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We got a steal maybe the year before in the consensus number 3 prospect from high school in Julius Randle (behind Drew and Jabari) at number 7. He didn't have the most dominant of seasons but you saw a lot there. The deficiencies that were there in college are still there (defense, trouble finishing over length) but the positives have translated as well. The playmaker, high motor, rebounder etc.

Can't say that many if any of D'Lo's positives (vision, great shooting, confidence) have translated at all. Yet all his deficiencies even as a top 3 prospect have been on display for the world to see and criticize. I'm hoping he turns it around, but it's not going to happen with this roster or the personnel around him it's not a good fit.

Randle is playing for Byron as well and doesn't seem to be getting killed by everyone.
 
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Vincent Van Ho said:
I get what Mamba is getting at but at the same time you don't want to think in such black and white terms. To his credit, generally speaking, factually is Mamba wrong? 

For CP and Essential, can you give examples that contradict Mamba's line of thought? Best ones off the top for me are Dame, Paul George, Harden, Steph. Of course none of these guys were one and dones but they weren't the top of the HS ranks and made teams pay for not drafting them earlier. But in general I can't think of a ton of examples proving him wrong
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True, but how often is a player considered a top recruit coming into college then falls off?

Josh Selby, Austin rivers, shabazz Muhammad.

Besides that, why would you base your argument about the NBA on HIGH SCHOOL rankings??

Mamba you bring up Julius' ranking, you know who was right behind him that year? The Harrison twins! You know who was ranked #25? Joel Embiid.

Chill.
 
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Randle is playing for Byron as well and doesn't seem to be getting killed by everyone.
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I asked the question earlier but I guess you didn't see it. I just don't get how you can hate Russell but praise Randle. They're basically having the same season.
 
Vincent Van Ho said:
I get what Mamba is getting at but at the same time you don't want to think in such black and white terms. To his credit, generally speaking, factually is Mamba wrong? 

For CP and Essential, can you give examples that contradict Mamba's line of thought? Best ones off the top for me are Westbrook, Dame, Paul George, Harden, Steph. Of course none of these guys were one and dones but they weren't the top of the HS ranks and made teams pay for not drafting them earlier. But in general I can't think of a ton of examples proving him wrong
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Best ones off the top for me are Westbrook, Dame, Paul George, Harden, Steph.
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I mean........ :lol:

It doesn't matter that out of High School Russell wasn't a highly rated NBA Draft prospect. He played the year, same as all the other Freshamn, and he EARNED his high draft status. It wasn't "out of nowhere" as he puts it, with "two workouts" That is ludicrous.

He played the same season the other freshman did.


Besides, I know why Mamba really doesn't like him. He had his heart set on Oak or Towns, and told anybody that would listen we would never go after DLo. He thinks PG's are a dime a dozen, and that Russ Westbrook will be here in 2017.
 
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True, but how often is a player considered a top recruit coming into college then falls off?

Josh Selby, Austin rivers, shabazz Muhammad.

Besides that, why would you base your argument about the NBA on HIGH SCHOOL rankings??

Mamba you bring up Julius' ranking, you know who was right behind him that year? The Harrison twins! You know who was ranked #25? Joel Embiid.

Chill.
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Basing prospects on their High School careers/rankings makes much more sense (at least to the Mamba's of the world) when projecting one and dones
 
Yall still wont answer the question. You passing on Skal, Ben, Jaylen, or Ingram for somebody who's sure to have a great season and shoot up the boards by the time the draft comes around while the other top prospects have great seasons in their own right.

And it's funny you mention Embiid cause he was that guy the year before with the D'Lo like ascent.
 
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Basing prospects on their High School careers/rankings makes much more sense (at least to the Mamba's of the world) when projecting one and dones
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I get that. Although in every one else's world you should probably take the whole body of work into consideration.

Dude just dislikes Russell for whatever reason, which is fine by me. But don't bring lazy arguments into it.
 
EXCELLENT point on the Harrison twins. Maybe one of them would put Mamba at ease, cuz, touted. :lol:


The bottom line is currently we have Clarkson, Kobe, Lou, Swaggy, and Huertas as guards/wings that need the ball. And DLo the rookie dealin with that.

Whereas with Mudiay, he is the ball, every possession. He makes the call, good or bad, and learns from it, he just feeds the other players, he doesn't have to beg for the ball.


When we lose Scott, and Kobe leaves, and hopefully either one of Lou or Nick, that will free the ball up a lot more, DLo will start to develop better then.

The Suns had Jason Kidd AND Kevin Johnson on the roster when they drafted Steve Nash. And Nash didn't get much of a chance to shine. He was age 22-23 those 2 years.

The Suns cut him loose to the Mavs for his third year. 2 short years there, and he finally started to emerge, at age 26. Age, 26.

D'Angelo Russell is 19, has played 11 games, and people want him cut off at the knee because of heart, and passion. :smh:
 
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Yall still wont answer the question. You passing on Skal, Ben, Jaylen, or Ingram for somebody who's sure to have a great season and shoot up the boards by the time the draft comes around while the other top prospects have great seasons in their own right.

And it's funny you mention Embiid cause he was that guy the year before with the D'Lo like ascent.
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Yes, if they stand out in more ways than those guys do.

Maybe the next Embiid emerges above Skal. (but healthy)

Maybe a better PF, or SF option emerges, and bumps Randle to a LO type role off the bench.

Hell, maybe another PG emerges, and blows the NCAA away, and makes DLo the 3rd G type swing.

Skal, Ben, Jaylen, and Ingram aren't going top 4 in the draft because of their High School work. Be real.

