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This class ruined it for everyone. Once a ton of roleplayers and non-top 10 prospects started coming out, it was a wrap. They took it too far.
And making them go to school for one year changed what exactly?

Because there damn sure are non-top 10 prospect one and done's coming into the league.
 
[h3]Tyreke Evans, Norris Cole officially listed as questionable for Tuesday[/h3]
Evans and Cole both seem to be on the right side of the questionable tag, which would certainly muddy the waters in terms of rotations at the guard/wing spots. Evans and Cole will greatly diminish the value of Ish Smith, who is still seeing big minutes with Jrue Holiday working his way back to full strength. Eric Gordon's value also takes a dip if the Pelicans don't want to keep running him for heavy minutes night in and night out.
 
The ability to play a sport will =/= the ability to understand and explicate the mechanics behind the sport.

It's the same reason why the best players don't make the best coaches, the same reason that Hakeem isn't the best player development coach.




I'll give you an example, ask Steph Curry or other great shooters what makes a great 3 point shooters, they will say go "straight up straight down," feet square to the basket"


Must be good advice coming from Steph Curry right?


Wrong.


Steph doesn't square/sholders his feet to the basket, and he doesn't go straight up straight, basically ZERO great shooters do. THeir body is usually at a 45 degree angle, and they DON'T go straight up adn down they actually jump sweep ther feet forward, sway there shoulders back and turn as they shoot.




Steph Curry the greatest shooter in the world doesn't even know how his OWN jumpshot works, but somehow I'm supposed to assume his opinion is superior to my own? Nah.

I'm not saying there experience is worthless but it isn't an automatic trump card.
this is every thing wrong with the modern no work experience college kid thinking hes hot **** because he can quote a few vocabulary words from a textbook and answer a few written test questions without ever doing anything practical.

knowledge without action is useless.

you know damn well you wouldnt even be talking this nonsense if it wasnt about kobe.

i would hope you have played basketball at any level at some point in your life before to understand this example:

if two players from two opposing teams get matched up with you each time you play said teams, and you struggle every time you face player A but feel like being matched up with player B is not that bad. are you really going to have any respect for the nerd in the 5th row who tells you after the game "but actually player B is a harder matchup" because of some spreadsheets?

the best way to understand the effectiveness of anything in life is to look at what is being effected.

If you're a teacher it doesnt matter if you have mastered every textbook student engagement method there is, if the kids learn more from some guy with no formal training then he is the better teacher.

If you're a boxer going on ESPN sport science and having some one who has never been hit before tell you that his computer says you have the most powerful punches in the world doesnt mean anything if your opponents know its the other guy who does more damage.

If you're Eminem I could personally write an essay on how the complex rhyme schemes and lyricism of MMLP2 make it the best album in the past few years. But it doesnt mean anything when the people who listen to the music find a bunch of other albums more enjoyable.

mechanics are great, I spend way too much of my time breaking things down and figuring out why things work like they do. but its all about the end result, if your peers feel like you are the best player of your generation that is all that matters. 

I mean, how arrogant, insecure and snobby does one have to be to sit behind a computer having accomplished nothing of importance in life and boast about knowing more about shooting a jumpshot than steph curry, the greatest shooter in the history of basketball?

Go do something with your life, maybe if you actually accomplish something rather than just knowing about the mechanics you wont feel the need to type these nonsense quotes to boost your ego.
 
A Few dudes like that on here . cause they talk educated , they think they know what they talking are talking bout .
 
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this is every thing wrong with the modern no work experience college kid thinking hes hot **** because he can quote a few vocabulary words from a textbook and answer a few written test questions without ever doing anything practical.

knowledge without action is useless.

you know damn well you wouldnt even be talking this nonsense if it wasnt about kobe.

i would hope you have played basketball at any level at some point in your life before to understand this example:

if two players from two opposing teams get matched up with you each time you play said teams, and you struggle every time you face player A but feel like being matched up with player B is not that bad. are you really going to have any respect for the nerd in the 5th row who tells you after the game "but actually player B is a harder matchup" because of some spreadsheets?

the best way to understand the effectiveness of anything in life is to look at what is being effected.

If you're a teacher it doesnt matter if you have mastered every textbook student engagement method there is, if the kids learn more from some guy with no formal training then he is the better teacher.

If you're a boxer going on ESPN sport science and having some one who has never been hit before tell you that his computer says you have the most powerful punches in the world doesnt mean anything if your opponents know its the other guy who does more damage.

If you're Eminem I could personally write an essay on how the complex rhyme schemes and lyricism of MMLP2 make it the best album in the past few years. But it doesnt mean anything when the people who listen to the music find a bunch of other albums more enjoyable.

mechanics are great, I spend way too much of my time breaking things down and figuring out why things work like they do. but its all about the end result, if your peers feel like you are the best player of your generation that is all that matters. 


I mean, how arrogant, insecure and snobby does one have to be to sit behind a computer having accomplished nothing of importance in life and boast about knowing more about shooting a jumpshot than steph curry, the greatest shooter in the history of basketball?

Go do something with your life, maybe if you actually accomplish something rather than just knowing about the mechanics you wont feel the need to type these nonsense quotes to boost your ego.


Whoa cheif...did I touch a nerve? :lol:

You always seems so concerned, constantly griping about imaginary nerds tyrannically judging your intelligence while sitting on a thrown of spread sheets. I think one of us is in desperate need of an ego boost, and its not me.

I'm not going to gon on and on with this because this is clearly something that is more...personal for you.


But the idea that doing and teaching are two different skill sets is not that is something shocking or revolutionary. It's confirmed by the construction of our society and it's confirmed by I don't know the entire history of organized sports.


