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[jsindaa]

We really still discussing Demar like he's actually good?

 

[SORIANOTRON]

LOL ^ backup what?

3 lottery guys (DLo/Ingram/Randle)
3 quality rotation buys (Clarkson/Nance/Lou)
3 large money buys (FA)
3 rotation parts (#32/Brown/Black)

Tanking/building thru the draft is over after this top 3 pick.

DD by himself, sure, we don't win too many more games.

DD + 2 others + Ingram + Luke, we ain't a high lottery team anymore. Time to start tryna win again.

Easy to grasp.

not sure why cats dont think this is feasable....

no one saying derozan going to come over here and bring us back competitive by himself.

But adding him and 2-3 other peices such as a Beazmore, def makes us more competitive.....

yes we are going to loose next year...

but if we can be COMPETITIVE thats the silver lining here, cats just ran through us this year.....like "oh **** we're playing the lakers, might as well chalk that up as a W, Im bout to get my points tonight, im going to baptize hibbert tonight" it was laughable...

if we can start to move away from that this coming year, were moving in the right step...

demar, whiteside, PG, and KD all instantly change that, granted on varying levels, but we ascend to a different level than we're on.

competing to the liked of a UTAH or SAC this year would be considered a success and a major move forward.

You gotta account for level of competitiveness in the west too, the ******* warriors beat the all-time signle seasons W's record this year for christ sake, the zombie spurs, OKC...this ain't no whatever team Lebrons on is going to win ****.

we gotta crawl man, rebuilding aint quick and there aint no single right or wrong way to do it....

 

[darthska]

CP on #TeamD.Roze?!

Not a good look, man.

If you've got analytics that could possibly disprove my eye test: I'm listening.

Gets to the line a lot. 3rd most in the league. Behind Harden & Cousins. Consistently does this every year.

Harden and Cousins. It's not praise to be in the same company of anything as them. Yeesh. 

Coverts at the basket really well.

Shoots above average from 14 feet in.
Around average from 15-19

These are things that you say at the END of bigging someone up, but this is among the initial compliments for the guy? That's like telling someone to eat at your favorite restaurant because of the silverware.

Increased his efficiency by decreasing his 16 > 3P shots by almost 10% in the past year.

Not eem sure what you just said. 

Catch and shoot 3s, he shot 42% up about 10% from normal, 20% when it's off the dribble. So clearly he has some ability to shoot 3s under the right circumstance. It's about keeping him from going full-Kobe, and be a catch and shoot shooter from 3.


Get a lot of motion in your offense where you get him open looks off the catch from 3, and keep his shot selection trending in the right way (cut 16 > 3P shots down more, optimally you'd want about 4-4.5 shots to be around 2, and make them 3 pointers or shots at the basket).

The problem with this is it's trying to get Duncan to bring the ball up more, it's trying to get Dragic to stay in the post more, it's getting... it's trying to get D.Roze to shoot less 3s and be more spot up. By no means is he a chucker, but he is who he is. This suggestion I'm talking about right now suggests that his lack of discipline is the fault of the coach and/or the system he's in. No. He is who he is, and he is undisciplined, and straight up unintelligent on some situations.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

Harden and Cousins. It's not praise to be in the same company of anything as them. Yeesh. 

this cat missing the point to validate his own opinions...

c'mon guy, it doesnt matter WHO the company is, its being the company.

If your tops in the league for going to the line, your probably getting your team 10-20 point alone on being aggressive.....not even scoring....just being active.

we get it you dont want derozan, but when this dood is bringing in valid points and u just chopping em down for the sake of arguing.....

feel sorry for your spouse if you married bra.

 

[darthska]

Harden and Cousins. It's not praise to be in the same company of anything as them. Yeesh. 

this cat missing the point to validate his own opinions...

c'mon guy, it doesnt matter WHO the company is, its being the company.

If your tops in the league for going to the line, your probably getting your team 10-20 point alone on being aggressive.....not even scoring....just being active.

we get it you dont want derozan, but when this dood is bringing in valid points and u just chopping em down for the sake of arguing.....

feel sorry for your spouse if you married bra.

"this cat missing points to validate his own opinion"

Says the guy who ends his post with an extremely personal shot.

I know your type, so which response will it be:

"I was just playing" or "My bad. Didn't know you were so sensitive."

I'm pushing all in on the second one.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

nah but in your case, some cats are just argumentative by nature.

 

[darthska]

So it's the second one, blame the person you took a shot at.

Knew it.

Crazy idea: don't worry about who is argumentative by nature or who has a spouse or who the person is. That's getting personal, and shows a weakly built argument. That's politics. You got a point? Present it. You got a weak point that you don't know how to completely present? Present it and add some insults for lulz and distractions.)

(This is where you realize you were just straight up wrong for saying that.)

