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The Minnesota Timberwolves Offseason Thread - Kris Dunn at No. 5 in Most Recent DX Mock
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The faster we can get rid of Payne and accept that that was a terrible trade by flip the sooner we will get better. What makes things worse is this guy actually gets some minutes :x
Same with Pek. He needs to just retire he won't ever be healthy enough to play ball at this level.
Same with Pek. He needs to just retire he won't ever be healthy enough to play ball at this level.
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Glen Taylor on radio today: "Kaplan situation is probably dead, looks like it will take years for Memphis situation to be completed."
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Give Milton a chance to get a LEGIT PG to run the second unit and maybe a better coach. Is Milton replacing Flip's spot?
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I think he would in that case but the non-commital stance is the unknown. You don't want the highest draft pick (and most important) of the decade coming to be made by someone who wore an interim tag.
They can commit to Milt, but it's definitely worth thinking about how around the time he/Flip were getting their dual-GM business titles, when it first happened, it was reported Milt's role was to handle the financial side of things / he had basketball ties and had been with Flip for a while but ultimately he was a 50-50 guy at most it sounded in cap management-player evaluation.
I've heard him speak over the course of multiple interviews since he's been here, all were 5-min or less in duration, and he seems possibly competent, but 1.) We've only seen the Timberwolves buy out the contracts of Kevin Martin and Andre Miller, & then sign Greg Smith in the time since Flip's passed. I don't know if that would be enough to totally warrant giving him this year's high draft pick and the summer of FA with how big that both will be (the latter for the immediate future and even a potential eighth seed next year if they play it right because there are guys on the team who could clearly flourish if they had shooters to pass to or if they didn't have to worry about guarding 29-year-old men in the post at age 19 because the best vet big guy on the team who's healthy is GREG SMITH.
If I'm Glen Taylor, I didn't go get Flip and Milt, I went and got Flip (we on NT were not GT obviously) and Flip wanted a few other trusted and handpicked execs around him, the most noteworthy being Milt. So Milt came, and since Flip passed, what really has Milt done to make headway toward securing the job? There should be 'something' to point to where Milt's been solo and made a move of some kind that has benefitted the team for Glen to already be thinking/considering handing him the wheel on the whole summer ahead. And it's not that Milt's done anything negative yet, it's just that he really hasn't done anything yet.
They can commit to Milt, but it's definitely worth thinking about how around the time he/Flip were getting their dual-GM business titles, when it first happened, it was reported Milt's role was to handle the financial side of things / he had basketball ties and had been with Flip for a while but ultimately he was a 50-50 guy at most it sounded in cap management-player evaluation.
I've heard him speak over the course of multiple interviews since he's been here, all were 5-min or less in duration, and he seems possibly competent, but 1.) We've only seen the Timberwolves buy out the contracts of Kevin Martin and Andre Miller, & then sign Greg Smith in the time since Flip's passed. I don't know if that would be enough to totally warrant giving him this year's high draft pick and the summer of FA with how big that both will be (the latter for the immediate future and even a potential eighth seed next year if they play it right because there are guys on the team who could clearly flourish if they had shooters to pass to or if they didn't have to worry about guarding 29-year-old men in the post at age 19 because the best vet big guy on the team who's healthy is GREG SMITH.
If I'm Glen Taylor, I didn't go get Flip and Milt, I went and got Flip (we on NT were not GT obviously) and Flip wanted a few other trusted and handpicked execs around him, the most noteworthy being Milt. So Milt came, and since Flip passed, what really has Milt done to make headway toward securing the job? There should be 'something' to point to where Milt's been solo and made a move of some kind that has benefitted the team for Glen to already be thinking/considering handing him the wheel on the whole summer ahead. And it's not that Milt's done anything negative yet, it's just that he really hasn't done anything yet.
