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[essential1]

Here's the thing about Byron, D-Lo, and life in general.

If he's going to be great, Byron not playing him enough won't stop him.

Byron can either be his excuse, or an  obstacle.

Totally his choice.

If 10 years from now dude is an absolute bust, "Man, he got drafted into effing BYRON SCOTT'S hands" will simply be an excuse.

He's been good so far.. Not great.

And of course, I agree with this.

But being a PG in the league isn't easy. And Byron isn't helping him.

Eventually it gets to the point that you've played in the league long enough that you see things yourself. And a coach may hold you back, but the significance of it diminishes, and you are the player you are.

Our problem, or at least my problem.. Is that Byron is hurting how quickly that happens by acting like an idiot with him

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Worst thing about Byron is that his choices are seemingly made with malice. You could hate Mike Brown (and I definitely did), but you knew he was trying to figure out how to put out the best plan each night. Byron really is giving in to being petty for no just reason.

 

[darthska]

Here's the thing about Byron, D-Lo, and life in general.

If he's going to be great, Byron not playing him enough won't stop him.

Byron can either be his excuse, or an  obstacle.

Totally his choice.

If 10 years from now dude is an absolute bust, "Man, he got drafted into effing BYRON SCOTT'S hands" will simply be an excuse.

He's been good so far.. Not great.

Eventually it gets to the point that you've played in the league long enough that you see things yourself... Byron is hurting how quickly that happens by acting like an idiot with him

Completely agree.

 

[mj 23]

Could 06 Kobe, with this squad take it all this year?

 

[sea manup]

if by take it all you mean take away all our ping pong balls then yes 

 

[mr j 858]

He's been good so far.. Not great.

And of course, I agree with this.

But being a PG in the league isn't easy. And Byron isn't helping him.

Eventually it gets to the point that you've played in the league long enough that you see things yourself. And a coach may hold you back, but the significance of it diminishes, and you are the player you are.

Our problem, or at least my problem.. Is that Byron is hurting how quickly that happens by acting like an idiot with him

10 years from now?

Hell no this franchise and it's fan base aren't going to wait to find out if this young core (Russell, Randle, Clarkson, whoever they draft this year) are cornerstone players who they can build around after Kobe retires. None of those players are untouchable.

 

[essential1]

Edit... Ska said 10 years. Completely missed that.

Russell is arguably the 3rd best rookie so far and if you don't agree he's not far behind that and Randle even being below mediocre on offense is still toward the top of his draft class so far. Rushing is what puts you in a perpetual **** show. there's nobody available that's worth trading Russell or Randle.

Nonetheless, no point in lobbying to trade guys who have played barely half a season. For guys like Boogie who are not available.

Also.. This fan base sucks. So who cares.

 

[Lizakers]

Here's the thing about Byron, D-Lo, and life in general.

If he's going to be great, Byron not playing him enough won't stop him.

Byron can either be his excuse, or an  obstacle.

Totally his choice.

If 10 years from now dude is an absolute bust, "Man, he got drafted into effing BYRON SCOTT'S hands" will simply be an excuse.

This be the realest thing u ever wrote

 

[ValarMorghulis]

Here's the thing about Byron, D-Lo, and life in general.

If he's going to be great, Byron not playing him enough won't stop him.

Byron can either be his excuse, or an  obstacle.

Totally his choice.

If 10 years from now dude is an absolute bust, "Man, he got drafted into effing BYRON SCOTT'S hands" will simply be an excuse.

REPPED for life

 

[tupac003]

Don't know if anybody watched the OU LSU game but I was very surprised at how they use Simmons. He didn't touch the ball at all in the last two min of the game while OU focused on getting buddy the ball.

 

[mr j 858]

Don't know if anybody watched the OU LSU game but I was very surprised at how they use Simmons. He didn't touch the ball at all in the last two min of the game while OU focused on getting buddy the ball.

I watched it and was like what the heck are they doing.

Sixers nearly beat Golden State tonight.

 

[tupac003]

If we don't get number 1, any chance sixers take buddy?

 

[essential1]

If we don't get number 1, any chance sixers take buddy?

Doubtful...

They always go BPA.. So it would come down to Simmons or Ingram

Also as unfortunate as it sounds.. Him being a Senior counts against him in the draft.

 

[tupac003]

Doubtful...

They always go BPA.. So it would come down to Simmons or Ingram

Also as unfortunate as it sounds.. Him being a Senior counts against him in the draft.

I don't understand that. It shouldn't matter when a player develops...dah well. Hopefully they take Ingram.

 

[moonman818]

If Buddy continues to play well and Oklahoma makes it deep into the tourney I could see Philly taking him 1st... especially if LSU doesn't even make it to the tournament.

They're loaded up front with that Euro player on the way and actually taking a more experienced player in the backcourt could benefit them in the long run.



That said... Ben Simmons is almost certain to still end up the 1st pick

 

[pmatic]

Kris Dunn > Buddy

 

[ValarMorghulis]

Who would of thought the draft board for this year would be like it is now?

Kris, Denzel and Buddy rising even while being "older"

 

[essential1]

Doubtful...

They always go BPA.. So it would come down to Simmons or Ingram

Also as unfortunate as it sounds.. Him being a Senior counts against him in the draft.

I don't understand that. It shouldn't matter when a player develops...dah well. Hopefully they take Ingram.

It does... If I got equal players, and one is 19, and the other is 22. You take the 19 year old every time.

Simmons & Ingram are better than Buddy.

