Shooting reported at Umpqua Community College in Oregon.....Another one :{

[sea manup]

No one expects any law to fully prevent all aspects of the problem. The point is to make it harder for those trying to obtain guns. Even if only a few people turn in their guns that's still an improvement and better than doing nothing

With this logic, why would anyone donate to a charity? It's not like the charity will solve all the worlds problems. It's better off doing nothing

i`ll never donate to a charity so there goes that logic.

Why don't you donate to charities?

 

[RustyShackleford]

whats funny about that? majority of Charities are fronts to evade taxes. And even then most are about putting band aids on issues opposed to creating infrastructure so there is no need for the charities.

So there is no need for someone like the Equal Justice Initiative, or animal shelters, or food banks, or boys and girls clubs, or Operation Simile? I'm sorry but I find that assertion kinda ridiculous

There are plenty of charities doing good work and are worth supporting. You just to be using a the negative examples to label the entire group

And what's wrong with being charitable and working for change at the same time too? I don't see how one takes away for the other.

-But I was laughing because I remembered how Fontaine shaded you a while back, and your comment kinda seemed to be proving his point. But since you said it is for another reason, I'll take your word for it

-I'm not trying to start a back and forth argument with you too. So please don't go all attack mode

 

[luckyluchiano]

So there is no need for someone like the Equal Justice Initiative, or animal shelters, or food banks, or boys and girls clubs, or Operation Simile? I'm sorry but I find that assertion kinda ridiculous

There are plenty of charities doing good work and are worth supporting. You just to be using a the negative examples to label the entire group

And what's wrong with being charitable and working for change at the same time too? I don't see how one takes away for the other.

-But I was laughing because I remembered how Fontaine shaded you a while back, and your comment kinda seemed to be proving his point. But since you said it is for another reason, I'll take your word for it

-I'm not trying to start a back and forth argument with you too. So please don't go all attack mode

shaded me like how?

Once again, I`m about creating solutions/infrastructure to destroy the problems in whole, not giving money to organizations with vague mission statements, and financial statements that show only 10% or less of donations go to the actual causes. If a group has a plan/project to create infrastructure and or something to yield tangible results I`m all for it.
You are free to do with your money as you please though.

 

[RustyShackleford]

So there is no need for someone like the Equal Justice Initiative, or animal shelters, or food banks, or boys and girls clubs, or Operation Simile? I'm sorry but I find that assertion kinda ridiculous

There are plenty of charities doing good work and are worth supporting. You just to be using a the negative examples to label the entire group

And what's wrong with being charitable and working for change at the same time too? I don't see how one takes away for the other.

-But I was laughing because I remembered how Fontaine shaded you a while back, and your comment kinda seemed to be proving his point. But since you said it is for another reason, I'll take your word for it

-I'm not trying to start a back and forth argument with you too. So please don't go all attack mode

shaded me like how?

Once again, I`m about creating solutions/infrastructure to destroy the problems in whole, not giving money to organizations with vague mission statements, and financial statements that show only 10% or less of donations go to the actual causes. If a group has a plan/project to create infrastructure and or something to yield tangible results I`m all for it.
You are free to do with your money as you please though.

K

 

[abubakr shaheed]

isn't the logical next step to make gun laws much more strict? Extremely harsh penalties for anyone holding, selling or dealing in any way with an unregistered firearm?

I wonder how much emphasis is put on this by the ATF. im sure a considerable amount, but invest to clean this **** up. im sure there are mentally disturbed people in many other countries who dont go shooting up innocent ppl. im sure some of that has to do with the access to guns.

 

[whywesteppin]

We're saying laws don't really do that. I mean there are already laws and restriction in place, yet we're having this conversation.

Marijuana is illegal. I smoke every ***** ******* day. The laws haven't slowed me down a bit.

If you wake up one day and feel you want to shoot someone, clearly, you dont give a damn about a law.

I feel like banning/adding restriction is the easy-no thought answer. Its not as simple as banning or adding restriction.

I agree -- this is a complicated problem that requires efforts on many fronts if we hope to make a change.

But on your argument that laws don't do anything -- are you saying we shouldn't have any bans or restrictions? To take this to the extreme, should individuals be allowed to have nuclear weapons?

Common sense answer seems to be that there should be some level of restrictions on weapons that is regulated by the government and decided upon by common sense thinking. Saying all weapons should be banned or not a single weapon should be restricted are the easy no-thought answers here.

