Cary Fukunaga's "Beasts of No Nation" [2015]

 Could you have only made this movie outside of Hollywood, in Africa, or would it have ever been possible through the Hollywood system?
Cary:  Financing-wise or execution-wise?

Both.

Cary:  Execution-wise, yeah. We didn't break any rules, per se, in terms of safety. But content, would Hollywood have made a movie about this? Who knows? I certainly don't think Hollywood would have made a movie like this without a sort of bankable, probably white actor sort of leading us through it. [Laughs]
http://www.thewrap.com/5-takeaways-...netflixs-beast-of-no-nations-box-office-flop/

my point is that the movie theaters are using that "90 day exclusivity" as an excuse, but if this movie had "a bankable white actor" they wouldnt care

edit: basically, if netflix aint decide to pick it up, it woulda never came out

netflix aint have nothing to do with production, only distribution
 
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 Could you have only made this movie outside of Hollywood, in Africa, or would it have ever been possible through the Hollywood system?

Cary: Financing-wise or execution-wise?



Both.



Cary: Execution-wise, yeah. We didn't break any rules, per se, in terms of safety. But content, would Hollywood have made a movie about this? Who knows? I certainly don't think Hollywood would have made a movie like this without a sort of bankable, probably white actor sort of leading us through it. [Laughs]

http://www.thewrap.com/5-takeaways-...netflixs-beast-of-no-nations-box-office-flop/

my point is that the movie theaters are using that "90 day exclusivity" as an excuse, but if this movie had "a bankable white actor" they wouldnt care

You realize that quote provides nothing. Right?

Not only that, they link you posted doesn't even contain that quote, hell it doesn't contain the interview. Da hell :lol:

Anyway, it seems like Cary is talking about the movie studios, not the theater companies.

Soooooo........

YOU HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE THAT THE THEATER COMPANIES BLACKBALLED THE MOVIE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT A UNCOMFORTABLE SUBJECT, AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE NETFLIX DEAL

Which was you original claim which I asked you to provide. You didn't, so I will assume to made that up/lied, until you provide evidence to the contrary

Repeating you opinion over and over doesn't make it fact famb
 
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YOU HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE THAT THE THEATER COMPANIES BLACKBALLED THE MOVIE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT A UNCOMFORTABLE SUBJECT, AND NOT BECAUSE OF THE NETFLIX DEAL
 
i never claimed to have evidence of that, i said from beginning it was my opinion

you expect there to be evidence of something like that nice and neat so we can an internet debate about it?

the director is telling you how difficult it was to get this made, how he had to go thru avenues OUTSIDE of hollywood to get it done 

but you so focused on proving me wrong on a minor point 
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im saying that 90 day exclusivity is bs and if it was a white actor (leo?) in this movie they wouldnt have boycotted it

as far as hotel rwanda, thats a different subject from this film once again

just because its black and in africa doesnt make it comparable 
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are we comparing young abraham to don cheadle now?

and that "foreign look" that you edited out is because the movie was all-black
 
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and what happens when the same hollywood machine blackballs this movie from award consideration?

imo netflix only picked it up because of that aspect of it, that they could claim an award winner under their belt

but if it doesnt happen, and this movie receives no awards, what then? 
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this is movie about a child soldier, hotel rwanda based on a true story 
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i guess saving private ryan and schindlers list are relevant to each other as well by that logic

big 4 movie theater chains boycotted this movie 
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and what happens when the same hollywood machine blackballs this movie from award consideration?

imo netflix only picked it up because of that aspect of it, that they could claim an award winner under their belt

but if it doesnt happen, and this movie receives no awards, what then? :nerd:

So now you're moving the goal post, and decided it is time to start with the "imo"s :lol:

Theater companies don't select the winner of awards. Opps I forgot, the goalpost moved again. Hollywood studios don't control who get the awards

And who says this movie deserves to win everything? So it is now give it an award or else it is racism? :smh: :rofl:

Famb stop
 
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it was always imo

you decided to start an argument

did you miss the part where i said HOLLYWOOD MACHINE

machine as in interlocking parts

studios, theaters, producers, critics everything

and where did i say it deserves to win EVERYTHING? i said if when it wins NOTHING

i dont see how i moved any goalpost when netflix motive for picking up the movie was never a part of the discussion until i just introduced it

yall dudes so thirsty for an argument
 
it was always imo

you decided to start an argument

did you miss the part where i said HOLLYWOOD MACHINE

machine as in interlocking parts

studios, theaters, producers, critics everything

and where did i say it deserves to win EVERYTHING? i said if when it wins NOTHING

i dont see how i moved any goalpost when netflix motive for picking up the movie was never a part of the discussion until i just introduced it

yall dudes so thirsty for an argument

And you can't for the life of you make a lucid one

Remember this started when you went at another Nter on some "I bet Avenger is worth your $10 but not this" steez

