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[MVP]

Bryant said he does not believe anyone on the Lakers' roster has earned the right to carry a torch that Bryant would relinquish after he retires this summer, ending his 20-season career. "No," Bryant said. "If you have to ask that question, the answer is already there. Those are things you don't have to ask. Those things just happen."

Sounds like he's saying nobody is ready to take it right now, now the in depth of why exactly that is we don't know. Cause if you have the work ethic/competitiveness that Bean can see even without the merits I think he'd be a little more complementary. I mean Jerry West saw it early on with him.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Why should we worry about who Kobe thinks should "carry the torch"? What does Kobe know about evaluating players?

 

[MVP]

I think he knows a little bit considering he's been the one actually coaching and working with the young guys.

 

[delete1234]

That's not the same thing as saying as saying what Byron said. His comment is pretty much a petty retort. if you can't see that then you trippin

 

[hoopcoach]

Jim and Mitch stay? How has that worked out so far starting with Jim choosing MDA over Phil.. That's when train started going off the tracks.MDA Ran Kobe into the ground wanted Nash got Nash.Dude took the Lakers money and ran..I could go on and on......View media item 1971563

 

[essential1]

Jim and Mitch stay? How has that worked out so far starting with Jim choosing MDA over Phil.. That's when train started going off the tracks.MDA Ran Kobe into the ground wanted Nash got Nash.Dude took the Lakers money and ran..I could go on and on......

Too bad that Dr. Buss chose MDA... BUT what's facts to just blurting things out that you want to be true.

Also Steve Nash was traded for before Mike D'Antoni got here.. Before Mike Brown was fired.

And Kobe's Achilles could have happened at any time. There's been enough doctors who have said the number of minutes he was playing really doesn't matter. One awkward step could have done it. First minute of the first game, or last minute of Game 82

 

[hoopcoach]

Too bad that Dr. Buss chose MDA... BUT what's facts to just blurting things out that you want to be true.

Also Steve Nash was traded for before Mike D'Antoni got here.. Before Mike Brown was fired.

And Kobe's Achilles could have happened at any time. There's been enough doctors who have said the number of minutes he was playing really doesn't matter. One awkward step could have done it. First minute of the first game, or last minute of Game 82

Tell me you aren't caping Jim Buss..Dr.Buss is rolling in his grave at the state of the Lakers right now..It starts with leadership..There is none..And fact check Jim did have say in Phil decision And don't come back with Dr Buss put Jim in charge..He had it in his will and a lot of the siblings didn't agree but went along..His time is up..

 

[essential1]

Too bad that Dr. Buss chose MDA... BUT what's facts to just blurting things out that you want to be true.

Also Steve Nash was traded for before Mike D'Antoni got here.. Before Mike Brown was fired.

And Kobe's Achilles could have happened at any time. There's been enough doctors who have said the number of minutes he was playing really doesn't matter. One awkward step could have done it. First minute of the first game, or last minute of Game 82

Tell me you aren't caping Jim Buss..

Facts??? WHO NEEDS FACTS?

http://www.examiner.com/article/phi...uss-made-final-decision-to-hire-mike-d-antoni

“You know, it was something that has bounced from spot to spot. When I left (the interview), Jimmy was pretty happy about it and Mitch was still saying, “We’re going to keep interviewing people,” and I think the ultimate (decision) kind of rested with Dr. Buss and he made the decision in the hospital the day after.”

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/...ht-howard-where-do-los-angeles-lakers-go-here

Yes, the relationship will forever be strained by the way Jim Buss and Kupchak courted Jackson last November, leaving the legendary coach with the impression that the Lakers' job was his to turn down before abruptly hiring D'Antoni.

Jackson was interested in the job and had intended to accept it. But he also thought he was responding to a call for help from the family of his then-longtime girlfriend, as her father lay dying at a nearby hospital, and a record amount of money had been allocated for one last title chase while the old man was alive.

Later on, the elder Buss explained to his daughter that the final decision on the hire had been his, and it was not personal toward Jackson. He simply saw the NBA heading in a direction that seemed to fit D'Antoni's uptempo style.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/22/sports/la-sp-lakers-jeanie-buss-20130922

[That Friday afternoon] My brother walked into my private office a little while later and got right to the point.

"I feel really bad that I made this mistake in hiring Mike Brown," he said. "I've cost the family money. But I had to let him go and we are going to have to continue to pay that contract. What I want to know from you is, do you think Phil and I could work together?"

