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post #211 of 2419
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Also, though I hate to be the guy who blames everything on the coach, Doc made some critical mistakes in this one too. Did not leave the bench in long enough after they really started to play well. And stubbornly left DJ in the game when it was clearly a disadvantage for us. Maybe we would have lost regardless -- the banked Dirk 3 kind of indicated that was the case -- but once again I don't think we gave ourselves the best opportunity to win.
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post #212 of 2419
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Don't like to drop winnable game, but I'm going to say this one was an anomaly. Mavs really wanted it. CP played like ***, Blake had his worst game of the season and we didn't have JJ. Yet, we still had a great chance to win.
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post #213 of 2419
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Don't like to drop winnable game, but I'm going to say this one was an anomaly. Mavs really wanted it. CP played like ***, Blake had his worst game of the season and we didn't have JJ. Yet, we still had a great chance to win.

 

The biggest anamoly was how well they shot. Literally Dirk and Wes hit virtually every single shot and our two best guys couldn't hit ****. Oh well, on to tomorrow.

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post #214 of 2419
I had th game dvr'd and this girl I work with text me right at 8pm telling me the Clippers lost -_-.

Paul Pierce would be ok if he wasn't out there airballing every three. I still think that the reason we can't rebound when he's on the floor is because Doc insists on playing him at the 4 with Smith at the 5. Play him at the 3 and keep Jamal glued to the bench. Play him at the 4, if you must, with DJ at the 5.

It's funny. Every year since CP3 has been here we've heard whispers about a decline in his game and he promptly ***** that up. The one year we don't hear anything like that is the year where it might aftually be happening. It's not even just his shooting/scoring. I've seen a lot more turnovers and a lot less assists so far. Maybe it's just me, but I think the stats would back up that claim (haven't looked). Anyway, I hve faith in him adjusting and turning jt on.
post #215 of 2419
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I had th game dvr'd and this girl I work with text me right at 8pm telling me the Clippers lost -_-.

Paul Pierce would be ok if he wasn't out there airballing every three. I still think that the reason we can't rebound when he's on the floor is because Doc insists on playing him at the 4 with Smith at the 5. Play him at the 3 and keep Jamal glued to the bench. Play him at the 4, if you must, with DJ at the 5.

It's funny. Every year since CP3 has been here we've heard whispers about a decline in his game and he promptly ***** that up. The one year we don't hear anything like that is the year where it might aftually be happening. It's not even just his shooting/scoring. I've seen a lot more turnovers and a lot less assists so far. Maybe it's just me, but I think the stats would back up that claim (haven't looked). Anyway, I hve faith in him adjusting and turning jt on.

I don't think CP is completely right physically and its impacting his play. He had the finger thing in preseason, which I think is still bothering him. Then he had the hamstring injury against Golden State. I think we're deep enough that, if necessary, he can miss a few games to get right.

He was pretty bad last night. Terrible shooting. Some uncharacteristic and untimely turnovers and was basically getting cooked on defense by whoever he was guarding.

I think he'll be fine eventually, but I'm thinking maybe some rest will do him good. We'll see how he looks tonight though.
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post #216 of 2419
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I had th game dvr'd and this girl I work with text me right at 8pm telling me the Clippers lost -_-.

Paul Pierce would be ok if he wasn't out there airballing every three. I still think that the reason we can't rebound when he's on the floor is because Doc insists on playing him at the 4 with Smith at the 5. Play him at the 3 and keep Jamal glued to the bench. Play him at the 4, if you must, with DJ at the 5.

It's funny. Every year since CP3 has been here we've heard whispers about a decline in his game and he promptly ***** that up. The one year we don't hear anything like that is the year where it might aftually be happening. It's not even just his shooting/scoring. I've seen a lot more turnovers and a lot less assists so far. Maybe it's just me, but I think the stats would back up that claim (haven't looked). Anyway, I hve faith in him adjusting and turning jt on.

 

It's not just you, I've quietly pondered if this is the year where he finally "jumps the shark" :lol I don't know the numbers at all, but his turnovers and decision making seem to be way off. His shooting though his so vital to his game at this stage of his career and I feel like once his shot comes back to where it was last season, he'll be ok. I think they said he's playing with two bad hands or something and he has a groin that he's working through right now so hopefully once he's fully recovered off that we can take off. 

 

More Wes Johnson / Josh Smith and less Jamal Crawford and Paul Pierce. I still want Paul on the floor, but not at the four. 


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post #217 of 2419

 

Love the kid. He's like Crawford except instead of hoisting up contested two's and three's he'll get to the rim with his handle and first step. He also has the potential to be a really good spot up shooter too. Then he's lowkey becoming our top 3 defenders on the team too. And he's 23 years old. 

 

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Austin Rivers on floor: 98.8 DRtg Austin Rivers off floor: 104.1 DRtg

 

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 10 Clippers players have played 50+ total minutes this season. Austin Rivers leads the team in individual DRtg.

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post #218 of 2419
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^^^ Austin was probably our best all around player last night. Blake's numbers were decent, but I think his emotions/frustrations got the better of him in the second half. He did not play well in the 4th quarter.
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post #219 of 2419

With JJ Redick being out, we should take a hard look at my boy CJ Wilcox. He can play man, he can shoot it, has size and would be a compliment to the 2nd unit. One less ball handler, one more shooter. 

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post #220 of 2419
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^^^ Austin was probably our best all around player last night. Blake's numbers were decent, but I think his emotions/frustrations got the better of him in the second half. He did not play well in the 4th quarter.

