Shooting reported at Umpqua Community College in Oregon.....Another one :{

[dankenstien88]

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FORTY FIVE?! How is this real???

I think anyone capable of taking another human life is mentally ill and should be tossed in a lake of piranha. Trash.

Don't believe the hype. Those numbers account for every

• Incident where the shooter intended to commit mass murder

• Incident where the shooter himself was shot/killed

• Incidents related to criminal activity ie:

-Robbery

- Drug deal gone bad

-Personal altercation

- Use of a firearm in self defense


• Incidents unconnected to members of school community and/or that took place outside school hours

• Suicide

• Accidental discharge



College campuses are huge and school shootings are definitely a problem, but statistics like the one posted by AI from Huffpost are intentionally misleading. They use the term "School Shooting" to invoke imagery of mass murders and incidents where a student shoots up random people at school, but they take into account every time someone is shot on school grounds or college property.

 

[jjs07]

Dense? Because I don't think gun control is working in Chicago?
**** outta here clown.

You boys can keep harping on these incidents as if they represent the real gun violence problem in this country if you want.

So, are you for or against getting some of these guns off the street? I'm not sure of your stance.

There are two separate issue here...

Gun violence in the inner cities

and

Mass shootings at schools, businesses, and places of work.

 

[cashbanks]

I'm for not engaging you any further bye.

 

[jjs07]

Just to clarify. Gun violence is a huge umbrella that should be one in the same...but people have separated it into two issues.

 

[Comparison Ford]

Just to clarify. Gun violence is a huge umbrella that should be one in the same...but people have separated it into two issues.

Not all gun violence is created equal though.

The motives behind mass shootings and the motives behind handgun violence in inner cities are completely different.

 

[jjs07]

Just to clarify. Gun violence is a huge umbrella that should be one in the same...but people have separated it into two issues.

Not all gun violence is created equal though.

The motives behind mass shootings and the motives behind handgun violence in inner cities are completely different.

I get it...but to me, it seems like as long as parts of Chicago resemble Hamsterdam from The Wire, people really don't care. But that's another topic for another day.

 

[AEA18]

 

You could prevent their craziness not manifesting itself in the form of shooting sprees though by making it nearly impossible to obtain the tool that is necessary to carry out a shooting spree.

 There's no such thing as "nearly impossible" when talking about obtaining guns here. Maybe on paper. But if Joe Schmo wants to strap up in America, it ain't hard.

Pass a law that holds the seller of the gun accountable for the crime committed by the buyer.

People will be extremely cautious who they sell their guns to if they know that they will also be held accountable for the crime.

 

[mr marcus]

Here is the thread where the gun man posted. The posters were egging him on. WTF are wrong with people man?: https://archive.is/KJ1LD

exactly, its comical people want to blame the guns and not the demonic culture these mass shooters come from.

 

[dathbgboy]

There is a problem in society where people think they can only be noticed and recognized by doing terrible acts instead of doing their community a greater good. All these mass shooters only craved for attention and their selfish acts are contributing to this disease of irresponsibility and lack of good judgement, which has been perpetuated by the media. Just SMH all around.

How much do teachers make? How much did Zimmerman receive in donations? How much do the Kardashians make for doing practically nothing?

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FORTY FIVE?! How is this real???

I think anyone capable of taking another human life is mentally ill and should be tossed in a lake of piranha. Trash.

Don't believe the hype. Those numbers account for every

• Incident where the shooter intended to commit mass murder

• Incident where the shooter himself was shot/killed

• Incidents related to criminal activity ie:

-Robbery

- Drug deal gone bad

-Personal altercation

- Use of a firearm in self defense


• Incidents unconnected to members of school community and/or that took place outside school hours

• Suicide

• Accidental discharge



College campuses are huge and school shootings are definitely a problem, but statistics like the one posted by AI from Huffpost are intentionally misleading. They use the term "School Shooting" to invoke imagery of mass murders and incidents where a student shoots up random people at school, but they take into account every time someone is shot on school grounds or college property.

