OFFICIAL LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS 2023-2024 SEASON THREAD

[shoeking2102]

Wes comes right in and contributes. I hate doc lol

 

[lawdog1]

Wes comes right in and contributes. I hate doc lol

HATE

 

[shoeking2102]

Wes again.

But PP came in before he did. Wes played 3 min in the first half. 

Just all over the place

 

[wavycrocket]

Wes again.

But PP came in before he did. Wes played 3 min in the first half. 

Just all over the place

Doc senile man. Notice how this ***** finally gets the sense to play Wes with the starters in the 4th. Rotations sum sht

 

[shoeking2102]

Doc senile man. Notice how this ***** finally gets the sense to play Wes with the starters in the 4th. Rotations sum sht

He plays wes with the starters to close it out but played wes 3 whole min in the first half 

 he really is screwing us

 

[shoeking2102]

Let me get my **** off though

 Pierce and Crawford played 12 minutes together tonight. They had a -47.9 NetRtg. They're now up to -12.3 in 351 minutes this year.

 Prigioni-Crawford-Pierce have played 28 minutes together this season. They have a -26.8 NetRtg

 Coming into tonight's game, Jamal Crawford was 5-24 and hadn't scored in double figures in 8 straight games. 

We're 30 games in and Doc Rivers is still trotting out lineups with Pierce and Crawford together. To keep it a buck, crawford and pierce should be catching DNP's. We have too many players who can contribute to be playing those two guys. We've lost at least five games by playing crawford and pierce together and it's frustrating because IMO we don't have to play crawford and we SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER PLAY paul pierce.

Wesley Johnson is so vital to what we can potentially do from that 3 spot. THERE IS NO WAY ON THIS EARTH THAT GUYS LIKE CRAWFORD AND PIERCE GET IN BEFORE WES JOHNSON. It also makes no sense to play pierce and keep our best rim protector josh smith collecting DNP's.

I fear that we'll be at game 82 and still haven't figured out these rotations and it's dooming us now, and it'll doom us in the playoffs as well. Oh and Lance Stephenson played 2 minutes with the core four. 2. I'm ready to let doc go man this is ridiculous.

 

[Mr.Guy]

 
Let me get my **** off though

We're 30 games in and Doc Rivers is still trotting out lineups with Pierce and Crawford together. To keep it a buck, crawford and pierce should be catching DNP's. We have too many players who can contribute to be playing those two guys. We've lost at least five games by playing crawford and pierce together and it's frustrating because IMO we don't have to play crawford and we SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER PLAY paul pierce.

Wesley Johnson is so vital to what we can potentially do from that 3 spot. THERE IS NO WAY ON THIS EARTH THAT GUYS LIKE CRAWFORD AND PIERCE GET IN BEFORE WES JOHNSON. It also makes no sense to play pierce and keep our best rim protector josh smith collecting DNP's.

I fear that we'll be at game 82 and still haven't figured out these rotations and it's dooming us now, and it'll doom us in the playoffs as well. Oh and Lance Stephenson played 2 minutes with the core four. 2. I'm ready to let doc go man this is ridiculous.

This....

 

[lawdog1]

We're never going to be able to protect a lead (big or small) if Doc keeps insisting line-ups that can't rebound or defend well and, to be perfectly real, aren't that great on offense either. There's a reason we haven't had a single game this season that we haven't been able to rest all the starters for the majority of the 4th quarter. How can Doc be so clueless about this? How Sway? (as you younger folks like to say).

As the saying goes, "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Doc has reached this threshold in terms of playing Pierce and Jamal together in the second unit.

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

Bring bike Vinny D?

 

[HIM]

Bring bike Vinny D?

As bad as Doc is, VDN was 1000 times worse. You think not playing Wes in the fourth is bad? How about not playing DJ or Wes?


I'd bring back Dunleavy before VDN. I don't want thibs. Not sure who we could realistically get. I'm sure some team will throw money at Luke next year. Just hope it isn't us

 

[moonman818]

VDN did just as much, with less talent if you wanna be real.

Sometimes, it's on the players and not the coaching

 

[HIM]

VDN did just as much, with less talent if you wanna be real.

Sometimes, it's on the players and not the coaching

I've addressed this but no, he did not. If you want to say neither of them advanced to the WCF then fine but if you want to act like those VDN teams were as good as these teams then you are wrong. VDN made the second round once and got swept in 4 blowouts

 

[lawdog1]

^^^ And Doc's been at the helm of two epic chokes in the playoffs. I'm honestly not sure what's worse.