My brother really caught me off guard with that question.

"I have no idea if Phil is even interested in coming back," I said. "If you want to discuss it, Jim, it has to be between you and him. I can't be in the middle. The only way it's going to work is if I'm not involved." . . .

My brother's response was to repeat his initial question: "Do you think Phil and I can work together?"

"Jim, just look at your past success," I replied. "Andrew Bynum is a perfect example. You brought Phil a piece of raw talent and Phil helped develop him into what he became. He was one of the top two centers in the league. Of course you and Phil can work together."

That was my only input. I wasn't pushing for him to get the job. I really wasn't.

"Can you give me Phil's number?" Jim asked.

"Here's the cell number," I said. "Here's the home number. Do whatever makes you comfortable."

 

[hoopcoach]

So Phil's version is irrelevant? Okayyyy Let's keep everybody including BScott and the nose dive and team tank continues..Good plan bright future we have..[emoji]9786[/emoji]

 

[essential1]

So Phil's version is irrelevant? Okayyyy

I just posted Phil saying Dr. Buss made the decision.

So if Phil says Dr. Buss made the decision... And Jeanie was told by her father that he (Dr. Buss) made the decision... And Jim was the one who initiated contact with Phil, and asked Jeanie if they could work together again...

Where do you get that.... Oh man Jim definitely chose Mike D'Antoni?


Oh and here's Jim on the issue

“We did the coaching search and interviews and fed him all the information,” Buss said. “And he said, ‘This is who I want. D’Antoni’s the man.’ Knowing that in the future we had to rebuild, he felt that Phil was not a guy to rebuild. It’s not fair to him. It was actually more of a respectful thought towards Phil.”

http://www.lakersnation.com/dr-jerry-buss-on-mike-dantoni-hiring-this-is-who-i-want/2013/09/11/



So you're getting at least 3 sides of the story.. All saying the same thing... How do you come out of that with something different

 

[Lizakers]

Everyone has to go
Heads must roll
3 years of worst record in lakers history
Owners need to step back
No more puff daddy owners who wanna be all in the videos....dancin
No more owners making basketball decisions
We need a coach and GM with a new culture
No more lakers greats doing TV analysis talmbout the laker way and Riley practices and the good ol days
No more Trudell/Ireland not challenging Byron
Everything must change
New regime new blood new attitudes new ideas

 

[hoopcoach]

Facts??? WHO NEEDS FACTS?

http://www.examiner.com/article/phi...uss-made-final-decision-to-hire-mike-d-antoni


http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/...ht-howard-where-do-los-angeles-lakers-go-here
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/22/sports/la-sp-lakers-jeanie-buss-20130922

I just posted Phil saying Dr. Buss made the decision.

So if Phil says Dr. Buss made the decision... And Jeanie was told by her father that he (Dr. Buss) made the decision... And Jim was the one who initiated contact with Phil, and asked Jeanie if they could work together again...

Where do you get that.... Oh man Jim definitely chose Mike D'Antoni?


Oh and here's Jim on the issue
http://www.lakersnation.com/dr-jerry-buss-on-mike-dantoni-hiring-this-is-who-i-want/2013/09/11/



So you're getting at least 3 sides of the story.. All saying the same thing... How do you come out of that with something different

The decision came down to Dad, Mitch, and I all agreeing," Jim claims, "that D'Antoni was a better fit for this group of personnel."

The story going around is that my dad pushed for D'Antoni because he wanted to go back to playing Showtime basketball. But there was only one Showtime, never to be replicated. My dad knew that.

I know my father would back my brother in whatever decision Jim wanted to make. That was exactly how my dad was with the decisions I had to make in regard to business matters.

My dad made it clear to the entire family that he put me in charge of the team's business operations and my brother was in charge of the basketball decisions. He wanted that structure in place to carry us forward when he was no longer running the show.

What is not clear to me is why, if they had their doubts about Phil being physically able to coach, they hired a guy who was still recovering after having his knee replaced? D'Antoni wasn't physically prepared to hit the ground running with the season already underway.

