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[BIG LEEMELONE]

I'm still not sure what the problem is . I don't see how it effects anything besides maybe the luxury tax

 

[CP1708]

Amazing.

 

[jab step]

In regards to signing him to 2 year contract:

The first reason is that they got him cheap and non guaranteed, meaning that if he didn't pan out, there was no contract risk. 

The second thing is that by giving him a two year deal, they made him an Arenas rule free agent. This has a few Perks: 

First, he's restricted, which means they can match any offer. Second, it limits the amount he can be offered to the MLE in the first year of a deal, a 4.5% raise from that in year two, and then up to the max in years 3 and 4. 

Because of the Arenas rule, the team signing him would have to have cap space equal to the average salary of the deal (probably around 13 million on a max four year offer), and would have that amount count against the cap each year. But the Lakers would only have to hold a qualifying offer of around 1.2 million ( or 2.7 million if he met starter qualifications (start 41 games or play 2,000 minutes) against their cap. They could then sign other players, and even if they used up their cap room before he received an offer, they could still match using the Arenas provision. 

Even better, his actual salary would count against their cap for each year, so for the first two years, he would only be a MLE level cap hit, and wouldn't hit the cap heavily until 2018. 

The team could also ask him to do one of three things: 

Take the qualifying offer and become a full Bird rights free agent in 2017. In this case he would get paid a year earlier, but he would still be restricted. 

Take an early bird contract of up to four years starting at the MLE with 4.5% raises each year (which they could give him after using up their cap space). This is the most they could offer without using cap space and without matching another offer. 

Sign him to a larger deal (anything up to the lowest level max for up to four years with 4.5% raises ) using cap space. 

Lots of options, and best of all, he has no way to become unrestricted. At worst he can take the QO, but again, he's restricted the next year. 

In regards to knowing what we know now was it better to get him on that 3-4 year contract:

Not necessarily. Given that he is a second rounder, locking up for that amount of time (if he accepts such a deal, which is debatable) gives you his Bird rights, but he becomes an unrestricted free agent, meaning you could lose him. With the two year deal and Arenas rights, you all but ensure if he pans out that you will have him from 6 (he signs an arenas deal that you match) to eight (he signs a qualifying offer and then a five year deal afterwards while still restricted) years. And in the case of matching an Arenas deal, in years five and six you are paying him no less than what a lotto pick that pans out would get, while getting him cheaper over the first four years

None of this is my information. I just read about it somewhere else a few months ago.

 

[darthska]

[quote name="PMatic"]View media item 1755051
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/10/20/nba-scouts-preview-warriors-spurs-knicks-lakers-cavaliers-rockets[/quote]Kobe, lost it 'a bit'.

A bit.

A bit?! Son had played how many games the last 3 years?

And Randle has all the makings of a bust? I mean, if the logic for that is simply to entertain all possibilities, then, yeah, he could be a bust... and he could also be some Wilt/Magic clone.

But if it's based on what has been seen, how does he have all the makings of a bust?

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

jab step thanks for that. I thought I remembered seeing something about how the lakers put themselves in the best position they could with clarkson's deal

 

[youngwolf]

Wow
We already know what Sacre is after 3 years
Why not keep Upshaw who has more upside?

This tells me that the decision was not only based on being a better locker room guy, but also on work ethic. I really don't like Sacre, and expected him to be cut, but I can tel thatl he's one of those guys that may not be the best but will always bust his *** in practice, drills, and, when given a shot, games. The only reason to give up on potential, is if you believe that the potential will never be reached. So it comes down to the guy who could one day be good but doesn't really work hard, and the guy who isn't that good but busts his *** everyday. Given the two, I'll always roll with the latter since he'll make the other guys on the team work a little bit harder.

 

[MVP]

What?! Sacre is terrible no matter now hard he works. At least give the kid a chance. So help me if he gets picked up by someway else and pulls a Whiteside.

 

[jab step]

What?! Sacre is terrible no matter now hard he works. At least give the kid a chance. So help me if he gets picked up by someway else and pulls a Whiteside.

Why is it so hard for you/others to understand he didn't hold up his end of the bargain? There were still issues behind the scenes. We know absolutely nothing about what happens behind the scenes, but respectable guys like Pincus are saying (without getting into any details) that Upshaw wasn't doing what the Lakers wanted for him to get a spot. 

After getting kicked out of two programs and going undrafted you'd think a guy would avoid any trouble. It's like you guys are totally disregarding this important piece of information. 

 

[MVP]

We're not disregarding anything, fact is there were similar issues with Whiteside when he tried out for LA. So these guys haven't exactly had a good track record in dealing with our evaluating "troubled" players without Phil. And especially when the alternative is what to amounts so a team mascot.

 

[mj 23]

Our front office is ran by a bunch of idiots.

Srs.