 

[SORIANOTRON]

yawns*

 

[darthska]

yawns*

Yeah, some people are too immature to man up when they are wrong but jump at opportunities to try and put others on blast.

Immature, disrespectful, proud marks who expect people to just be like, "Oh, thank you for pointing that out!" but when something is pointed out to them: "yawns"

I don't have to wonder if you have a decent, respectable spouse I should feel sorry for: there's no way any decent, respectful chick would put up with your stubbornness and insolence.

(here you go, I saved you some clicks: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/insolence)

Since clearly you have more intentions of discussing me and whether or not I have a spouse, how about we dead this and get back to the Lakers?

 

[darthska]

CP on #TeamD.Roze?!

Not a good look, man.

If you've got analytics that could possibly disprove my eye test: I'm listening.

Gets to the line a lot. 3rd most in the league. Behind Harden & Cousins. Consistently does this every year.

Harden and Cousins. It's not praise to be in the same company of anything as them. Yeesh. 

Coverts at the basket really well.

Shoots above average from 14 feet in.
Around average from 15-19

These are things that you say at the END of bigging someone up, but this is among the initial compliments for the guy? That's like telling someone to eat at your favorite restaurant because of the silverware.

Increased his efficiency by decreasing his 16 > 3P shots by almost 10% in the past year.

Not eem sure what you just said. 

Catch and shoot 3s, he shot 42% up about 10% from normal, 20% when it's off the dribble. So clearly he has some ability to shoot 3s under the right circumstance. It's about keeping him from going full-Kobe, and be a catch and shoot shooter from 3.


Get a lot of motion in your offense where you get him open looks off the catch from 3, and keep his shot selection trending in the right way (cut 16 > 3P shots down more, optimally you'd want about 4-4.5 shots to be around 2, and make them 3 pointers or shots at the basket).

The problem with this is it's trying to get Duncan to bring the ball up more, it's trying to get Dragic to stay in the post more, it's getting... it's trying to get D.Roze to shoot less 3s and be more spot up. By no means is he a chucker, but he is who he is. This suggestion I'm talking about right now suggests that his lack of discipline is the fault of the coach and/or the system he's in. No. He is who he is, and he is undisciplined, and straight up unintelligent on some situations.

 

[licensed to ball]

Dude said Derozan is AVERAGE from 15-19 feet, and in this 3 point shooting league were supposed to be juiced about giving this AVERAGE shooter the green light to chuck on our squad...WHILE giving him 110 million to do so?

We got an AVERAGE shooter already in Clarkson, why do we need another? Hes younger, just as athletic, and has all the same pros and cons as Derozan minus a few inches of height (big deal... because shooters/scorers need height to succeed these days right? *cough* steph *cough*)

So funny man.

HES AVERAGE.

But, but, but... the PER, and the advanced OMERF ratings, and this, and that...

HES AVERAGE.

You said it yourself. What average shooting SHOOTING GUARD is worth 110 million dollars? especially when all he's going to do is take away growth opportunities from the other young assets you have.

 

[essential1]

Average from a specific distance. Above average to great from 15 in. And also elite at getting to the line.

The game is run by numbers. Just because you don't like math, it hurts your head, or whatever reason... Doesn't mean that you can ignore sports are a game of numbers.

He's an elite scorer. Despite his deficiencies. Those of which he did a considerable amount differently this season.

But yeah Kent Bazemore.... Woooooooo $18mil for an undersized 3, who is barely a starter. And only was because DeMarre Carroll took $14mil a season to play in Toronto to stink it up when he wasn't injured.

 

[MVP]

Elite scorer...nah. He's elite at 1 thing and 1 thing only getting to the free through line. Nothing else in his game warrants 110 million because you THINK he'll change his game. Which more often than not doesn't happen in sports after you get that big payday. 

I'm really hoping P is right an Ujiri saves us from a catastrophic decision, because if the tea leaves are reading correctly and DD's reps are pushing him out here and the Lakers simultaneously are planning to meet with him at 9:01 PST on the first night of FA and offer him that deal without any assurances or meetings with anyone else, so help all of us. 

 

[tonelow]

Yea I think you guys are hung up on the 25 mil, you should be looking at the % of the cap that he's taking. 

Would you be ok with signing him for 18mil? Or do you just not want him at all?

 

[moneybands1125]

You all can have Jimmy buckets and Derrick Rose if you want them

 

[MVP]

 
Yea I think you guys are hung up on the 25 mil, you should be looking at the % of the cap that he's taking. 

Would you be ok with signing him for 18mil? Or do you just not want him at all?

Percentage wise that's still almost 30% of the cap (which is superstar money) and everyone has acknowledged he's not that type of player. And he's not going to get anything less than that based on those empty stats (just look at Kevin Love and the deal he got after he showed not to be the same player with CLE as he was with MIN). So no, do not want him at all. 