 

[richiecotite]

shaded me like how?

Once again, I`m about creating solutions/infrastructure to destroy the problems in whole, not giving money to organizations with vague mission statements, and financial statements that show only 10% or less of donations go to the actual causes. If a group has a plan/project to create infrastructure and or something to yield tangible results I`m all for it.
You are free to do with your money as you please though.

No joke, I'd love to know what your definition of infrastructure is.

 

[Belgium]

isn't the logical next step to make gun laws much more strict? Extremely harsh penalties for anyone holding, selling or dealing in any way with an unregistered firearm?

I wonder how much emphasis is put on this by the ATF. im sure a considerable amount, but invest to clean this **** up. im sure there are mentally disturbed people in many other countries who dont go shooting up innocent ppl. im sure some of that has to do with the access to guns.

Well Switzerland would suggest that the guns aren't the main problem of mass shootings.
I'm sure it plays a role but if high gun ownership rates and easy access to guns were the main problem that doesn't explain how Switzerland has had 1 mass shooting since 2001.
Purchasing a firearm should require a thorough mental health check by a psychiatrist and require annual (at minimum) recurring mental health check ups to maintain the right to own a firearm.

 

[tr1ll]

We're saying laws don't really do that. I mean there are already laws and restriction in place, yet we're having this conversation.

Marijuana is illegal. I smoke every ***** ******* day. The laws haven't slowed me down a bit.

If you wake up one day and feel you want to shoot someone, clearly, you dont give a damn about a law.

I feel like banning/adding restriction is the easy-no thought answer. Its not as simple as banning or adding restriction.

I agree -- this is a complicated problem that requires efforts on many fronts if we hope to make a change.

But on your argument that laws don't do anything -- are you saying we shouldn't have any bans or restrictions? To take this to the extreme, should individuals be allowed to have nuclear weapons?

Common sense answer seems to be that there should be some level of restrictions on weapons that is regulated by the government and decided upon by common sense thinking. Saying all weapons should be banned or not a single weapon should be restricted are the easy no-thought answers here.

Im saying we already have restrictions and they are not doing much. Out right banning them will only make them even more saught after.

 

[Belgium]

Im saying we already have restrictions and they are not doing much. Out right banning them will only make them even more saught after.

Banning them entirely would result in massive outrage and would probably make the country worse. Going from a glorified gun culture to full prohibition is asking for riots.

 

[abubakr shaheed]

isn't the logical next step to make gun laws much more strict? Extremely harsh penalties for anyone holding, selling or dealing in any way with an unregistered firearm?

I wonder how much emphasis is put on this by the ATF. im sure a considerable amount, but invest to clean this **** up. im sure there are mentally disturbed people in many other countries who dont go shooting up innocent ppl. im sure some of that has to do with the access to guns.

Well Switzerland would suggest that the guns aren't the main problem of mass shootings.
I'm sure it plays a role but if high gun ownership rates and easy access to guns were the main problem that doesn't explain how Switzerland has had 1 mass shooting since 2001.
Purchasing a firearm should require a thorough mental health check by a psychiatrist and require annual (at minimum) recurring mental health check ups to maintain the right to own a firearm.

i think the USA is too large and has way too many different cultures across the country to view this as a sociological problem.

what if there was a $1,000 reward for every person with an illegal firearm you tip off to authorities. i mean this sounds extreme i know but we spend billions on wars that don't benefit 99% of this country. minimum 10 year sentence for having an illegal firearm. 15 years for selling. idk im just saying **** is too easy to obtain and hide and go about your day.

 

[gwap]

so when are we discuss christian on christian violence?

all denominations matter

 

[Belgium]

i think the USA is too large and has way too many different cultures across the country to view this as a sociological problem.

what if there was a $1,000 reward for every person with an illegal firearm you tip off to authorities. i mean this sounds extreme i know but we spend billions on wars that don't benefit 99% of this country. minimum 10 year sentence for having an illegal firearm. 15 years for selling. idk im just saying **** is too easy to obtain and hide and go about your day.

Less sentencing for non-violent drug offenders and much more sentencing for the illegal possession or sale of a firearm.

 

[ace rawstein]

rather hear folks thoughts on the inner city shootings compared to mass shootings...

in most ppl eyes in this thread stricter gun laws only target mass shootings and mentally ill individuals

what do you do to target inner city gun violence?

we know the usual political factors that contribute to it....but they rarely get resolved adequately standing on their own, so trickling down to gun control is a long shot.

is there away to stop inner city folks from killing each other without banking on solutions to poverty, education, and health?

when I look at the chief keefs of Chicago and their influence.... they with out a doubt love and embrace the culture. how do you eliminate the love for the culture? There isnt a fear of consequence in them boys eyes. There isnt an ounce of care for community.

