NYC gets on the Southern I SH.
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No in contrary i don't give a **** about being popular in mainstream music as long as NYC has a good music scene being grown regardless. However the initial point of OP Post was saying how important it is for NYC to have a presence in Mainstrem Hiphop (Which i believe we absolutely do). Outside of a good 10% of rap, those flourishing on the mainstream/ popular level are putting out cookie cutter, simpleton, im gonna do what works rap.

So in order for us to be accepted by mainstream and have several artist from our region "hot" the output coming from the city would have to be trash & that's the point i'm trying to make.

Cali is probably the One city We can compare too (despite them being like 3x our size), There Roster includes Kendrick, SchoolBoy, Soul, Jay Rock, Problem, Dom Kennnedy, Casey Veggies, Vince Staples, YG

How many of those artist not named Kendrick, YG, or Scholboy have really had much success in the mainstream?

and is the rest of that core really putting out music that is that far superior to the music dropping in the underground scene in NYC? And that's a serious question because i haven't listened to all of these artist in depth.

My entire point is that the talent gap btwn NYC rappers and rappers elsewhere isn't near what people are making it out to be.
 
I also agree that fab has been putting out quality music for the past couple of years, is always relevant in mainstream rap. However if u let social media & bloggers tell the story fab has been washed.

This is also another point of mind we are trying to gain respect in an era where respect is given to A LOT of lame ****. If something isn't as ignorant as possible & the sound of the time is downplayed as being old & unoriginal. I really think a new Genre has to be created for A lot of this content coming out.
 
Been saying the same thing about fab...He been quietly putting out great music for years now..people just get too caught up on albums and mainstream success...that soul tape 3 was amazing front to back..I remember styles P being on the breakfast club and basically saying that mixtape was pretty much a album and I totally agree. And fab didn't have to worry about making cookie cutter music for radio airwaves...Hope ft.kiss and lay you down ft Ryan Leslie..
 
I think perception is so skewed in this generation these days due to the internet, it's almost as if you aren't being discussed on the twitter TL or on the blogs, or being loved by the 16-25 crowd you are considered irrelevant or washed up. Cats these days have no scope beyond the Internet, hence why a guy that has been hot for 6 months is suppose to be the "hottest" out can only sell 50K and do small venue tours while these so called washed artist are doing world tours & doing better numbers with half of the hype.

perception vs reality is a real conflict these days.
 
tyisny said:
No in contrary i don't give a **** about being popular in mainstream music as long as NYC has a good music scene being grown regardless. However the initial point of OP Post was saying how important it is for NYC to have a presence in Mainstrem Hiphop (Which i believe we absolutely do). Outside of a good 10% of rap, those flourishing on the mainstream/ popular level are putting out cookie cutter, simpleton, im gonna do what works rap.

So in order for us to be accepted by mainstream and have several artist from our region "hot" the output coming from the city would have to be trash & that's the point i'm trying to make.

Cali is probably the One city We can compare too (despite them being like 3x our size), There Roster includes Kendrick, SchoolBoy, Soul, Jay Rock, Problem, Dom Kennnedy, Casey Veggies, Vince Staples, YG

How many of those artist not named Kendrick, YG, or Scholboy have really had much success in the mainstream?

and is the rest of that core really putting out music that is that far superior to the music dropping in the underground scene in NYC? And that's a serious question because i haven't listened to all of these artist in depth.

My entire point is that the talent gap btwn NYC rappers and rappers elsewhere isn't near what people are making it out to be.
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It absolutely isn't. But let these ****** tell it the people who are dominating mainstream are the second coming of big, Jay, Nas, and PAC. I mean some people on this board really believe Ross is better than big, DRAKE is better than Jay , and Kendrick is better than PAC :lol:
 
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