 

[HIM]

^^^ And Doc's been at the helm of two epic chokes in the playoffs. I'm honestly not sure what's worse.

VDN had a 2-0 lead with home court advantage and lost four straight

I'd take the last two years over the previous two 10 times out of 10.

 

[moonman818]

VDN did just as much, with less talent if you wanna be real.

Sometimes, it's on the players and not the coaching

I've addressed this but no, he did not. If you want to say neither of them advanced to the WCF then fine but if you want to act like those VDN teams were as good as these teams then you are wrong. VDN made the second round once and got swept in 4 blowouts

Doc had better, more experienced teams and their seasons ultimately ended up with same outcome.

Although coaching obviously matters, at some point you have to start looking at the players when there's the same disappointment year after year...


And at you acting like being up 3.75-1 in a series isn't just as bad.... Cmon son

 

[lawdog1]

^^^ Yeah, I don't blame Doc for last year. I've said multiple times CP and Blake should have been able to pull out Game 6 against the Rockets and failed. I put it on them. However, that does not negate the fact Doc sucks this season.

 

[HIM]

Come on cuh. Were you not in the thread last year? Everybody in here blamed the players for the loss. Im sure you were at the game 6. It was plain to see Blake wanted nothing to do with the ball in the fourth.


But you're right. That's why NBA Teams have been lining up to sign VDN since he got fired


Do you not remember VDN benching DJ for entire fourth quarters in the playoffs? This whole thing started because someone said we should bring VDN back. Regardless if you want to blame the players, do YOU want VDN back?

 

[moonman818]

Come on cuh. Were you not in the thread last year? Everybody in here blamed the players for the loss. Im sure you were at the game 6. It was plain to see Blake wanted nothing to do with the ball in the fourth.


But you're right. That's why NBA Teams have been lining up to sign VDN since he got fired


Do you not remember VDN benching DJ for entire fourth quarters in the playoffs? This whole thing started because someone said we should bring VDN back. Regardless if you want to blame the players, do YOU want VDN back?

Of course I don't want him back

It's funny you would rather lose up 2-0 than up 3 and 12 minutes-1 (not that really means anything though, outcome still the same)

But I also think that he would do just as good as Doc with the way this team has been constructed.
I'm not a fan of DJ, so I don't think sitting him really effects the team negatively. He's only good at catching lobs and setting screens. His defense is hella overrated IMO

I'm an advocate of shaking things up and this isn't a championship level roster, whether you guys wanna admit or not... So something needs to be done or its gonna be another 3 or 4 seasons of disappointment and watching warriors, Spurs, and other teams win.

 

[HIM]

Come on cuh. Were you not in the thread last year? Everybody in here blamed the players for the loss. Im sure you were at the game 6. It was plain to see Blake wanted nothing to do with the ball in the fourth.


But you're right. That's why NBA Teams have been lining up to sign VDN since he got fired


Do you not remember VDN benching DJ for entire fourth quarters in the playoffs? This whole thing started because someone said we should bring VDN back. Regardless if you want to blame the players, do YOU want VDN back?

Of course I don't want him back

It's funny you would rather lose up 2-0 than up 3 and 12 minutes-1 (not that really means anything though, outcome still the same)

But I also think that he would do just as good as Doc with the way this team has been constructed.
I'm not a fan of DJ, so I don't think sitting him really effects the team negatively. He's only good at catching lobs and setting screens. His defense is hella overrated IMO

I'm an advocate of shaking things up and this isn't a championship level roster, whether you guys wanna admit or not... So something needs to be done or its gonna be another 3 or 4 seasons of disappointment and watching warriors, Spurs, and other teams win.

You can't just say the outcome is the same, though. Getting blown out four straight times is not the same as being one quarter away from the WCF. We were competitive the year prior if it weren't for CP3's choke job.

Doc, for all his faults, had us in position to win big games. VDN won one series. He had six wins in two postseasons. Doc has 13 in his two.

You can't just make it as simple as "they both only made it to the 2nd round" IMO. That would be like saying beating the Spurs in the first round lst year is the same as beating the Grizzlies eith VDN. One is clearly more impressive than the other.


