Black Male Ambushed and Detained by Police Due To White Couple Feeling "Uncomfortable"

sea manup said:
Freeze said:
 
Deuce King said:
 
Freeze said:
 
airedweezy said:
Why did he run?
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i understand what you mean, I'm not coming at you, just speaking in general. but that's like the white go-to question. 'well...why'd he run if he had nothing to hide'



****. because he could. running isn't probable cause. police can be such **** boys sometimes. i see a cop, i can run if i want. i can also tell them to suck a ****. just depends on the vibe that day. i don't of course, these cops out here crazy. but i'm saying, I could.
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As it pertains to probable cause in the case of Jason and Co.......yes it does champ. Reason being is because he and his buddies matched the description exactly given by the complainant. Not sure if you know the true definition of probable cause or not.
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all I read from the article was the 3 gentlemen were just standing there. Then were profiled by a couple that felt uncomfortable, and then the police rolled up and the guys took off. what crime did they commit or even appear to commit? what did the police witness them do? what did anyone else witness them do besides loiter 'suspiciously'? I have no idea what their intent was, but just standing randomly isn't probable cause.
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running away at the sight of a cop suggests that they did something wrong and dont want to be caught imo

do you expect the cop to just let them run away? 
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so what do you suggest they do then when they catch them? they can't arrest them for something they didn't do or what you think they might do, this isn't minority report. so just roughing them up is cool on some **** tracy steeze? i mean making the cop chase after them is a **** move anways. right.
 
sea manup said:
running away at the sight of a cop suggests that they did something wrong and dont want to be caught imo

do you expect the cop to just let them run away? 
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Running when the cops come is not probable cause.

Cops didn't even see the kids commit a crime, nor was a crime reported. If the kids ran, cops should not have chased them.
 
sea manup said:
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the fact that you give cops a pass for "roughing someone up" due to being disrespected by words is prob one of the biggest jokes I've ever heard.

don't become a cop if you've got thin skin.

people giving passes to brutalize citizens is hilarious
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do you feel the same way about non cops attacking people over words? 
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cops are supposed to be bigger than regular people though. that badge means more than their ego and pride.
 
Hand2HandKing said:
there wasnt a crime reported

the dcps literally called it robbery fear
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Loud and wrong champ. Please read up on DC Code before you make comments like this. Robbery Fear is in fact a crime in DC. Like I said earlier, people making all kinds of false statements in here.
 
Freeze said:
 
sea manup said:
 
instagram said:
 
the fact that you give cops a pass for "roughing someone up" due to being disrespected by words is prob one of the biggest jokes I've ever heard.

don't become a cop if you've got thin skin.

people giving passes to brutalize citizens is hilarious
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do you feel the same way about non cops attacking people over words? 
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cops are supposed to be bigger than regular people though. that badge means more than their ego and pride.
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they are not.

and if they are in fact bigger than regular people why does that make it okay to disrespect them as opposed to a regular person? 
 
sea manup said:
 
they are not.

and if they are in fact bigger than regular people why does that make it okay to disrespect them as opposed to a regular person? 
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lmao do you understand what the term professional means?

how about this of a boxer or a registered MMA fighter beats up a street cat, will they get charged with the same degree of assault if a street cat beat up a street cat?
 
Deuce King said:
Loud and wrong champ. Please read up on DC Code before you make comments like this. Robbery Fear is in fact a crime in DC. Like I said earlier, people making all kinds of false statements in here.
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 http://crimemap.dc.gov/CrimeDefinitions.aspx

Crime Offense Definitions
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Abbreviated definitions of DC Index Offenses per DC Official Code Statutes, Title 22: Criminal Offenses and Penalties (Please note these will not match the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) definitions; these are specific to District of Columbia Criminal Statutes)
Homicide:    Killing of another purposely, or otherwise, with malice aforethought.

Sex Abuse:    Engaging in or causing another person to submit to a sexual act by force, threat or reasonable fear, involuntary impairment of the personâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s ability to appraise or control his or her conduct, rendering that other person unconscious or under conditions wherein a reasonable person would not believe that consent was freely and knowingly given. The most serious sex abuse categories are included in the reports of DC Code Index Violent Crimes: Sexual Assault and on the Crime Mapping Application. The figures reported in this category include First Degree Sex Abuse, Second Degree Sex Abuse, Attempted First Degree Sex Abuse and Assault with Intent to Commit First Degree Sex Abuse against adults. Data in this format is available online from 2011.