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Personally, I feel there is little chance they go out and get new people (GM, coach, etc). There could have been with the Kaplan guy coming in...but now I don't have much confidence in it. During Glen's entire run here in MN they have stuck to in-house people and go get "their guys" for the same jobs. Front office, coaching, everything. It's the Minnesota way with every damn sport here, including the University. We are just afraid of new outside people coming in and messing with the script. And that's why MN teams never win.
The one time Taylor was talked into going out and getting an outsider for a high position it was David Kahn and Taylor is on record as saying he got hoodwinked. That's saved up in his mind.
Unless it is Kevin McHale coming back (don't rule that out), I see Milt AND Mitchell coming back. Hopefully I'm wrong.
The one time Taylor was talked into going out and getting an outsider for a high position it was David Kahn and Taylor is on record as saying he got hoodwinked. That's saved up in his mind.
Unless it is Kevin McHale coming back (don't rule that out), I see Milt AND Mitchell coming back. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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The more I see of Jones, the less I like. It's to the point now, where unless he becomes a 33-35% 3 point shooter, he does not have a place on this team. He is listed at 6'2 but looks 5'10 out there.
As far as Sam Mitchell goes, coaching aside, someone has got to tell him to get some slim fitting pants, dude looking like a clown out there.
As far as Sam Mitchell goes, coaching aside, someone has got to tell him to get some slim fitting pants, dude looking like a clown out there.
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This is Darren Wolfson reporting so take it with a grain of salt but some updates from him this week:
- The strong belief is Kevin Garnett will be coming back next year to play (he has an option year for next year). If KG does not come back from injury this year he will have played in 43 of 111 games since he's been back.
- Wolves have brought 4 scouts to watch the McDonald's AA game.
- There is still a small level of optimism Kaplan will eventually be able to come to Wolves ownership. It would likely be at least a year or two.
- Sam Mitchell's chances of returning have gone up with Glen Taylor being the sole decision maker.
- The Wolves are starting to make moves in their partnership with Mayo Clinic. The Lynx will be playing a game down in Rochester at the Mayo Civic Center, and the Wolves will likely have their own D-League affiliate starting with the 2017-18 season with all signs pointing to them being based in Rochester.
- Rumor is Jared Dudley (FA this summer) has some fans in the Wolves front office and they might be going after him, as well as Myles Plumlee and Harrison Barnes as possibilities.
- The strong belief is Kevin Garnett will be coming back next year to play (he has an option year for next year). If KG does not come back from injury this year he will have played in 43 of 111 games since he's been back.
- Wolves have brought 4 scouts to watch the McDonald's AA game.
- There is still a small level of optimism Kaplan will eventually be able to come to Wolves ownership. It would likely be at least a year or two.
- Sam Mitchell's chances of returning have gone up with Glen Taylor being the sole decision maker.
- The Wolves are starting to make moves in their partnership with Mayo Clinic. The Lynx will be playing a game down in Rochester at the Mayo Civic Center, and the Wolves will likely have their own D-League affiliate starting with the 2017-18 season with all signs pointing to them being based in Rochester.
- Rumor is Jared Dudley (FA this summer) has some fans in the Wolves front office and they might be going after him, as well as Myles Plumlee and Harrison Barnes as possibilities.
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I used to dog the Doogs behind-his-back but he had the Kaplan falling-apart angle before anyone. He speaks to a lot of agents though so with regards to players and the prospect that they COULD land on the Timberwolves should be questioned in all scenarios probably.
KG is coming back because no one makes that money for that type [lack] of production. It's a hell of a job if you can get it.
Four scouts? Interesting because, are we going to be high in the lottery again? I mean, four scouts is a lot unless they're counting on one of them falling which obviously could happen and happens all the time but that's a lot of resources just to deploy for that far-out hypothetical.