Exactly. It's always a numbers and context game w/ the government and media in order to push or denounce an agenda. They say "45th Shooting At A School" but the general person who reads that thinks "45 mass shootings at a school" putting that title w/ the recent events ties it together. U can run from the cops from the mall and get shot on school grounds=school shooting.

 

[cashbanks]

Pass a law that holds the seller of the gun accountable for the crime committed by the buyer.

People will be extremely cautious who they sell their guns to if they know that they will also be held accountable for the crime.

What about all the stolen guns?

Or is this yet another solution solely focused on mass shootings?

 

[getback]

Pass a law that holds the seller of the gun accountable for the crime committed by the buyer.

If you're talking about guns sold on the street illegally, I agree. If you're talking about lawful dealers, that's hard to enforce. Like are you going to hold someone accountable that followed all the standard protocols when he/she sold the gun?

For example, how you gonna hold a dealer accountable if someone he sold a rifle to 10 years ago goes and hills his wife?

 

[luckyluchiano]

Not all gun violence is created equal though.

The motives behind mass shootings and the motives behind handgun violence in inner cities are completely different.

Exactly not the same AT ALL. Inner city violence is social engineered where people are fighting over limited resources and those killings arent random mass shootings.

 

[tr1ll]

 

 

plus, the majority don't want to outright ban guns. stop making up a straw man argument.


what we want is some tighter controls.


likewise, we're not saying this will stop every act of violence. we're just trying to reduce the frequency of these shootings and the amount of destruction that happens each time.

illinois has some of the tightest restrictions...and we see how thats working.


Everybody isnt scared to break the law.

When is the last time that a middle class (or higher) community endured a mass shooting in Illinois ?

 

When is the last time that a middle class (or higher) community endured a mass shooting in Illinois ?

So to you that means it's working?

It helps. Better than nothing. From my post earlier, and the previous shootings thread (Missisippi Shootings):

Anyways, stricter gun control may help the mentally unstable folks from retrieving a gun, I believe it should be implemented, but that's just a band-aid fix.

A. You have to look at implementation of a universal health care system so that lower income and mentally unstable individuals are taken care of.

B. A better K-12 system needs to be implemented in public schools in low income neighborhoods. Thus, someone from that public school has the same chance as someone from a well of private school to succeed.

The higher the education rate, the higher the chances of success. More chances of success means less probability of resorting to crime. Less crime correlates to less need for guns and gun violence.

For universal health care, it is another less worry for low income households. The better upbringing of a child, the better the success rate. Again, less probability of resorting to crime, guns, and violence. The same can be said with mentally unstable folks, they can be taken care of early in life because of the easier access to universal health care. Overall, helping them to become a more productive and responsible member of society.

You say this as if there is no type of gun control now. Also, what does class have to do with gun control? Do you want to restrict guns from a certian "class" of people?

What about stolen guns and guns smuggled into the country?

Seems like some of yall think they only way to buy a gun is from a gun shop.

 

[luckyluchiano]

You say this as if there is no type of gun control now. Also, what does class have to do with gun control? Do you want to restrict guns from a certian "class" of people?

What about stolen guns and guns smuggled into the country?

Seems like some of yall think they only way to buy a gun is from a gun shop.

Exactly, its easy to give fluff solutions like "gun control" when you dont know a damn thing about guns lol, cats talking like there are not illegal arms smugglers and is if people will turn in all of the guns in this nation.

 

[Master Zik]

So this has turned in to a political religious thread revolving on Christians being attacked.

Eh, could've been a worse turnout for this thread.

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I grow so tired of repeating this exact sentiment in religious threads.

So many ignorant ppl out there that don't understand what atheism is.

 

[richiecotite]

I believe the people who were authorized with that task did stop the killer

An armed citizen out there pretending he's the Punisher just adds to the mayhem

Except for the numerous examples of armed civilians stopping threats with legally acquired and lawfully carried guns....



http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesth...-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit#.dxBQbPZMaA

 

[sea manup]

You say this as if there is no type of gun control now. Also, what does class have to do with gun control? Do you want to restrict guns from a certian "class" of people?