 

[mr marcus]

donated to Chris Mintz GoFundMe page.....reading about how he told the shooter "it's my sons birthday" hit a personal spot because I know if in that situation my daughter would be the first person I thought about....he's also from my part of NC so that made me want to help too

hope his recovery is 100% down the road 

 

[luckyluchiano]

rather hear folks thoughts on the inner city shootings compared to mass shootings...

in most ppl eyes in this thread stricter gun laws only target mass shootings and mentally ill individuals

what do you do to target inner city gun violence?

we know the usual political factors that contribute to it....but they rarely get resolved adequately standing on their own, so trickling down to gun control is a long shot.

is there away to stop inner city folks from killing each other without banking on solutions to poverty, education, and health?

when I look at the chief keefs of Chicago and their influence.... they with out a doubt love and embrace the culture. how do you eliminate the love for the culture? There isnt a fear of consequence in them boys eyes. There isnt an ounce of care for community.

You cant fix inner city violence without fixing the inner city point blank. Folks love to talk rap music and "culture" but ignore the social environment and the years of engineering that created that mess. The music and such are a reflection on the mess of an environment. Inner City violence is just dumb code word for black on black violence. At the end of the day Crime is damn near non existent/ comparable to other races in Black Middle Class areas. Why will nobody address the engineering such as housing discrimination and Jim Crow to make it where majority of the "inner city" inhabitants are blacks? Once again everyone wants to attack the end results but refuse to look at the root cause. People talk like folks in the inner city just chose to be in the situations they are in. This stuff literally comes from generations of engineering these conditions to where it got to the point where you dont even need to blatantly perform systematic racist acts as you have now created an environment where its inhabitants will now behave how you have wanted them to behave.

These people who do these mass shootings are not mentally ill, they are all brilliant yet evil people. And it makes me sick how people will call these people mentally ill when inner city youth are THE MOST mentally ill people due to their poisonous environments, yet they are the ones being called monsters.

 

[airedweezy]

Why don't schools enforce looked class rooms at all time. I know that would stop a dude from spraying the class room he's at or people walking on campus but I feel like it would reduce more casualties. Dudes that go to school do your campuses have drills for active shooter scenarios?

 

[ace rawstein]

rather hear folks thoughts on the inner city shootings compared to mass shootings...

in most ppl eyes in this thread stricter gun laws only target mass shootings and mentally ill individuals

what do you do to target inner city gun violence?

we know the usual political factors that contribute to it....but they rarely get resolved adequately standing on their own, so trickling down to gun control is a long shot.

is there away to stop inner city folks from killing each other without banking on solutions to poverty, education, and health?

when I look at the chief keefs of Chicago and their influence.... they with out a doubt love and embrace the culture. how do you eliminate the love for the culture? There isnt a fear of consequence in them boys eyes. There isnt an ounce of care for community.

You cant fix inner city violence without fixing the inner city point blank. Folks love to talk rap music and "culture" but ignore the social environment and the years of engineering that created that mess. The music and such are a reflection on the mess of an environment. Inner City violence is just dumb code word for black on black violence. At the end of the day Crime is damn near non existent/ comparable to other races in Black Middle Class areas. Why will nobody address the engineering such as housing discrimination and Jim Crow to make it where majority of the "inner city" inhabitants are blacks? Once again everyone wants to attack the end results but refuse to look at the root cause. People talk like folks in the inner city just chose to be in the situations they are in. This stuff literally comes from generations of engineering these conditions to where it got to the point where you dont even need to blatantly perform systematic racist acts as you have now created an environment where its inhabitants will now behave how you have wanted them to behave.

These people who do these mass shootings are not mentally ill, they are all brilliant yet evil people. And it makes me sick how people will call these people mentally ill when inner city youth are THE MOST mentally ill people due to their poisonous environments, yet they are the ones being called monsters.

dont disagree at all with your thoughts on the inner city...... but what you said has been shouted and echoed before and I feel like any person with any level of consciousness knows this. But whats not present in your reply are solutions to those huge issues that you mentioned.