I don't think they'd pay H.Barnes. Doogie mentioned Nene, Dudley needs to knock off the weight again but I'd be interested if he does, and Miles Plumlee - maybe. They're clearly looking for a rim protector that's a veteran, which is good because Towns is 19 and Dieng seems to not prioritize that despite there being literally no one else who can step up in that regard. Again - KG making a huge check for doing nothing and he could at least me an irritant around the rim on defense. The knee thing is so indefinite and out-of-view that he could keep that going until the end of next season and his legend here will make it so no one really harps on it for more than a short period of time.
We should start talking about FA's...
KG is coming back because no one makes that money for that type [lack] of production. It's a hell of a job if you can get it.
Four scouts? Interesting because, are we going to be high in the lottery again? I mean, four scouts is a lot unless they're counting on one of them falling which obviously could happen and happens all the time but that's a lot of resources just to deploy for that far-out hypothetical.
I don't think they'd pay H.Barnes. Doogie mentioned Nene, Dudley needs to knock off the weight again but I'd be interested if he does, and Miles Plumlee - maybe. They're clearly looking for a rim protector that's a veteran, which is good because Towns is 19 and Dieng seems to not prioritize that despite there being literally no one else who can step up in that regard. Again - KG making a huge check for doing nothing and he could at least me an irritant around the rim on defense. The knee thing is so indefinite and out-of-view that he could keep that going until the end of next season and his legend here will make it so no one really harps on it for more than a short period of time.
We should start talking about FA's...
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^ I agree on the FA note, would be fun to start talking realistic scenarios. Actually, it would be fun to sign a free agent who actually fits in here and ends up being a good signing.
Since the firing of Kurt Rambis (2011) here are all the name signings for the team:
Andre Miller
T. Prince
Ronny Turiaf
Chase Budinger
Corey Brewer
Brandon Roy
Andrei Kirilenko
JJ Barrea
Traded 18th pick for Chase Budinger
For the most part one giant injury group, I mean it's comical how little this has worked out. A lot of that has to do with the team always being bad and tanking, morale, etc. I do understand.
As for Garnett, I know he loves the game and doesn't probably want it to ever end. But for the life of me I can't figure why he would want to keep doing the traveling part, and just sitting on the bench as a player not playing. Unless he really does think he can get his body right to play next year. Is that realistically possible? No. But would he think he could do it? I'm sure. He obviously is being kept around as a player-coach we know that, and potentially (and hopefully) part of ownership but I still would be shocked if he really does come back as a player again next year. One wild card: He thinks the team will be really good. Another wild card: His movements are based on who is going to be coaching next year....no doubt.
Since the firing of Kurt Rambis (2011) here are all the name signings for the team:
Andre Miller
T. Prince
Ronny Turiaf
Chase Budinger
Corey Brewer
Brandon Roy
Andrei Kirilenko
JJ Barrea
Traded 18th pick for Chase Budinger
For the most part one giant injury group, I mean it's comical how little this has worked out. A lot of that has to do with the team always being bad and tanking, morale, etc. I do understand.
As for Garnett, I know he loves the game and doesn't probably want it to ever end. But for the life of me I can't figure why he would want to keep doing the traveling part, and just sitting on the bench as a player not playing. Unless he really does think he can get his body right to play next year. Is that realistically possible? No. But would he think he could do it? I'm sure. He obviously is being kept around as a player-coach we know that, and potentially (and hopefully) part of ownership but I still would be shocked if he really does come back as a player again next year. One wild card: He thinks the team will be really good. Another wild card: His movements are based on who is going to be coaching next year....no doubt.
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Your understanding of that list is the same as mine - and probably 'Dre Milla/The Professor's based on his comments on the Chris Mannix podcast. The team found out by December when they went on that long losing streak after starting 8-8 that their upside/% chance at a turnaround was slim to none so they kept with the Lavine PG experiment w/ Dre getting like 5 MPG all the way from Nov. and into Dec.
Considering Miller's been scooped up by the Spurs and already made a few starts on the road. Road because the home streak is all they're playing for now seeing as how they're unlikely to get the No. 1 seed even though they were right there all season, and too far ahead of OKC to fall to No. 3... but he still is playing over 15 minutes per game in some of the Spurs home games in which they're protecting something that is pretty historic.