 

This has been said about him far too many times before |I and it's true

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post #221 of 2419
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With JJ Redick being out, we should take a hard look at my boy CJ Wilcox. He can play man, he can shoot it, has size and would be a compliment to the 2nd unit. One less ball handler, one more shooter. 

Would be fine with me, but I doubt Glen goes there. He's too beholden to his vets. I mean, it really is ridiculous how much time Jamal gets when you look at how well Lance and Wes have played.
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post #222 of 2419
Remember when we thought Doc might actually play Dawson laugh.gif


I think Jamal, PP, Wes, Austin, and JJ would have to die for Doc to consider it.

At least he had an opportunity to decelop with the Jam.
post #223 of 2419
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Ironic that, now that Doc has actually done a solid job of GM-ing, his coaching is becoming a problem.
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post #224 of 2419

We are 5-3. If we win tonight, that'll put us at 6-3. Detroit is playing well, but saturday is a game we can definitely win. After the GS game next week this is what our schedule looks like:

 

@ PDX

vs TOR

@ DEN

vs UTA

vs NOP

vs MIN

vs PDX

vs IND

vs ORL

@ MIN

@ MIL

@ CHI

@ BKN

@ DET

vs MIL

 

All of those games are extremely winnable. If we can just not lose until we get to this point (:lol) we can really make some hay with this stretch. Between Cp's hands and groin, JJ Reddick's back, we're already beat up. But after saturday we get a four day break, which is much needed.

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post #225 of 2419

If I see Luc Richard get one more minute over Dawson....

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If I see Luc Richard get one more minute over Dawson....

 

 

Dawson is in the d league right now with the Bakersfield Jam

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post #227 of 2419
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Dawson is in the d league right now with the Bakersfield Jam

My statement still holds true though 

 

Rather have Dawson on the active roster logging minutes than Luc Richard

post #228 of 2419
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My statement still holds true though 

Rather have Dawson on the active roster logging minutes than Luc Richard

I'll take Luc and Dawson over Crawford. Dead serious.
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post #229 of 2419
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My statement still holds true though 

 

Rather have Dawson on the active roster logging minutes than Luc Richard

 

Yeah I agree. I'm all for getting the young guys some time. Rather than giving retreads some time for sure. 

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post #230 of 2419

That isn't surprising one bit lol

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I'll take Luc and Dawson over Crawford. Dead serious.

 

Man Crawford right now is at 10 ppg on 36% with horrible defense. That is Terrible but it's really magnified when he plays with a 2nd unit that includes pierce and smith (who's been good on defense thus far) who can't rebound. When they can't rebound, you need good defending and rebounding guards. 

 

That being said, if we win tonight we'll be 6 out of our first 9 with guys banged up a bit. I'm okay with that, especially with a relatively cheeks schedule on the horizon.

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post #232 of 2419
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Josh Smith and Welsey Johnson each played 13 minutes, Pierce 22. That's not really excusable

 

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Wesley Johnson made both of his threes and had 1 assist and 1 rebound with no turnovers in 13 minutes.

 

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Austin Rivers played less minutes than Jamal Crawford

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post #233 of 2419

PP is 6 ppg on 34%, I'd say he's up there with Crawford

 

I trust PP to pick it up though or at least offer more stability than Crawford later in the year

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PP is 6 ppg on 34%, I'd say he's up there with Crawford

 

I trust PP to pick it up though or at least offer more stability than Crawford later in the year

 

I said it earlier this week, PP is awful and his "clutchness" reputation has been romanticized to a point where he's on the floor far more than he should be right now. What he supposedly does well is not worth the sacrificing of more capable players at this juncture. No way should crawford and pierce be getting more minutes than Rivers, Stephenson, and Johnson. Pierce to me has to either play the 3, or play small ball four with DJ because when he's in the game with Smith he can't rebound or defend at all, and has been a trainwreck on offense.

 

Dawson and Luc > Pierce at small ball four. 

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post #235 of 2419

Yeah PP should only play the 4 in very specific circumstances which was my thought coming in to the season

 

I know PP will come through later in the year though. Spot up 3's or elbow post ups where he can pass or shoot.. he'll have a few big moments from those situations. With how many options Doc has, there's no reason to stay married to PP or Crawford or anyone else for too long if they aren't having a good night

post #236 of 2419
PP reminds me of Chauncey Billups when he came to the clips.

Washed, reputation for clutchness overblown. Contested transition 3's. I can see PP in with the starters at the 3 down the stretch though..
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post #237 of 2419

Billups was having a nice year before he tore his achilles. They looked like a well-oiled machine which was somewhat surprising since that was the first year CP came. Billups definitely wasn't washed until after that injury  

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Billups was having a nice year before he tore his achilles. They looked like a well-oiled machine which was somewhat surprising since that was the first year CP came. Billups definitely wasn't washed until after that injury  

Agreed. It was a big blow to the team when that happened. He never was the same after that and it actually hurt the Clips during the following season, when they got bounced by Memphis in round 1.
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post #239 of 2419
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Now official that Wilson is out tonight. Jamal (ugh) to start in his place. Rather see Lance move to the 2 and Wes start at 3, but that's not happening.

Unless Blake goes for like 40+, we're going to lose if we don't get better shooting out of Jamal and CP than we did last night.
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post #240 of 2419
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Now official that Wilson is out tonight. Jamal (ugh) to start in his place. Rather see Lance move to the 2 and Wes start at 3, but that's not happening.

Unless Blake goes for like 40+, we're going to lose if we don't get better shooting out of Jamal and CP than we did last night.

Wilson?

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