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[Lizakers]

Currently watching a lakers 2001 playoff doc on Hulu
Phil had shaq shooting a technical foul free throw as an FU to the Portland Blazers

I remember that, Phil was straight G. Loved when he told Dantoni to shut the **** up and sit down

 

[darthska]

"What the hell is wrong with you? Sit down!"

 

[alfa]

"What the hell is wrong with you? Sit down!"

One of my favorite .gifs 

 

[fayetnam]

Is it possible to trade whatever assets we got minus DLo for PG
Contingent on if KD signs here to ball with PG
Plus signing whiteside

so we got

DLo
Clarkson
PG
Durant
Whiteside

 

[essential1]

Won't be able to trade Clarkson.

So it'd have to be Randle + Pick if Lottery Falls The Right Way + Nance + Lou Will + #32


A near 0% chance that the Pacers trade him anyway.

 

[fun guy]

If we gave up everything including DLo, I'm not sure it's enough to get it done. I'd do it though if it meant Durant would come here too. 

 

[essential1]

Would make it incredibly difficult to build a team, if you traded the entire cupboard for PG.

Unless you opt to sign role players before you sign any more starters.


Because if you then fill up your starting 5 using the rest of the cap in the offseason. Then you have only $20mil the following year to get quality role players, with the way the cap is going up, that will prove to be very difficult.

Would make for a great regular season team, but one bad break and you have very few answers.


For example:
KD + George = $44mil
Whiteside = $21mil
Swaggy Release = $2.2mil

If you wanted to fill a 4th starting spots, you have a maximum of ~$18.8mil when you factor in the Roster Space Cap Holds.

Then the rest of the team would be 1 year minimum salaries, and a Mini-MLE.

If you keep the 4 starters, Swaggy buyout money, and the Mini-MLE for 2017.... You have ~$15mil to fill the entire bench.

 

[essential1]

To add on to the other side of my last post....

The bright side of the young guys... Let's say the lottery benefits us (By the way, I still think we're losing the pick). But let's say we get lucky and take Brandon Ingram.

Russell, Ingram, Randle, Nance = $14.7mil.

And then we have a major coup, and sell top names to team up.

Let's say we go KD for $25.7mil, Whiteside for $21mil

You have Swaggy's release $2.2mil

Huertas, Black, Clarkson (Cap Holds) ~$5mil

#32 Pick = $845K

Lou WIll & Anthony Brown get traded for some sort of pick.


KD
Whiteside

Join

Russell
Ingram
Randle
Clarkson
Nance
Huertas
Black

We'd have $22mil in cap space after 2 more cap holds to say sign Nic Batum

Go into 2016-2017
Russell / Clarkson/ Huertas
Batum / Clarkson
KD / Ingram
Randle / Nance Jr.
Whiteside / Black

You then trade Clarkson mid-season or at the start of the offseason for a few picks because he's no longer cost controlled... Black, Huertas are gone after 2016-2017.

There is a TON of insurance on the team.

If Russell, Ingram, Nance & Randle all disappoint and are no better than fringe starters / role players. You could still add around a $15-17mil starter to Batum, KD & Whiteside, and then a final filler to close out the Starting 5 for 2017.

And still have a bench of Russell, Ingram, Randle & Nance.... Which would make for a dangerously deep team.

Hence why unless you really make out, trading all the young assets isn't the best move.

 

[sb]

To add on to the other side of my last post....

The bright side of the young guys... Let's say the lottery benefits us (By the way, I still think we're losing the pick). But let's say we get lucky and take Brandon Ingram.

Russell, Ingram, Randle, Nance = $14.7mil.

And then we have a major coup, and sell top names to team up.

Let's say we go KD for $25.7mil, Whiteside for $21mil

You have Swaggy's release $2.2mil

Huertas, Black, Clarkson (Cap Holds) ~$5mil

#32 Pick = $845K

Lou WIll & Anthony Brown get traded for some sort of pick.


KD
Whiteside

Join

Russell
Ingram
Randle
Clarkson
Nance
Huertas
Black

We'd have $22mil in cap space after 2 more cap holds to say sign Nic Batum

Go into 2016-2017
Russell / Clarkson/ Huertas
Batum / Clarkson
KD / Ingram
Randle / Nance Jr.
Whiteside / Black

You then trade Clarkson mid-season or at the start of the offseason for a few picks because he's no longer cost controlled... Black, Huertas are gone after 2016-2017.

There is a TON of insurance on the team.

If Russell, Ingram, Nance & Randle all disappoint and are no better than fringe starters / role players. You could still add around a $15-17mil starter to Batum, KD & Whiteside, and then a final filler to close out the Starting 5 for 2017.

And still have a bench of Russell, Ingram, Randle & Nance.... Which would make for a dangerously deep team.

Hence why unless you really make out, trading all the young assets isn't the best move.

[emoji]129300[/emoji]

 

[Los Angeles]

When do we find out the draft order?

 

[essential1]

When do we find out the draft order?

May 17 at 8,

Mitch may kill everyone on live TV

 

[fun guy]

Would make it incredibly difficult to build a team, if you traded the entire cupboard for PG.

Unless you opt to sign role players before you sign any more starters.


Because if you then fill up your starting 5 using the rest of the cap in the offseason. Then you have only $20mil the following year to get quality role players, with the way the cap is going up, that will prove to be very difficult.

Would make for a great regular season team, but one bad break and you have very few answers.