By comparison Bazemore (IF he gets a max) is 20%, it's more likely for him since he's not an all star he'll command around 15. Which is around 16% of the cap which will be about average for a good starter as it is now. 

 

[darthska]

[quote name="Mamba MVP"]He's elite at 1 thing and 1 thing only getting to the free through line. Nothing else in his game warrants 110 million because you THINK he'll change his game.[/quote]Nutshell.

 

[CP1708]

CP on #TeamD.Roze?!

Not a good look, man.

If you've got analytics that could possibly disprove my eye test: I'm listening.

Simple, really.

Once upon a time a team traded for David Lee and Andrew Bogut. Then they signed Andre Iguodala.

View those names again. Nothin real sexy, right?

But they had drafted Steph, Dray, Klay, Barnes.

Add water (time) and watch them grow. Even swapped gardeners. (Coach)


If we keep this top 3, hopefully Ingram, we will have DLo, Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, Nance and #32. (What if 32 becomes even better young rook than Clarkson? )

So now we just need to spend 60 million.

Ska, I'm askin you, do you like All Stars? Durant, Demar, Horford available.
Do you like starters? Batum, Whiteside, Conley, Parsons, Ryan Anderson available.
Do you like role guys? Barnes, Ezeli, Bazemore, Soloman Hill available.

Me? I like All Stars. Feasible ones. Durant? Long shot. Horford? Long shot. Demar? From the LA area. Age 26. 23/4/4 a game.

So, if I sat in a room with Demar, Whiteside (also 26), and Batum (2 and said I have 20 mil a year for each you, to team up, in LA, with multiple lottery picks growing around you. And when they need their money, we can (and will) go over the cap to resign our own players. (Something you can't do with free agents)

So saying "I'm team Demar" is really "I'm logically looking to sign as much quality talent as I can to this young roster so that when DLo/Ingram or Randle become stars, we can pay them over the cap rather than being restricted in signing talent after they receive those paydays."

Sadly, there are no analytics to shorten that phrase.

My brothers in arms refuse to comprehend any of that plan. They have something against signing 26 year old All Stars to join our young stars.

Trade half our team for 1 26 year old All Star, that, they somehow prefer.

Maybe the trio will actually be Conley/Anderson and Parsons.

Or Durant/Horford

Or Whiteside/Batum and Conley

Or Barnes/Ezeli and Bazemore


There are multiple combinations that bring in actual NBA talent to compete while the young fellas learn.

Kobe, Roy, Lou wasn't very helpful (for winning) last year. The kids were also babies. As they mature into toddlers, elevating the Kobe/Roy/Lou trio to a younger group of Demar/Whiteside/Batum (or another trio like I listed) would do wonders for our amount of wins, in time.

Title in 2017? Not likely.

In position to start moving towards that for 2018, 19, and 20? Yep, very much so. (IF we develop DLo/Ingram/Randle/Clarkson into the talent we hope they become)

 

[essential1]

It's not thinking he'll change his game. He did make changes in his game this past season.

Already posted the stats when this debate started 2 weeks ago.

 

[MVP]

What is this getting Demar, Whiteside, and Batum in the same room? Do they have the same agent or something? Do they have any previous rapport or relationship ala Wade, Bron and Bosh to think they'd even want to play with each other or is this another big IF that has just as much of a chance of happening as us signing KD? Why would they take 15-20 million dollars less to come and not be a playoff team when their current situations offer more money and immediate opportunities to be competitive at the very least?

Also welcome aboard to the 2020 we'll be back contender timeline that I've been pushing for the last 3 seasons.  

 

[darthska]

CP, I think the only thing your brothers in arms MOSTLY have against DRoze is potentially backing a Brinks truck up to his house.

That man ain't $110 mil.

 

[pmatic]

Nevermind.

 

[MVP]

CP, I think the only thing your brothers in arms MOSTLY have against DRoze is potentially backing a Brinks truck up to his house.

That man ain't $110 mil.

That's 60% of it for me, that's what his All-Star status, as CP likes to mention at every turn, commands. The other 40% is I think you can duplicate what he gives you on the floor with a combo of Clarkson and Lou (scoring), without jeopardizing the development of your other guys because DD is pretty useless without the ball. And if you don't have him as a focal point, why the hell would you invest that much in him to begin with. 

 

[essential1]

So Whiteside is going to listen to a max deal to play with Kent Bazemore.

But nope he won't listen to a max deal with DeMar DeRozan?

Let's just pay Bazemore and Ezeli over $30mil a year for the next 4 seasons. Because that's a good plan.

And we can talk about empty stats and salivate on trading everything for DeMarcus Cousins. Because if you want to say DeMar is an empty stat guy, it comes right back to Cuz

 

[tonelow]

I hope you #TeamBaze guys are watching this game.

Can't see how you could pay 18mil to him but scoff at 25 to Demar.