Robbery:    The taking of anything of value from another person by force, violence or fear.

Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW)/Aggravated Assault:    Knowingly or purposely causing serious bodily injury, threatening to do so, or knowingly engaging in conduct that creates a grave risk of serious bodily injury to another person.

Arson:    The malicious burning, or attempt to burn, any structure, vessel, vehicle, railroad car or property of another.

Burglary:    The unlawful entry of a structure, vessel, watercraft, railroad car or yard where chattels are deposited with the intent to commit any criminal offense
  • Burglary-1:   Burglary of a dwelling or other building that is occupied at the time of the event.
  • Burglary-1 Armed:   Committing the act of burglary by use of, or threat of, any dangerous or deadly weapon.
  • Burglary-2:   Burglary of a dwelling or other building that is not occupied at the time of the event.
Motor Vehicle Theft:    The theft of any self-propelled, motor driven vehicle that is primarily intended to transport persons and property on a highway.

Theft:    Wrongfully obtaining or using the property of another with the intent to deprive the owner of the value thereof.
  • Theft-1:   Theft of another's property valued at $1000 or more.
  • Theft-2 Armed:   Theft of another's property valued at less than $1000.
Theft F/Auto:    of items from within a vehicle, excluding motor vehicle parts and accessories.

Theft/Other:    A broad inclusion of Theft offenses including embezzlement, theft of services and fraud/false pretenses. The Theft/Other category excludes theft of items from a motor vehicle or the motor vehicle itself.

Robbery - Pickpocket:    A Robbery committed by the sudden and stealthy seizure of a wallet or other item from the body of a person. Since no overt force is used this offense will be classified as a theft.

Robbery - Snatch:    A Robbery committed by the sudden and stealthy seizure of a purse, wallet or other item from another person's possession, in his/her presence and without the use of overt force. Since no force is used this offense will be classified as a theft.

Other Definitions
  • CCN:   Criminal Complaint Number: a unique identifier assigned by MPD to each incident report. Other law enforcement agencies also request and use CCNs for their reports.
  • Report Date:   The date the offense was reported to MPD, which may be later than the date the offense actually occurred.
  • Shift:   MPD member's tour of duty associated with the time the report was taken. Day shift generally runs between 0700 and 1500 (military time); evening shift between 1500 and 2300, and midnight shift between 2300 and 0700. If the shift is unknown, the field will say "UNK".
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Deuce King said:
Loud and wrong champ. Please read up on DC Code before you make comments like this. Robbery Fear is in fact a crime in DC. Like I said earlier, people making all kinds of false statements in here.
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Nah, you're wrong bruh. It's a crime if you use fear to take something of value from someone.
 
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sea manup said:
 
they are not.

and if they are in fact bigger than regular people why does that make it okay to disrespect them as opposed to a regular person? 
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lmao do you understand what the term professional means?

how about this of a boxer or a registered MMA fighter beats up a street cat, will they get charged with the same degree of assault if a street cat beat up a street cat?
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possibly, depends on how much damage they did

determining the degree of assault has nothing to do with the persons occupation 
 
letsgetit22 said:
Nah, you're wrong bruh. It's a crime if you use fear to take something of value from someone.
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y'all know Duece don't ever admit he's wrong right?

Jay-z my boy but ether def knocked Jay Z out

champs
 
sea manup said:
 
possibly, depends on how much damage they did

determining the degree of assault has nothing to do with the persons occupation 
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actually it does. because professional fighters have to identify their hands as registered weapons. 

smarten up pleighboi
 
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sea manup said:
 
possibly, depends on how much damage they did

determining the degree of assault has nothing to do with the persons occupation 
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actually it does. because professional fighters have to identify their hands as registered weapons. 

smarten up pleighboi
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thats a myth bro 
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Deuce King said:
Hand2HandKing said:
there wasnt a crime reported

the dcps literally called it robbery fear
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Loud and wrong champ. Please read up on DC Code before you make comments like this. Robbery Fear is in fact a crime in DC. Like I said earlier, people making all kinds of false statements in here.
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Robbery fear is police parlance for an unarmed robbery
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but how do have unarmed robbery if no attempt to rob is made?
 
sea manup said:
 
thats a myth bro 
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semantics:

"Boxers are required to register their hands as "lethal weapons." = Not true."