For example:
KD + George = $44mil
Whiteside = $21mil
Swaggy Release = $2.2mil

If you wanted to fill a 4th starting spots, you have a maximum of ~$18.8mil when you factor in the Roster Space Cap Holds.

Then the rest of the team would be 1 year minimum salaries, and a Mini-MLE.

If you keep the 4 starters, Swaggy buyout money, and the Mini-MLE for 2017.... You have ~$15mil to fill the entire bench.

My scenario is that KD doesn't come unless we get PG on the roster. In which case, it would be worth it to get those to guys, but still not ideal as you point out. I'd say fill out the role players rather than sign Whiteside.

Trade DLo + randle + pick + lou to balance out contracts.

Clarkson (1 year at 18 mil) -- get his bird rights and sign him over the cap next year

PG

Durant

Nance

A.Brown

NY 

+ 20 mil and exceptions to fill out the roster (ie. Biyombo/Mahinmi at 10-12 mil, Lin at 8 mil) 

Next season, you get an extra $20 + $18 mil from clarkson (cause we'd resign him over the cap). Plenty of max level PGs in 2017 (westbrook, CP3, Lowry). Then fill out the roster with whats left.  A core of CP3, Durant, and PG are contenders every year. We'd be capped out for years, so picking to role players will be key in whether this team can win it all.

 

[ValarMorghulis]

To add on to the other side of my last post....


KD
Whiteside

Join

Russell
Ingram
Randle
Clarkson
Nance
Huertas
Black

We'd have $22mil in cap space after 2 more cap holds to say sign Nic Batum

Go into 2016-2017
Russell / Clarkson/ Huertas
Batum / Clarkson
KD / Ingram
Randle / Nance Jr.
Whiteside / Black

Which also has a 0% chance of happening to join your 0% chance of PG being a Laker.

If we don't have attractive assets no big-time free agent is coming.

Maybe in 2017 or 2018 when the youngins bloom they bring in some talent based on their talents.

 

[Lizakers]

I like Huertas but let's not forget, Luke will bring Farmar back, please believe it lol

 

[fun guy]

As a coach, right?

 

[licensed to ball]

Farmer would be a great 15th man.
Wouldn't be mad.

 

[ValarMorghulis]

Batum
Horford
Speights

IMO are all reasonable/attainable targets, you go after them first, then look to KD or Whiteside and say hey come join us we got actual legit veterans to help you.

 

[MVP]

Batum
Horford
Speights

IMO are all reasonable/attainable targets, you go after them first, then look to KD or Whiteside and say hey come join us we got actual legit veterans to help you.

Horford...not really
Batum...all signs point to him staying in Charlotte
Speights...meh, he's a guy you go after everybody else turns you down


Whiteside is by far the most attainable because of his current situation and the Heat's cap conundrum.
Next or maybe even ahead of him unfortunately is Derozan.

 

[essential1]

My scenario is that KD doesn't come unless we get PG on the roster. In which case, it would be worth it to get those to guys, but still not ideal as you point out. I'd say fill out the role players rather than sign Whiteside.

Trade DLo + randle + pick + lou to balance out contracts.

Clarkson (1 year at 18 mil) -- get his bird rights and sign him over the cap next year
PG
Durant
Nance
A.Brown
NY 
+ 20 mil and exceptions to fill out the roster (ie. Biyombo/Mahinmi at 10-12 mil, Lin at 8 mil) 

Next season, you get an extra $20 + $18 mil from clarkson (cause we'd resign him over the cap). Plenty of max level PGs in 2017 (westbrook, CP3, Lowry). Then fill out the roster with whats left.  A core of CP3, Durant, and PG are contenders every year. We'd be capped out for years, so picking to role players will be key in whether this team can win it all.

Isn't how the CBA would work on Clarkson.

Signing him for 1 year $18mil does give us his bird rights. That is correct.

BUT he would have a cap hold on him around the range of his previous contract.

So his $18mil would count toward the cap as a cap hold, and unless you decline his hold/bird rights, we lose that cap space.

You'd essentially have to sign him under the cap.

Also there's no reason it would make sense for him to turn down 4 year / $50mil that will likely be on the table for 1 year / $18mil.

You also cannot guarantee him future money.

There is no way around that Trading all the young players is extremely short sighted. And potentially as risky or more risky than just sowing your seeds and hope they bear fruit.

 

[ValarMorghulis]

if you're not OK with giving DD the max then you should also be against giving that head case whiteside coming off minor (potentially major) knee injury the max... which is what he will want.

Riles may do some Jedi trick and get him to stay for less

 

[MVP]

if you're not OK with giving DD the max then you should also be against giving that head case whiteside coming off minor (potentially major) knee injury the max... which is what he will want.

Riles may do some Jedi trick and get him to stay for less

I'm ok with giving Whiteside the max cause he actually fits a glaring need we have and will not hamper what the young kids need to do to flourish. Horford fits that same mold. DD only does one thing and needs the ball.

 

[dceja]

God I really hope mitch is watching the raptors and seeing what dd really is...plz don't sign him

 

[mr j 858]

 

[mr j 858]

This interview

Question: Kobe what was one thing a opposing fan said to you that you never forgot.
Kobe: I remember in the 05-06 season in Sacramento a fan directly behind the scores table saying "You can't win without Shaq". Flash forward to 2009 Lakers are back in Sacramento and he looks at the same fan directly

 

[619destroyer858]

Whiteside will be out of consideration as a potential big bucks FA,,foo cant even play a full game of playoffs,,his knee will determine if he's worth the risk