What about stolen guns and guns smuggled into the country?

Seems like some of yall think they only way to buy a gun is from a gun shop.

Exactly, its easy to give fluff solutions like "gun control" when you dont know a damn thing about guns lol, cats talking like there are not illegal arms smugglers and is if people will turn in all of the guns in this nation.

No one expects any law to fully prevent all aspects of the problem. The point is to make it harder for those trying to obtain guns. Even if only a few people turn in their guns that's still an improvement and better than doing nothing

With this logic, why would anyone donate to a charity? It's not like the charity will solve all the worlds problems. It's better off doing nothing

 

[hybridsoldier23]

So this has turned in to a political religious thread revolving on Christians being attacked.

Eh, could've been a worse turnout for this thread.

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I grow so tired of repeating this exact sentiment in religious threads.

So many ignorant ppl out there that don't understand what atheism is.

All of this.

 

[tr1ll]

You say this as if there is no type of gun control now. Also, what does class have to do with gun control? Do you want to restrict guns from a certian "class" of people?

What about stolen guns and guns smuggled into the country?

Seems like some of yall think they only way to buy a gun is from a gun shop.

Exactly, its easy to give fluff solutions like "gun control" when you dont know a damn thing about guns lol, cats talking like there are not illegal arms smugglers and is if people will turn in all of the guns in this nation.

No one expects any law to fully prevent all aspects of the problem. The point is to make it harder for those trying to obtain guns. Even if only a few people turn in their guns that's still an improvement and better than doing nothing

With this logic, why would anyone donate to a charity? It's not like the charity will solve all the worlds problems. It's better off doing nothing

We're saying laws don't really do that. I mean there are already laws and restriction in place, yet we're having this conversation.

Marijuana is illegal. I smoke every ***** ******* day. The laws haven't slowed me down a bit.

If you wake up one day and feel you want to shoot someone, clearly, you dont give a damn about a law.

I feel like banning/adding restriction is the easy-no thought answer. Its not as simple as banning or adding restriction.

 

[luckyluchiano]

No one expects any law to fully prevent all aspects of the problem. The point is to make it harder for those trying to obtain guns. Even if only a few people turn in their guns that's still an improvement and better than doing nothing

With this logic, why would anyone donate to a charity? It's not like the charity will solve all the worlds problems. It's better off doing nothing

i`ll never donate to a charity so there goes that logic.

 

[RustyShackleford]

No one expects any law to fully prevent all aspects of the problem. The point is to make it harder for those trying to obtain guns. Even if only a few people turn in their guns that's still an improvement and better than doing nothing

With this logic, why would anyone donate to a charity? It's not like the charity will solve all the worlds problems. It's better off doing nothing

i`ll never donate to a charity so there goes that logic.

 

[AZwildcats]

I agree with some of the sentiments in here. You don't see the media coverage when people get shot in the inner cities, but when something like the community college shooting happen now all of a sudden America has a violence problem.

 

[sea manup]

I agree with some of the sentiments in here. You don't see the media coverage when people get shot in the inner cities, but when something like the community college shooting happen now all of a sudden America has a violence problem.

Cue joker speech to Harvey dent

 

[luckyluchiano]

I agree with some of the sentiments in here. You don't see the media coverage when people get shot in the inner cities, but when something like the community college shooting happen now all of a sudden America has a violence problem.

Inner City Violence is at all time lows across the nation which is why you only see mention of Chicago as if it represents every inner city in the nation, because its literally the only place on some Wild Wild west steeze and even then its limited to a few neighborhoods in the City. But hell when they do show inner city crime it is reduced to Black on Black crime or something dumb like that, nobody is acknowledging the Conditions of these areas that spark this kind of activity ON TOP OF the whole Color on Color crime is an idiotic argument as people commit crime to those they are next to so to say Black on Black crime would imply people are killing each other because they are black which is false.

 

[luckyluchiano]

whats funny about that? majority of Charities are fronts to evade taxes. And even then most are about putting band aids on issues opposed to creating infrastructure so there is no need for the charities.