If I got 12 chief keefs in front of me.... how can i speak and resonate with them? Talking about jim crow and how the system got them in this environment will not make them want to gangbang and ride on their ops any less will it?

We can give these kids all the game and put them on how corrupt this nation is and how the gov directly contributed to their poor surroundings but the pessimist in me sees these kids not giving a damn at all. So thats really my wonder. How do we make them care when they dont care about the history and havent seen any large scale successes from the people in the know fighting on their behalf?

 

[luckyluchiano]

dont disagree at all with your thoughts on the inner city...... but what you said has been shouted and echoed before and I feel like any person with any level of consciousness knows this. But whats not present in your reply are solutions to those huge issues that you mentioned.

If I got 12 chief keefs in front of me.... how can i speak and resonate with them? Talking about jim crow and how the system got them in this environment will not make them want to gangbang and ride on their ops any less will it?

We can give these kids all the game and put them on how corrupt this nation is and how the gov directly contributed to their poor surroundings but the pessimist in me sees these kids not giving a damn at all. So thats really my wonder. How do we make them care when they dont care about the history and havent seen any large scale successes from the people in the know fighting on their behalf?

At the end of the day there will always be casualties to the game, but we have to put emphasis on breaking the cycle and building infrastructure to protect the future generations. The issue at hand is nobody wants to listen to feel good stories when they have to wake up and see hell every day. A chief keef type will listen to rappers because they see rappers with tangible things, while an old head kicking knowledge at the end of the day is just as broke if not worst off than them. The youth won't respect older generations when they feel like the older generations are the reason they are in the environment they are in now. You have weak old people who kick respectability politics when at the end of the day even if you are in a suit you can still get a bullet to the dome or be profiled by cops. Young dudes would rather die in the hood than beg to be accepted by a society never meant to accept them. We gotta focus on saving our kids instead of looking to others to build for us. All these rappers go to the hood and pass out some damn turkeys which dont do a damn thing, and then go blow 100k in the strip club every month, when they could be building schools and opening businesses that people people to work. Thats why I am anti Charity, I rather teach people how to fish once than have to hand out fish every month.

America Teaches us to be individual when every other group on this planet focuses on building communities and putting their people first. We see success as getting money and getting ghost from our own people and moving into neighborhoods filled with people who hate us because we think their ice is colder.

 

[getback]

They released a bunch of images from the aftermath of the Aurora shooting. These poor people had no shot man. Look at these bullet trajectories:

WTH do you do in a small classroom?

 

[DROMONTANA]

Alot of these mass shooters are going out as virgins.. These loners need some p. 

 

 

[superblytrife]

Why don't schools enforce looked class rooms at all time. I know that would stop a dude from spraying the class room he's at or people walking on campus but I feel like it would reduce more casualties. Dudes that go to school do your campuses have drills for active shooter scenarios?

What if the shooter is in the classroom already? Or what if there's another emergency like a fire and for some reason the folks inside can't get out?

I feel where you're coming from, but should it backfire, the school/principal/etc. would get crucified. Goes to show you that there really is no simple solution to school shootings short of strip searching every person entering the building.

 

[wballz]

 
Alot of these mass shooters are going out as virgins.. These loners need some p. 

 

Legalizing prostitution may alleviate all this local terrorism by americans...

There's an article I read about how the young men susceptible to be recruited by islamic militant radicals are pretty much frustrated in life. Part of the reason is because they are not getting laid. All the young women they should be working on are rejecting them for wealthier men. Whether the woman is a sidepiece of the rich guys or the main girl, these younger men are not getting any whatsoever.

 

[sea manup]

 

 
Alot of these mass shooters are going out as virgins.. These loners need some p. 

 

Legalizing prostitution may alleviate all this local terrorism by americans...

There's an article I read about how the young men susceptible to be recruited by islamic militant radicals are pretty much frustrated in life. Part of the reason is because they are not getting laid. All the young women they should be working on are rejecting them for wealthier men. Whether the woman is a sidepiece of the rich guys or the main girl, these younger men are not getting any whatsoever.

inb4 "if someone is willing to break the law to kill people they are willing to break the law to get some p" 

I agree that prostitution needs to be legaized though, for the sake of the safety of prostitutes 

 

[Master Zik]

They released a bunch of images from the aftermath of the Aurora shooting. These poor people had no shot man. Look at these bullet trajectories:

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WTH do you do in a small classroom?

Damn where was he standing? In front of the screen? Them thangs flying from everywhere. Was he running back and forth in front of everybody?