So Miller's POV when he was with us, in light of all the run he's getting currently, had to be, 'Well damn. Can't even call on me to run this backup unit in Minnesota? Is that really what we're doing, so we have no expectations in-house huh? The Experiment continues.'
I think the wasteland of FA pickups in this town since, really, Spree/Cassell were open to coming in summer 2003, is to the degree of wasteland that it is because most outsiders have viewed this as a non-desirable destination outright, and then visibly in a transitional phase. That being said, I have trouble explaining the lack of FA's - good FA's - from 2004-2007 when KG was still around, but maybe unbeknownst to us most knew he was leaving within a few calendar years so why even mess with that? 'He can come to us we can try to get that done if he wants.' Who really knows, but this summer there should be reason to sign like a four-year deal if you're a FA whose 27 and maybe in the top 20-25 available names.
Really, someone who wants to dig into a place, an organization that should have a rising record each year if talent begins to accumulate (there's something to be said about being on the Rockets right now, and then going to a place with a high chance of little adversity since the general feeling we all have is steady chunks of improvement year after year, maybe even a jump. There's little to complain about when progress is made from year-to-year). They'd be signing up for a half decade with a team that'll have a 24-year-old Karl-Anthony Towns on it when their own contract's up, with the chance to recalibrate, possibly re-up with a team that'll also have Towns' 24-28 years.
There's value in just being a part of the nucleus that is around Towns from the years of 23-32 about when you think of how many players in this league actually elevate by themselves (him looking like one of those in the future where we stand today) but it'll be much harder to move out of this transitional phase permanently within 2-3 years if the theoretical outsiders/FAs that are potentially interested in Minnesota don't jump in before the transition to playoff-caliber (few years out, maybe two) officially makes its way onto the general public's radar. You almost need people to jump in too because we're not an organization that can afford to depend solely on the jewels brought to us from the people Glen Taylor hires.
Considering Miller's been scooped up by the Spurs and already made a few starts on the road. Road because the home streak is all they're playing for now seeing as how they're unlikely to get the No. 1 seed even though they were right there all season, and too far ahead of OKC to fall to No. 3... but he still is playing over 15 minutes per game in some of the Spurs home games in which they're protecting something that is pretty historic.
So Miller's POV when he was with us, in light of all the run he's getting currently, had to be, 'Well damn. Can't even call on me to run this backup unit in Minnesota? Is that really what we're doing, so we have no expectations in-house huh? The Experiment continues.'
I think the wasteland of FA pickups in this town since, really, Spree/Cassell were open to coming in summer 2003, is to the degree of wasteland that it is because most outsiders have viewed this as a non-desirable destination outright, and then visibly in a transitional phase. That being said, I have trouble explaining the lack of FA's - good FA's - from 2004-2007 when KG was still around, but maybe unbeknownst to us most knew he was leaving within a few calendar years so why even mess with that? 'He can come to us we can try to get that done if he wants.' Who really knows, but this summer there should be reason to sign like a four-year deal if you're a FA whose 27 and maybe in the top 20-25 available names.
Really, someone who wants to dig into a place, an organization that should have a rising record each year if talent begins to accumulate (there's something to be said about being on the Rockets right now, and then going to a place with a high chance of little adversity since the general feeling we all have is steady chunks of improvement year after year, maybe even a jump. There's little to complain about when progress is made from year-to-year). They'd be signing up for a half decade with a team that'll have a 24-year-old Karl-Anthony Towns on it when their own contract's up, with the chance to recalibrate, possibly re-up with a team that'll also have Towns' 24-28 years.