Also if they finish worst, unlikely they get # 1 pick just based on lottery track record, even though it each year it is an independent result

 

[essential1]

More stats:

FG% on Russell passes:

Roy Hibbert - 0.2/0.7 (28.6%)
Nick Young - 0.4 / 1.2 (33.3%)
Lou Williams - 0.5 / 1.5 (33.3%)
Kobe Bryant - 1.1 / 2.8 (37.6%)
Julius Randle- 0.9 / 2.3 (39.3%)
Jordan Clarkson- 0.9/2.2 (43.1%)
Brandon Bass- 0.5/0.999 (50%)

% of shots taken on Russell passes:
Hibbert - 8.7%
Swaggy- 5.4%
LouWill- 11.7%
Kobe - 16.5%
Julius - 18.1%
Clarkson - 17.0
Bass - 7.5%


So 84.9% of the passes Russell has made, has led to a 38.4% FG%



Looked at Mudiay.... Of the top 6 Frequency Shots of Passes - Gallo, Faried, Jokic, Harris, Arthur & Barton.... The worst was 42.2% by Gallo, and 4 guys were above 50%

 

[lovehateself]

Dont forget Mudiay actually attacks the basket, creating easier opportunities for his teammates

 

[essential1]

Dont forget Mudiay actually attacks the basket, creating easier opportunities for his teammates

In the restricted area...
D'Angelo Russell - 61.2%
Emmanuel Mudiay - 45.5%

Made 3 more in 29 less shots


Less than 8 feet away...

D'Angelo Russell - 56.7%
Emmanuel Mudiay - 39.5%

Made 10 more in 33 less shots




I don't have to tell you one of those is above average, and one is well below average....

And the difference is really 1.5 attempts in the Restricted Area per game, and still has a higher usage rate. Which would tighten that gap of attempts.

So for all his attacking of the rim, you'd be better served letting Mudiay go straight to basket and miss. Perhaps you should not forget that, maybe the players on the Nuggets are better.



Also on Pick & Roll.... Which is easiest way to get a guy to get toward the hoop. 45% of Mudiay's offense, and 41% of Russell's offense.. Mudiay is 0.59PPP, Russell 0.75PPP. Neither really good, but it's the difference between the 17th Percentile and the 46th Percentile. Team Score frequency between them is 29% to 36%.


Even on the drive, although Mudiay drives far more.. 4.5 times more a game.. It leads to 1.2 more Points in double the attempts by Mudiay over Russell, and 0.7 Assists more, but also 0.8 Turnovers more..

It has very little to do with "driving" as to why the % of teammate shots for Mudiay is so much better than Russell's.

Although my favorite thing about Mudiay before the draft was his speed, that should have made him scoring and finding guys easier, him driving puts very little pressure on the defense as of right now.

 

[dceja]

Nice stats

 

[Lizakers]

Regardless of stats, I'd like to see DLO attack the basket and create for himself and others more by penetrating

For now he mainly whips the ball around the perimeter or comes off a screen and does little pocket passes

Not sure he'll ever be the type who breaks down a defense with penetration and blows by defenders to the rim

But he can still be very good without that ability, just not elite

 

[cruzair13]

Kris Dunn > Buddy

If the Lakers get third pick, take Dunn over DragonBender.

Dunn can drive and finish dlo can spot up with that south paw jay.

Dunn is a beast on defense with his length. Think middle class John wall now and a Gary Payton defensive ceiling.

I'm a providence grad/laker fan since the forum days so Homerism can be flawed.

Buddy is drano. 50 percent 2pts/3pts. But probably gonna be like a JJ. Amazing college player bench spark plug in nba.

 

[essential1]

Regardless of stats, I'd like to see DLO attack the basket and create for himself and others more by penetrating

For now he mainly whips the ball around the perimeter or comes off a screen and does little pocket passes.
Not sure he'll ever be the type who breaks down a defense with penetration and blows by defenders to the rim

But he can still be very good without that ability, just not elite

Agreed on attacking the basket more.. He should be doing that. The pocket passes though are so damn beautiful. They are always right there.. Then Hibbert fumbles it

He has the size to wear down smaller PGs. And has done so when he has the distinct size advantage.

It will be a lot about P&R for me.... That will get him there. Right now there's no good P&R guys on the team.. Nor do we run it as often as we should, but that's a scheme and hopefully a personnel thing. Randle is a guy I thought would be a good Roll man, but needs to learn how to set a strong pick then roll. He often throws a lackadaisical pick that even if he rolls to the hoop well doesn't open anything up.

Russell has enough handle to get space to then try to get in.

He doesn't have the speed you would hope, but there's enough to say he can open up enough opportunities to get to the hoop.. With his size, P&R, and handle.

As for the very good versus elite, it's too early, it's not even out of the remote possibility that he can be elite.


Now this is not to say that he's playing as well as he should.. Of course he isn't. My opinion is that he should be 16-5-6 right now. On .440/.360/.750.
He's currently at 12.0/3.6/3.4 in 26.9min on .412/.330/.671

What should be done to get from where he is to where he should be as a rookie.
1. Should be starting and finishing games. Not doing either as of now.
2. Should be playing 30-32minutes.
3. Byron stop ******* with him.
4. He needs to be allowed to make mistakes, and needs to be unafraid to make mistakes.
5. Attack the basket more.. Even if it has to come from more P&R opportunities. Attacking gets him to the line more, and hopefully with enough success, gives him extra space to shoot over the top.
6. Needs to get more into his 3 point shooting. He's not missing wildly, it seems like a strength thing.
7. Needs to add some bulk.
8. Stop worrying about Byron.. This is easier said than done though.. It's one thing to say play how you want without listening to that buffoon, but that guy also controls his minutes, and will take them away.