What we're all saying is that Doc has mismanaged rotations this year and he isn't getting away with it now. We're getting worse. Realistically, the only move we can make is to get rid of him. Or maybe just get a GM and have him focus as a coach.


Also, again, I think shoe, Lawdog, and myself have all said we aren't contending for anything this year. But who can we realistically trade? DJ would be the most likely candidate but that'll make the organization look bad and I wouldn't want to ruin the good will we have built the last few years as a respectable organization who a) can actually compete b) keeps their word/treats their players well. We just pulled this guy away from the Mavs by convincing him he would be a big part of a team which will be competing for a ring. You can't flip him to the Sixers for assets after that It wasn't too long ago that players openly spoke about not wanting to play here because the owner was cheap and it just wasn't a stable organization. I don't wanna go back to that.

I'd be wiling to trade CP3 for the right price. He's never gonna be better than he currently is and we aren't really gonna win antrhing this year so we might as well flip him for some assets so we can continue to compete for the remainder of Blake's Clipper career.


Or maybe Doc has an epiphany and turns everything around

 

[shoeking2102]

Can't be obsessed with the outcomes. The process is important as well.

From a purely basketball perspective, we're leaps and bounds better than we were under Vinny. There's far more motion in our offense and DJ / Blake / CP are all better under Doc than they were under Vinny. It isn't even close when it comes to X's and O's and execution.

We were a quarter away from the western conference finals under doc and while I do believe Vinny got robbed a bit with Blake being Injured when we lost to memphis, I believe where we are now is better than where we were with Vinny. 

And I'm not optimistic that we're going to win anything this year, but I'm not fully off the ledge yet. Both years under Doc we've been much better towards the end than the beginning. CP is rounding into form, and if we're rolling come playoff time, a few things break our way, you never know. The core of CP / Blake / JJ / DJ have beaten GSW and SAS in a best of seven. Not counting them out fully, but I will concede that the chances of doing anything this year is rather bleak.

 

[lawdog1]

Yeah, like Shoeking and erupt, I'm not optimistic about this season anymore, but I also don't see the point on pulling the trigger on a blockbuster trade now. Teams that trade core pieces during the season don't compete for titles. Only way we'd be better off with a midseason trade than we are now is we were able to get an all-star for basically nothing, like the Lakers did with Pau. (Yes, I realize Marc was included in that deal, but it took years for him to get good after he went to Memphis). Otherwise, if we trade a key piece, we'll have too much catching up to do in terms of continuity and chemistry to complete with the Spurs or Warriors, etc. So, I think we need to just ride this season out, accept our probable post-season L and look at major roster and COACHING changes in the Summer.

And, honestly, I think we do have a championship level roster in terms of talent. But it needs to be managed well and Chris and Blake both have to play at a very high level all post-season. No lapses like last year. Like shoeking and erupt said, looking very unlikely right now that things will come together like that this year. But, again, I don't think a major mid-season trade is going to put us any closer to true contention, so sticking with this group and hoping Doc finally figures out how to get the most out of them is the way to go.

 

[shoeking2102]

Yeah, like Shoeking and erupt, I'm not optimistic about this season anymore, but I also don't see the point on pulling the trigger on a blockbuster trade now. Teams that trade core pieces during the season don't compete for titles. Only way we'd be better off with a midseason trade than we are now is we were able to get an all-star for basically nothing, like the Lakers did with Pau. (Yes, I realize Marc was included in that deal, but it took years for him to get good after he went to Memphis). Otherwise, if we trade a key piece, we'll have too much catching up to do in terms of continuity and chemistry to complete with the Spurs or Warriors, etc. So, I think we need to just ride this season out, accept our probable post-season L and look at major roster and COACHING changes in the Summer.

And, honestly, I think we do have a championship level roster in terms of talent. But it needs to be managed well and Chris and Blake both have to play at a very high level all post-season. No lapses like last year. Like shoeking and erupt said, looking very unlikely right now that things will come together like that this year. But, again, I don't think a major mid-season trade is going to put us any closer to true contention, so sticking with this group and hoping Doc finally figures out how to get the most out of them is the way to go.

All of this, especially the underlined.

 

[shoeking2102]

Blake out two weeks.

****. Season from hell continues

 

[lawdog1]

Blake out two weeks.

****. Season from hell continues

Just saw. As I said on Twitter - fffffffffffaaaahhhhh

 

[shoeking2102]

Blake will be out longer than two weeks. It'll be probably a month IMO