 

[jab step]

We're not disregarding anything, fact is there were similar issues with Whiteside when he tried out for LA. So these guys haven't exactly had a good track record in dealing with our evaluating "troubled" players without Phil. And especially when the alternative is what to amounts so a team mascot.

I don't think the issues Whiteside had are close to the issues Upshaw possibly may have. But that's just me inferring, so I may be wrong. But I think it's safe to say Upshaw definitely has/had something major going on in his life. If the Lakers gave an undrafted guy who got kicked out of two schools a chance and he didn't fulfill his obligations how is it the FO's fault?

Anyway Phil wasn't the ones evaluating those troubled players. Mitch was still the one making moves. 

 

[kal-el-8]

Our front office is ran by a bunch of idiots.

Srs.

Get Ryan Kelly in second round

Get Jordan Clarkson in second round

Pick D'lo while the whole world thought it'd be Okafor

Get Randle at 7

Set up for Kobe to leave and slots for 2 max players

*idiots*

 

[MVP]

I don't think the issues Whiteside had are close to the issues Upshaw possibly may have. But that's just me inferring, so I may be wrong. But I think it's safe to say Upshaw definitely has/had something major going on in his life. If the Lakers gave an undrafted guy who got kicked out of two schools a chance and he didn't fulfill his obligations how is it the FO's fault?

Anyway Phil wasn't the ones evaluating those troubled players. Mitch was still the one making moves. 

Phil wasn't the one making the moves but he was the person who could mold and mesh certain personalities. Whiteside had and still has red flags related to his anger management and before his work ethic that have been well documented.

 

[Lizakers]

Great piece by Chris Palmer about Lamar via Bleacher Report

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article..._campaign=programming-national?is_shared=true

 

[lovehateself]

 

Our front office is ran by a bunch of idiots.

Srs.

Get Ryan Kelly in second round

Get Jordan Clarkson in second round

Pick D'lo while the whole world thought it'd be Okafor

Get Randle at 7

Set up for Kobe to leave and slots for 2 max players

*idiots*

waits for the "they gave Nick Young to an extension" post 

 

[youngwolf]

If you make decisions based on "well, Whiteside turned out pretty good," then your going to end moving backwards and out of a job.

Whiteside is a one in a million story. He's the exception, not the rule.

 

[MVP]

Get Ryan Kelly in second round
Get Jordan Clarkson in second round
Pick D'lo while the whole world thought it'd be Okafor
Get Randle at 7
Set up for Kobe to leave and slots for 2 max players


*idiots*

Uhhh so far only Clarkson and cap space this summer have panned out. So pending idiots. There's equally a number of missteps.

 

[kal-el-8]

 

Get Ryan Kelly in second round
Get Jordan Clarkson in second round
Pick D'lo while the whole world thought it'd be Okafor
Get Randle at 7
Set up for Kobe to leave and slots for 2 max players


*idiots*

Uhhh so far only Clarkson and cap space this summer have panned out. So pending idiots. There's equally a number of missteps.

I'm not a fan on thinking as negatively as I used to. So while you're right, I'm extremely optimistic that it will all pan out. Kelly is actually looking like a player, D'lo will be fine in a year, Randle will be good to phenomenal most nights.

I haven't always agreed with all of the front office decisions, however I see the thought process behind them, and am excited about the Lakers. 

If yall wanna ***** and moan all season fine, but I'll be excited about the growth and steps we take to get back to the Larry O'Brein trophy.

 

[mr j 858]

 

[sea manup]

If you make decisions based on "well, Whiteside turned out pretty good," then your going to end moving backwards and out of a job.

Whiteside is a one in a million story. He's the exception, not the rule.

but if the choice is between "this guy has a tiny chance at being like whiteside" and "robert sacre"...

it should be a no brainer 

 

[MVP]

but if the choice is between "this guy has a tiny chance at being like whiteside" and "robert sacre"...

it should be a no brainer 

This low risk high reward situation.

 

[youngwolf]

Here's the thing though, he doesn't have a tiny chance at "being like Whiteside."

And even if that was the situation, you only do that on a veteran team. Not on a team comprised of a lot of young talent.

 

[sea manup]

Here's the thing though, he doesn't have a tiny chance at "being like Whiteside."

but if he can catch a basketball at a 70% rate he's already better than sacre 

 

[LakerSkumz]

SacreBleu is on the Lakers because he sets the best screens in the league 

 

[MVP]

Here's the thing though, he doesn't have a tiny chance at "being like Whiteside."

And even if that was the situation, you only do that on a veteran team. Not on a team comprised of a lot of young talent.

How do you know? Whiteside didn't have a chance of being Whiteside according to the talent evaluators of the Lakers.

Silly me for thinking about young nucleus would be better to grow together none of the bets on this team matter.

Regardless of what he will become you don't choose a team mascot over at worst should be a serviceable rim protector.