Then you rambled about some "they". It was white people, then Netflix, the jews, then the theaters, now the it the "Hollywood machine"

We had civil debate, and you ran out of steam because none of your opinion were based in facts/reality

Don't make it seem I was picking on you over some small stuff
 
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 In Beasts of No Nation, the child soldiers are not the only ones who suffered. The movie also depicted violence against civilians like Hotel Rwanda.
what was the focus of BoNN? who did the movie follow? its war of course there violence against civilians

like i said, unless your trying to compare attah to cheadle, i dont see how you can correlate the two movies other than the fact they share a civil war themes

they are two different movies with different focuses

BoNN singular focus is on the transformation of Agu

Hotel Rwanda focus was on the strife of don cheadle character
 
And you can't for the life of you make a lucid one

Remember this started when you went at another Nter on some "I bet Avenger is worth your $10 but not this" steez

Then you rambled about some "they". It was white people, then Netflix, the jews, then the theaters, now the it the "Hollywood machine"

We had civil debate, and you ran out of steam because none of your opinion were based in facts/reality

Don't make it seem I was picking on you over some small stuff
my point still stands, avengers or other hollywood bs is worth money but not this?

you felt the need to interject on behalf of "them"

all you do is nitpick

i never claimed anything was fact, i said this was all my opinion

youre free to disagree

at the end of the day movie theaters can claim its about "exclusivity" but i dont believe that bs

if this was any other movie with a white actor at the lead they wouldnt be trippin
 
i already said hotel rwanda was based on a true story and had civil war themes

what more do i need to discuss in depth about it

i didnt say that was all that movie was about

but the singular focus of the movie was don cheadles character, and in Bonn it was agu

dudes need to stop jumping to conclusions 
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BoNN is based on a novel, not a true story 

don cheadle character was an actual person

we can discuss greater themes if you want to, but the FOCUS of the movie is the MAIN CHARACTER no?

so like i said, unless you are trying to compare don cheadle star power to abraham attah, i dont see how you can draw any conclusion about hollywood willingness to support it
 
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Remember this started when you went at another Nter on some "I bet Avenger is worth your $10 but not this" steez


Then you rambled about some "they". It was white people, then Netflix, the jews, then the theaters, now the it the "Hollywood machine"


We had civil debate, and you ran out of steam because none of your opinion were based in facts/reality


Don't make it seem I was picking on you over some small stuff

my point still stands, avengers or other hollywood bs is worth money but not this?

you felt the need to interject on behalf of "them"

all you do is nitpick

i never claimed anything was fact, i said this was all my opinion

youre free to disagree

at the end of the day movie theaters can claim its about "exclusivity" but i dont believe that bs

if this was any other movie with a white actor at the lead they wouldnt be trippin

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Famb I done wit you, you are making my head hurt.

It is all cool when you want to call folk out from on top your high horse, but once someone checks you for your antics then your some sort of victim.

I didn't nitpick, you just couldn't keep your arguments straight brah
 
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yea ill call it out and i still have yet to hear why its cool to spend on avengers and not on this 
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its not ME keeping my arguments staright, its yall comin up with every reason under the sun to start an argument

first it was "but they can watch it at home"

then it was "oh but there are plenty of movies with black ppl in it"

then it was "theaters dont decide awards" as if commercial success doesnt play a part in what gets nominated

somebody said movies with little revenue still get nominated, but i didnt see any examples of that? 
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nobody playing victim, its more like yall are going so hard because you dont LIKE what you hear, not because im wrong about what i think

i made this thread in hopes of ppl getting interested and wanting to watch it, but when someone says "oh it aint worth the money" like well what is worth the money?
 
