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Some of you guys really discount many things that are pretty obvious as to what is going on with the rookies.
1. Russell, Randle, Clarkson & even Nance want to run the ball.. Byron wants it to be slowed up, half court sets. Miraculously, we are middle of the pack in PACE. Because they by second nature try to get it up quick off a rebound.
2. The pieces don't fit. Hibbert doesn't fit, Kobe doesn't fit, Bass doesn't fit, Kelly doesn't fit, Lou Will could fit, but not the way the rotations are handled.
3. Erratic rotations.
4. Bench guys for not being good enough, then when they are good enough and are in the SLU, they get demoted again.
5. Byron is trying to humble these young guys needlessly. I don't want to hear a damn word about old school coaching, etc. etc., Byron doesn't pick and choose his fights.
It's one thing to try and break a bad habit, it's entirely another to backhanded compliment, ridicule, and condescend guys at every turn.
6. If guys are passive they don't play, if they are too aggressive, they are trying to take over, and won't play.
7. They can't close games because it's too close and they are rookies, they can't close other games because the lead is too big.
8. You guys do know that Byron's offense is Russell passing around the perimeter, that's what he wants, that's what the Princeton calls for. There's a lot of motion in the Princeton, but it's a very methodical offense.
9. Russell has no idea what the hell he's doing out there.. And some of it is being inexperienced, but a lot of it stems from if he does it one way he won't play, if he goes the other way toward what Byron wants, it's too much. Byron has essentially neutered him.
How Byron runs a team is not how a guy with young players needs to run a team, and there's not a single person other than James Worthy who believes this.
Russell Westbrook wasn't very good his rookie year by the way..
This, they can't be all-stars is nonsense. And the eye test as the end all be all of judging players is really an antiquated way of looking at things, when the results prove otherwise. Yes, the eye test accounts for something, but it really means nothing when everything your eyes tell you is wrong, which happens a lot to judging players.
Also that Towns & Wiggins led team is a whopping 5 games better than us. And they actually have a better fitting team.
1. Russell, Randle, Clarkson & even Nance want to run the ball.. Byron wants it to be slowed up, half court sets. Miraculously, we are middle of the pack in PACE. Because they by second nature try to get it up quick off a rebound.
2. The pieces don't fit. Hibbert doesn't fit, Kobe doesn't fit, Bass doesn't fit, Kelly doesn't fit, Lou Will could fit, but not the way the rotations are handled.
3. Erratic rotations.
4. Bench guys for not being good enough, then when they are good enough and are in the SLU, they get demoted again.
5. Byron is trying to humble these young guys needlessly. I don't want to hear a damn word about old school coaching, etc. etc., Byron doesn't pick and choose his fights.
It's one thing to try and break a bad habit, it's entirely another to backhanded compliment, ridicule, and condescend guys at every turn.
6. If guys are passive they don't play, if they are too aggressive, they are trying to take over, and won't play.
7. They can't close games because it's too close and they are rookies, they can't close other games because the lead is too big.
8. You guys do know that Byron's offense is Russell passing around the perimeter, that's what he wants, that's what the Princeton calls for. There's a lot of motion in the Princeton, but it's a very methodical offense.
9. Russell has no idea what the hell he's doing out there.. And some of it is being inexperienced, but a lot of it stems from if he does it one way he won't play, if he goes the other way toward what Byron wants, it's too much. Byron has essentially neutered him.
How Byron runs a team is not how a guy with young players needs to run a team, and there's not a single person other than James Worthy who believes this.
Russell Westbrook wasn't very good his rookie year by the way..
This, they can't be all-stars is nonsense. And the eye test as the end all be all of judging players is really an antiquated way of looking at things, when the results prove otherwise. Yes, the eye test accounts for something, but it really means nothing when everything your eyes tell you is wrong, which happens a lot to judging players.
Also that Towns & Wiggins led team is a whopping 5 games better than us. And they actually have a better fitting team.
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Stop what?? You picked out 1 sentence out of about 4 messages I wrote. It mentioned Bynum and I said I liked his footwork at an early age and he seemed to understand the game.
That truly isn't even the point of the conversation, I didn't write all that crap to talk about Andrew Bynum.
It was to talk about Russell and Randle. The iq they possess and the effort they display on the basketball court among other things,
But please carry this Andrew Bynum thing on.
And I will still say that I liked his footwork. But that's beside the point,
You want to talk about Russell and randle and the other Laker current players cool. Than we can talk. But I'm done talking about Andrew Bynum
Oh and for the record a young Kobe could beat his man off the dribble without a ball screen, I know that,
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At the end of the day I hope Russell and randle pan out for the lakers I do.
I still don't see them being stars. I see good players though and good pieces with proper coaching and effort
I will say I live randles work ethic and how hard he plays. Any coach would love to have a player that plays with that kind of effort. Hopefully he will refine the other things.
I will say the exact opposite for Russell and his effort. I hate it. It's unreal how lazy he plays.
I still don't see them being stars. I see good players though and good pieces with proper coaching and effort
I will say I live randles work ethic and how hard he plays. Any coach would love to have a player that plays with that kind of effort. Hopefully he will refine the other things.
I will say the exact opposite for Russell and his effort. I hate it. It's unreal how lazy he plays.
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Russell is consistently one of the last guys at practice.. This is something we went through almost 2 months ago.