Okafor is surely skilled offensively, but he's just as limited defensively, and Mitch saw that. Maybe he sees Russell being a guy that CAN learn to play both sides of the ball, ala, bigger overall impact.

May I remind you you also knocked the Nance drafting, and he seems to be much better than anyone expected as well. And from the small glimpses, Anthony Brown looks decent in his own right. Randle/Clarkson do as well.

Mitch pisses me off with his trade/non trade dealings, but as a scout, he has an eye. He learned from West, he can spot a player.

If a kid makes a splash at the NCAA level this year, and moves up the draft boards, there's no doubt he can and will go earlier than you'd like, doesn't mean he's not worthy.
 
It's apparent to me that we haven't had a lotto pick in a while and people just forget how this is supposed to go. Bynum was a year younger than dlo when he was a rookie. People thought he was a bust early on too. Dlo looks similar in certain ways as far as being a teenage rookie trying to adjust but overall he's drastically better than what drew was
 
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It's apparent to me that we haven't had a lotto pick in a while and people just forget how this is supposed to go. Bynum was a year younger than dlo when he was a rookie. People thought he was a bust early on too. Dlo looks similar in certain ways but overall he's drastically better than what drew was
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Man, this is two in two nights. :smh:

I'm gonna go shower. :lol:
 
Dead on, Bynum was RAW. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW and you all wanna talk about passion, and heart. Dude has zero.

But he learned how to play, and he became a damn monster. Injuries just took him from the league too soon. :smh:
 
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All this negativity around Dlo is very alarming
And basketball analysts , former coaches and players are talking about it on radio and tv as well
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And there are plenty of reporters and analysts going in on his lack of playing time/defined role. There's not just one narrative out there on him... not that it would really prove anything if there were.
 
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ToneLow said:
Mamba MVP said:
Randle is playing for Byron as well and doesn't seem to be getting killed by everyone.
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I asked the question earlier but I guess you didn't see it. I just don't get how you can hate Russell but praise Randle. They're basically having the same season.
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To be fair while they do share the same lows Randle's highs this year are higher than Dlo's highs
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Right. But again the difference in their play isn't enough to justify the negativity towards Russell.

They've both had flashes of good and bad. Julius took advantage of a 40 yr old Dirk, besides that they've been about the same.
 
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Dead on, Bynum was RAW. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW and you all wanna talk about passion, and heart. Dude has zero.

But he learned how to play, and he became a damn monster. Injuries just took him from the league too soon. :smh:
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Yup. Bynum was timid, passive, and raw as hell. Showed damn near nothing his rookie year and worked his way to best center in the league conversations. I'm trusting the scouts on this one. If they saw something in dlo I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt. Especially since they worked out almost the entire draft class and should have an idea of what the talent pool is like
 
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Must missed that the Harrison twins were one and done could have sworn they stayed another year because they weren't ready.

If not for the idiot NBA's one and done rule none of these top guys would be in college anyway which is an entirely different discussion because it is totally dependent on circumstance (coaching, other good prospects, playing time, etc.)

If it's between a guy who's been a the top since his sophomore or junior year of high school that has a great season and a somewhat unknown or unheralded guy who has great season to elevate his status, best believe I'm going with the former.

I wish these buffoons would take someone over (Skal, Ben, Ingram, Jaylen) if they keep that pick. I'll kill Mitch myself.

And you also keep ignoring the expectations that come with the #2 pick. This isn't a late lottery pick that will get the 2-3 year cycle and doesn't cost as much if he doesn't pan out. This isn't Kobe at #13 or Bynum at #10 not to mention the situations at the time were different.
 
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ESPN Class of 2014 High School Basketball Rankings

# 9 - Karl Anthony-Towns
#13 - D'Angelo Russell
# 15 - Justise Winslow




A funny one... 2007 #18 Blake Griffin.


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At the same time, Russell was a 5 star recruit 
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Yup. Also a McDonald's All-American.. Although ESPN had him as a 2. He was the # 1 SG ranked.
 
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Marcus Smart
Dante exum
Elfrid Payton
Nik Stauskas
Emmanuel Mudiay

Which one of these guys is playing head and shoulders above russell right now?

Only way to dead this is to let russ develop. Until then the takes will be scorching
 
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You can't say that without even seeing them actually preform man. It makes no sense, at all.

Hell, there are some that think the kid from Cal could actually be the best player in the draft, but he may not even go Top 3. System, coach holding him back, etc. :nerd:

Remember Kansas holding Wiggins back a bit? Asking him to do things THEY needed, not just showcasing him for the NBA. Lots of players deal with that in college.

Randle dealt with that at Kentucky, so did Towns.

You can't judge players on pre season rankings, come on man. :lol:
 
Essential1 said:
ESPN Class of 2014 High School Basketball Rankings

# 9 - Karl Anthony-Towns
#13 - D'Angelo Russell
# 15 - Justise Winslow




A funny one... 2007 #18 Blake Griffin.
Yup. Also a McDonald's All-American.. Although ESPN had him as a 2. He was the # 1 SG ranked.
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To be fair, Scout had KAT at 4 and Rivals had him at 6

But yeah, KAT shot up the board when a MAJORITY to start the college year had Okafor undisputed cement locked in at #1
 
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Dude, you can't be serious. Grayson Allen couldn't hardly get off the bench his frosh year

DLO coming back would have only hurt his stock
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If he had not gone to Ohio State to be the guy he probably wouldn't have made nearly the impact he did either. I also take stock into going to play with other highly ranked players, that's why what KAT, Randle, Jah, Winslow did last year was impressive to me. The fact that tOSU allowed him to play point instead of the 2, allowed him to mask a lot of his deficiencies.
 
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