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the message and bigger picture have different scopes in terms of the two films tho is what youre not getting

what does hotel rwanda have to say about child soldiers?

what does bonn have to say about standing up to oppression?

they are similar in nature, but very different in practice
 
Now my responses to ole boy's responses to me are me picking an argument :rofl:

Da hell
 
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how is it not? 

i never presented anything i said as being fact or a claim of anyhting

you had a knee jerk reaction to what i said plain and simple

you didnt like it, and didnt like it to the point where its lead to all of this instead of discussion about the movie 
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 I see your modus operandi on NT. Typa dude to start an argument, when his points fall apart he starts complaining about why people gotta argue. GTHO.
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my "modus operandi" is giving my opinion

the "points" i make are in response to you trying to make it into an argument
 
 
 
totally diff subject matter, but since its black ppl we can just lump them all together 
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Just in case dude backtracks. He even went as far as assuming I think both movies share a lot in common because they both have black people in it. I already laid out to him countless themes both movies share in common. 
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look at you misquoting

that was in response to the list of movies that you gave  NOT hotel rwanda
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No your modus operandi is complaining when people rip apart your illogical claims. Making a point in response to what someone else said, IS ARGUING. You've been arguing this entire thread while calling people out for arguing. Hell you're arguing with me as we speak. Or is it only an argument if it's in conflict with your assertions.

omg this guy. 
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so to recap, dude said this movie is not worth spending 10 on

i said what is, avengers?

now where in there do u come up with the gall to pick an argument?

like i wasnt even talking to either one of you 
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but simply because YOU DONT LIKE WHAT I SAID, you tried to make up all these diff points, bringin up black movies and ish to detract from what i was saying

IF THIS MOVIE IS NOT WORTH SPENDING MONEY ON, WHAT IS??
 
see, i dont call your opinions nonsense

i dont expect everyone to agree

but u came at my neck, not the other way around

i didnt @ you like  @LIONBLOOD  agree with me or else

i merely explained my position and why i think what i think

like i said its fine to disgree, but you go the extra length of trying to insult my intelligence

its my opinion, but you dont like it so much that you just keep going with it

if i was as dumb as you think i am you would have never entertained this for this long

but its simply because im going to keep expressing my opinion and THAT you dont like

yall wish i would just shut up and stop making everything about race but im not 
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im not being self deprecating

its obvious, thru the "jabs", the sarcasm, you obviously have issues with me and my viewpoints

you referenced it yourself in how i post in other threads

you adamance is evidence of not someone who is looking to engage in discussion but debate/argue
 
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You guys can take this to PMs if you really want to argue for 3 straight pages to be honest.. if anyone wanted to actually discuss this movie, it would get lost in your back and forth.

My point of view? The major theaters not releasing it is more about that it's being released on Netflix and not because it's an all-black cast or the subject matter. For the major theaters, Netflix is a threat, so not releasing the movie in the major theaters is a response to that. 

Hand2Hand asks why someone might feel Avengers or Fast and the Furious are worth the money in theaters, but this isn't? That's an easy answer. Those movies are blockbusters where the theater experience is far superior to watching it at home. Even the best home theaters and television can't compete with seeing Avengers in IMAX with surround sound and 3D. So it's a spectacle and that's what makes the ticket worth it over a smaller budget, serious film. And maybe you can say "Well THEY don't want to see a movie about civil war in Africa, so that's why" and that's not the case to me. Is there a problem with race in Hollywood? Of course, it's a major problem. But a big budget blockbuster is typically worth shelling out the 15 bucks to see it in theaters vs the smaller budget dramas and movies. 

There are always a ton of Oscar contending movies that I have NO interest in paying 12 dollars for a ticket in the theaters. I wanted to see The Theory of Everything last year, but I just waited until it was available to watch at home because it wasn't worth seeing in theaters to me. Paying the movie ticket price is not a vote for the quality of the movie, it might simply just be "I think this movie needs  to be seen in theaters". 

And you asked about "little revenue movies" being nominated? Going back to 08, about 12 movies nominated for best picture made less than 20 million at the box office, so it happens. And for the most part, most Oscar nominated films aren't the mega budget blockbusters. They'll likely make a good amount of money in the box office, but they're not going to be monster box office films.

I think this movie gives us a good opportunity to praise modern filmmaking rather than find faults and complaints. It's a great thing that a movie like this could be made, be highly reviewed, and gives us an opportunity to discuss the themes and issues it presented. Premiering on Netflix allows it to be in the homes of millions of people and greatly increases the exposure of this movie. Plenty of people will watch this because "Oh it's on Netflix, I'll check it out" rather than going to the theaters to have to see it where they might not care. That's how I see it at least.. this means more movies like this can be brought to the audiences.
 
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turned the movie off halfway when they were beating on the young girl . i cant watch this im str8 
 
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