Including today when he was putting in extra work on shooting the 3, and post moves.
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Are you at practice ? Lol
Or just heard people talking about it.
So fine he works on extra things in practice.
What's with his effort in games?
I know clarkson randle and nance are trying.
And don't blame Byron for his lack of effort.
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It might be confusing that when you try to show some aggressiveness on the court, you get called out by your coach for trying to take over the game.
You know absolutely nothing about their IQ. Nothing. As in not one single solitary thing. You have no idea what they do or don't know. You're just making **** up to sound like you have a complaint.
Hell, Byron got a high basketball IQ, he played at the top level, won titles, competed vs the best. Even coached in a Finals. Is B Scott a high IQ guy?
Exactly.
They are kids. Playin their first 50 career games in the NBA. They will improve over the next 50. And the 50 after that. Etc. It's how learning works.
You don't believe in them yet, that's fine. You have that right. But stop with your made up "he doesn't blow by his man enough" drivel.
Rajon Rondo wasn't blownin by folks as a rook much either.
Lillard was like 22-23 as a rookie, not 19.
Steve Nash wasn't doin **** for years before his game grew.
Just stop dude. Their games will grow. Stop thinking in a current bubble. Players evolve. It takes time. Every sport, every athlete.
Hell, Byron got a high basketball IQ, he played at the top level, won titles, competed vs the best. Even coached in a Finals. Is B Scott a high IQ guy?
Exactly.
They are kids. Playin their first 50 career games in the NBA. They will improve over the next 50. And the 50 after that. Etc. It's how learning works.
You don't believe in them yet, that's fine. You have that right. But stop with your made up "he doesn't blow by his man enough" drivel.
Rajon Rondo wasn't blownin by folks as a rook much either.
Lillard was like 22-23 as a rookie, not 19.
Steve Nash wasn't doin **** for years before his game grew.
Just stop dude. Their games will grow. Stop thinking in a current bubble. Players evolve. It takes time. Every sport, every athlete.
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And here we have why you have guys who are disinterested, don't know what to do, don't know what to ask, and don't know where to be.
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And here we have why you have guys who are disinterested, don't know what to do, don't know what to ask, and don't know where to be.
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Dude. I don't have to stop anything. Just because you think I should. Nice try. You aren't the one to tell people what to say and what not to say because you think you are always right. Dude.
I also never said they can't grow as players. Never said that. So stop putting words in my mouth. Dude.
Why do I have to stop with the fact that Russel can never get by his man off the dribble? Why?
When it's the flat out truth. He can't get by his guy. He's done it a handful of times over his short NBA career.
Can he develop that I hope. I really do. But he can't get by his guy. Not in the NBA season. Not in preseason. Not in summer league. It happens on a rare occasion.
So nah I won't stop with that drivel because you think I should.
Got it. Dude,
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Speed and quickness needed to beat a defending PG is not simply something you work on in the offseason and magically develop
You either have it or you don't, otherwise Eric Snow and Derek Fisher would have been the greatest attackers and layup finishers ever because they were so hard working
You either have it or you don't, otherwise Eric Snow and Derek Fisher would have been the greatest attackers and layup finishers ever because they were so hard working
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Oh and another thing. We keep talking about what he can be in the. Future.
Could he be a great left handed guard like Manu ginobli or James harden. I sure hope so. I really do.
With hard work. Getting a trainer. Maybe In 3-4 years that will be a reality.
For the lakers I hope he does.
But I'm talking about RIGHT now.
I see a 19 year old kid who is still learning obviously.
But I also see a kid who is going through the motions and plays nonchalant, if you don't see that than we don't even need to be talking.
I se a kid who always looks like he is jogging, always.
But whatever. It's all byrons fault.
I see clarkson and randle hustling.
Could he be a great left handed guard like Manu ginobli or James harden. I sure hope so. I really do.
With hard work. Getting a trainer. Maybe In 3-4 years that will be a reality.
For the lakers I hope he does.
But I'm talking about RIGHT now.
I see a 19 year old kid who is still learning obviously.
But I also see a kid who is going through the motions and plays nonchalant, if you don't see that than we don't even need to be talking.
I se a kid who always looks like he is jogging, always.
But whatever. It's all byrons fault.
I see clarkson and randle hustling.
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100% agree. On point sir.
Dude, you're bout as bright as a burnt out light bulb.
"Can't get by his guy"
"Done it a handful of times"
Dude.
Dude.
Dude.
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Who is mamba2481? I never seen him post til now
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[quote name="Lizaker4Lizife"]Speed and quickness needed to beat a defending PG is not simply something you work on in the offseason and magically develop
You either have it or you don't, otherwise Eric Snow and Derek Fisher would have been the greatest attackers and layup finishers ever because they were so hard working[/quote]Are you suggesting that someone can't become quicker?
You either have it or you don't, otherwise Eric Snow and Derek Fisher would have been the greatest attackers and layup finishers ever because they were so hard working[/quote]Are you suggesting that someone can't become quicker?
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It's probably Bryon ScottSome dude that saw greatness out of Bynum's 7 minutes a game and knew he'd be great off of Andrew's knowledge of the game.
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I'm saying you can't go from not being able to beat an NBA PG off the dribble to getting past those defenders consistently through offseason workouts and "growth".
DLO has good end to end full court speed but not enough lateral quickness or a quick first step to get by a defender at his position without a screen
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