Research has failed to reveal any statutory, regulatory or other requirement that boxers -- or anyone skilled in martial arts -- "register" their hands or any other body part as "lethal weapons" in the U.S., UKoGBaNI, Canada, or any other common law nation. However, a criminal defendant's experience in boxing, karate, or other forms of hand-to-hand combat may be relevant to determining various legal issues.

First, in the United States at least, the question of whether hands (or other body parts) of a boxer, martial artist or any other person even qualifies as a "deadly" or "lethal" weapon depends largely upon how "deadly weapon," "lethal weapon," or "deadly force" is defined (usually by statute, which is then interpreted by the courts). _See,_ _e.g.,_ Vitauts M. Gulbis, "Parts of the Human Body, Other Than Feet, as Deadly or Dangerous Weapons for Purposes of Statutes Aggravating Offenses Such as Assault and Robbery," 8 A.L.R.4th 1268 (1981 and supplements); Christpher Vaeth, "Kicking as Aggravated Assault, or Assault With Dangerous or Deadly Weapon," 19 A.L.R.5th 823 (1995 and supplements). Most statutes have been interpreted to require an object external to the human body before a "deadly weapon" element can be met. For example, in _Minnesota v. Bastin_, 572 N.W.2d 281 (Minn. 1997), the Minnesota Supreme Court overruled the trial court's conclusion that the left fist of the defendant, a former licensed professional prize fighter, was a "deadly weapon." 

Some courts in the United States have concluded, however, that a criminal defendant's experience in boxing or martial arts should be considered when deciding whether s/he possessed a required intent to cause harm. For instance, in _Trujillo v. State_, 750 P.2d 1334 (Wyo. 1988), the Wyoming Supreme Court found that there was sufficient evidence to support the defendant's conviction for aggravated assault after he punched someone in the head. His history as a trained boxer was one bit of evidence supporting the jury's findings on his mental state. Likewise, in _In the Matter of the Welfare of D.S.F._, 416 N.W.2d 772 (Minn. App. 1988), the Minnesota Court of Appeals held that there was sufficient evidence to conclude that the actions of the defendant, who had "substantial experience in karate," were sufficient to demonstrate his knowledge that he was hitting the victim with sufficient force to break the victim's jaw. 

Similarly, a criminal defendant's boxing or martial arts experience may be relevant to determining the validity of a self-defense claim. For instance, in _Idaho v. Babbit_, 120 Idaho 337, 815 P.2d 1077 (Idaho App. 1991), the defendant shot the victim and claimed self-defense. The trial court admitted evidence regarding the defendant's past training and experience as a boxer, concluding that it was relevant to a determination of whether the defendant truly believed it was necessary to shoot the victim in order to protect himself and others. The Idaho Court of Appeals affirmed. 

Documented: A criminal defendant's experience in boxing or the martial arts may be relevant to deciding whether the elements of a criminal offense have been proven. "
 
sea manup said:
 
you're a 32 year old man getting schooled in an online argument

no need to report anyone, just stop responding 
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getting schooled?

you're a mark who sides with cops saying its ok for them to attack people
 
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letsgetit22 said:
sea manup said:
running away at the sight of a cop suggests that they did something wrong and dont want to be caught imo

do you expect the cop to just let them run away? 
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Running when the cops come is not probable cause.

Cops didn't even see the kids commit a crime, nor was a crime reported. If the kids ran, cops should not have chased them.
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One again, loud and wrong.....a crime was reported. Also for future reference, cops don't need to actually SEE a crime in order to take police action.
 
Deuce King said:
One again, loud and wrong.....a crime was reported. Also for future reference, cops don't need to actually SEE a crime in order to take police action.
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action as in investigation or beating down a suspect?
 
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