There's value in just being a part of the nucleus that is around Towns from the years of 23-32 about when you think of how many players in this league actually elevate by themselves (him looking like one of those in the future where we stand today) but it'll be much harder to move out of this transitional phase permanently within 2-3 years if the theoretical outsiders/FAs that are potentially interested in Minnesota don't jump in before the transition to playoff-caliber (few years out, maybe two) officially makes its way onto the general public's radar. You almost need people to jump in too because we're not an organization that can afford to depend solely on the jewels brought to us from the people Glen Taylor hires.
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Sam Mitchell's use of the timeout is interesting, if not unorthodox -- but I like it.
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SI goes in-depth with the Wolves and Wiggins:
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/04/05/an...-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns-sam-mitchell
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/04/05/an...-timberwolves-karl-anthony-towns-sam-mitchell
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I cringe watching that post game interview by Wiggins.
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Wiggins just speaking the truth regarding the future 
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Missed the 2nd half.. What was said in the interview 
Edit: Just watched it and it was not bad.. Marv Albert tripping. Win on any given night was proven last night.. He praised them saying they were the best team with the best record. When we make the playoffs this is the team to beat.. And GS is a team they may face next year if we make the playoffs as a 7-8th seed. Some things could have been said better but I don't think it was delusional at all.. Shame on you Marv and TNT
Edit: Just watched it and it was not bad.. Marv Albert tripping. Win on any given night was proven last night.. He praised them saying they were the best team with the best record. When we make the playoffs this is the team to beat.. And GS is a team they may face next year if we make the playoffs as a 7-8th seed. Some things could have been said better but I don't think it was delusional at all.. Shame on you Marv and TNT
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Nice to see Shabazz shoot his way out of the slump he was in. Awesome win last night
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Insane!
Cliffs on what was said post-game?
PS I don't mess with S.C. anymore but LMAO at how they "present" game highlights. I saw the segment on the game this morning and you would have thought Steph Curry was playing tennis (i.e. and individual sport) and no one else was participating. Five minutes of only highlights of Curry and no one else, every shot of Curry on bench, leaving court, in locker room, post game comments, etc. Nothing from rest of his team and (barely) nothing on Wolves. It's a wonder why I quit with this company years ago.
Cliffs on what was said post-game?
PS I don't mess with S.C. anymore but LMAO at how they "present" game highlights. I saw the segment on the game this morning and you would have thought Steph Curry was playing tennis (i.e. and individual sport) and no one else was participating. Five minutes of only highlights of Curry and no one else, every shot of Curry on bench, leaving court, in locker room, post game comments, etc. Nothing from rest of his team and (barely) nothing on Wolves. It's a wonder why I quit with this company years ago.
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Nothing he said was delusional.. Wigg just needed to word some of it a little better. He was rushing a lot of it, his interview skills will get better with time
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everybody jumped on him about saying "they're a team we'll have to beat/play in the playoffs". He obviously meant in the future. I'm all in for him claiming they are a near future playoff team.
I think folks just jumped on him because of poor articulation. Mostly trolling, imo. idgaf about how articulate he is/not. I just want to see these guys hoop and compete at the highest level.
I think folks just jumped on him because of poor articulation. Mostly trolling, imo. idgaf about how articulate he is/not. I just want to see these guys hoop and compete at the highest level.
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Yea his mic skills made me cringe. I got a Timmy vibe of not wanting to be in front of the camera. I feel like Zach and Kat have that confidence in interviews. But that will grow with time with Andrew.
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You also have to think about this. They just beat the best team in the league on the road in overtime - think he was a little excited? Think his mind was anywhere near that interview? Think he had interest in even giving that interview?
I just hate those in-game and post-game interviews so much...Q: "how did you guys pull out the win tonight?" A: "we played as a team and had good defense" Q: "coach, what do you need to do in the second half to slow ____ down?" A: "we need to stay in front of him and force him to take tough shots."
Like really, REALLY? Rarely is any answer given in one of those interviews not obvious to everyone watching.
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I can't wait for a coach to say, "Hey this team sucks so we don't have to try." 