Despite my brother's desire to open up the channels of communication between us, we still rarely if ever discuss basketball. That should be okay because my dad was confident the franchise could be run that way. But I want my brother to realize that I'm not the enemy.http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/22/sports/la-sp-lakers-jeanie-buss-20130922/2

Shall I highlight dad Mitch and I....Not Dr.buss alone..Keep sticking with half facts

 

[Lizakers]

I always had doubts about the "it was my dad's deathbed decision " narrative

Always seemed suspect and an easy way for Jim to cover his ***

 

[essential1]

Shall I highlight dad Mitch and I....Not Dr.buss alone..Keep sticking with half facts

And now 3 people means it's Jim Buss' decisions?

Great clarity of reading.

Jim discussed the process. He & Mitch did all the canvasing, and reported back to Dr. Buss. And eventually they got to Mike D'Antoni (ultimately Dr. Buss' decision, as described by Phil Jackson, and reported by Ramona Shelburne, described by Jim Buss, and eventually said by Jeanie).

Dr. Buss says this is who I want, this is why I want him. They agreed on that.


And they were not wrong either.. The NBA is moving away from Phil Jackson... Don't believe me... Go look at the Knicks right now.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Essential STILL defending Jim Buss.

 

[licensed to ball]

Lol

 

[hoopcoach]

The story going around is that my dad pushed for D'Antoni because he wanted to go back to playing Showtime basketball. But there was only one Showtime, never to be replicated. My dad knew that.

I know my father would back my brother in whatever decision Jim wanted to make. That was exactly how my dad was with the decisions I had to make in regard to business matters.

My dad made it clear to the entire family that he put me in charge of the team's business operations and my brother was in charge of the basketball decisions. He wanted that structure in place to carry us forward when he was no longer running the show.

Again Buss backed Jim what part of that don't you get???He didn't make the call..Did you even read what I just posted??I can't make you read English.

 

[essential1]

Essential STILL defending Jim Buss.

Again there's facts, and there's opinions..

We are talking about facts...

Things that we know.

 

[essential1]

The story going around is that my dad pushed for D'Antoni because he wanted to go back to playing Showtime basketball. But there was only one Showtime, never to be replicated. My dad knew that.

I know my father would back my brother in whatever decision Jim wanted to make. That was exactly how my dad was with the decisions I had to make in regard to business matters.


Again Buss backed Jim what part of that don't you get???He didn't make the call..Did you even read what I just posted??

Not once in that paragraph does it say.... He backed Jim hiring Mike D'Antoni... It comes to a false equivalency. Saying he backs whatever decision he wants to make....

Yet it wasn't Dr. Buss' decision because he knew Showtime couldn't be replicated?


And it becomes irrelevant when Phil Jackson says.... Dr. Buss chose Mike D'Antoni..... And Phil HATES Jim with a passion.

 

[licensed to ball]

#fax

 

[Lizakers]

Nobody knows the facts
We just know what the buss kids are claiming to be the truth after their dad died and can't speak for himself
Phil probably is just going by what Jeanie/Jim or Mitch told him

 

[ValarMorghulis]

It's really irrelevant who said what honestly... Both Jeanie and Jim suck at their jobs and have completely screwed their dads prize possession

#clowntake

 

[essential1]

Nobody knows the facts
We just know what the buss kids are claiming to be the truth after their dad died and can't speak for himself
Phil probably is just going by what Jeanie/Jim or Mitch told him

So what we're going to do is instead ignore all of it.... And just say "Nah it happened this way."


Which is worse?


Having multiple people who were around the situation/ involved tell you this is what happened...
-OR-
Just saying I think it happened this way, so that's the way it happened.

 

[hoopcoach]

Okay Jeanie's a liar Phils a liar.. Dude I just spelled it out for you with an article to back up who was calling the shots and it wasn't Daddy.. It's tired now,you do you..like I said keep your buddy Jim and watch the franchise continue to spiral..I would like for free agents to not look at our front office and laugh..I'm #cleanhousesquad

 

[licensed to ball]

Nobody knows the facts
We just know what the buss kids are claiming to be the truth after their dad died and can't speak for himself
Phil probably is just going by what Jeanie/Jim or Mitch told him

Funny I just spent 20 minutes on Twitter trying to explain that to him.

Facts are things that are proven, not "their side of the story."

You can believe them and trust that it's the truth, but it's a belief. It's not a fact.

None of us will know the 100% truth behind what Jerrh Buss said or didn't say referring to MDA and Phil. We weren't in the room and there is no video/audio recording.

The Jeanie story doesn't prove facts, it protects her siblings reputation. It's a story.