Wayne Gretsky is a terrible coach.
Michael Jordan is a terrible GM.
Hakeem Olajuwan is a bad skills development coach.
Magic Johnson is a terrible analyst.


Understanding and being able to explain WHY something happens is a different skills set than being able to MAKE something happen. It's not complex or contreversial. :lol:
 
I see seamanup in other threads, so I forget that he's capable of writing long essays.

I remember now.

Not that there's anything wrong with long essays lol
 
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there are two kinds of people in the nba thead

those that enjoy the community and have fun taking about basketball

and those who post pseudo-intellectual nonsense in a sorry attempt to boost their fragile ego 
truer words have never been spoken. .... 
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It's also hilarious, that the guy who spends most of his time getting off cheap jokes and calling NBA players "losers"


Players who without exception are more successful at their chosen profession then any of us will be at anything we attempt to do.




So wait who is trying to boost their ego here? :lol:





I think I understand; every time you call Chris Paul a loser, you feel a little better about your own existence...so who am I to take that away from you?

*shrugs*
 
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But the idea that doing and teaching are two different skill sets is not that is something shocking or revolutionary. It's confirmed by the construction of our society and it's confirmed by I don't know the entire history of organized sports.


Wayne Gretsky is a terrible coach.
Michael Jordan is a terrible GM.
Hakeem Olajuwan is a bad skills development coach.
Magic Johnson is a terrible analyst.


Understanding and being able to explain WHY something happens is a different skills set than being able to MAKE something happen. It's not complex or contreversial.
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this is not about teaching, this is about the effectiveness of a players actions. there is no better evaluator of that than the same people on the floor as the player.

it doesnt matter that wayne gretsky is a terrible coach, that is a totally different skill than physically matching up with a player and finding out he's tougher to play than the next guy

it doesnt matter that michael jordan is a terrible GM, that is a totally different skill than physically matching up with a player and finding out he's tougher to play than the next guy

it doesnt matter that hakeem is a bad skills development coach, that is a totally different skill than physically matching up with a player and finding out he's tougher to play than the next guy

it doesnt matter that magic johnson is a terrible analyst, that is a totally different skill than physically matching up with a player and finding out he's tougher to play than the next guy

your straw man arguments are making you look foolish.

it doesnt matter that byron scott is the worst coach in basketball, if he thinks that john stockton was a better player than gary payton from personal experience then that's all there is to it. your spreadsheets dont mean anything, your 45 degree angles dont mean anything, your true shooting % doesnt mean anything. If the people who have actually put in the work in life to step on a basketball court think a player is the best then that's all that matters. i'm sorry but all your pride in what you know is worthless, it wont change the experiences of people who have actually faced these all time greats. 
 
All this because someone thinks TD is greater than Kobe? That's not an unpopular opinion. I'm sure plenty of players are gonna be calling TD the greatest player of this generation once he retires. Obviously no current player is going to open that can of worms now and call Kobe the 2nd or 3rd best.
 
this is not about teaching, this is about the effectiveness of a players actions. there is no better evaluator of that than the same people on the floor as the player.

it doesnt matter that wayne gretsky is a terrible coach, that is a totally different skill than physically matching up with a player and finding out he's tougher to play than the next guy

it doesnt matter that michael jordan is a terrible GM, that is a totally different skill than physically matching up with a player and finding out he's tougher to play than the next guy

it doesnt matter that hakeem is a bad skills development coach, that is a totally different skill than physically matching up with a player and finding out he's tougher to play than the next guy

it doesnt matter that magic johnson is a terrible analyst, that is a totally different skill than physically matching up with a player and finding out he's tougher to play than the next guy

your straw man arguments are making you look foolish.

it doesnt matter that byron scott is the worst coach in basketball, if he thinks that john stockton was a better player than gary payton from personal experience then that's all there is to it. your spreadsheets dont mean anything, your 45 degree angles dont mean anything, your true shooting % doesnt mean anything. If the people who have actually put in the work in life to step on a basketball court think a player is the best then that's all that matters. i'm sorry but all your pride in what you know is worthless, it wont change the experiences of people who have actually faced these all time greats. 


No it's not actually a strawman it's the essential crux of the argument. Having an experience vs being able to put that experience into context. The experience is worthless if you can't understand how it applys to the question.

being good enough to play in the NBA is not the same as having the mental equity to accurately gauge the value of anecdotal experience vs all the other available evidence and accuatley ***** the value of a player.


Steve Jobs had no experience as a programmer, no experience as engineer, but he had an ability to understand and apply these disprate concepts towards solving a problem. Ultimatley all the experience in the world wasn't going to make the Iphone. But steve Jobs did.




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I really can't belive I'm explaining this.
 
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Uhhh whats goin on here guys? :lol:

And i heard Oak was going 104 on the Ben Franklin bridge, is this true?! Dude losing it if so :smh:
 
Every once in a while Seaman wants to be taken seriously but the thing is you spend 99% of the time trolling and calling great players washed, losers, and bums. You never miss a chance to **** on LeBron or Chris Paul. Someone states their opinion about Kobe and you wanna serious and take personal shots :lol:

And who made the backup account to cosign you? :rofl:
 
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It's also hilarious, that the guy who spends most of his time getting off cheap jokes and calling NBA players "losers"


Players who without exception are more successful at their chosen profession then any of us will be at anything we attempt to do.




So wait who is trying to boost their ego here?
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I think I understand; every time you call Chris Paul a loser, you feel a little better about your own existence...so who am I to take that away from you?

*shrugs*
i understand why you would think this way, but I'm not you

I don't take my self anywhere near as serious as you do

I understand how to have an actual conversation with people

I understand what a joke is and dont have a stick up my ***

I dont spend every post trying to drop pseudo-knowledge on these "uneducated basketball fans"

take a breath, grab a beer and enjoy the banter in here for once. life sucks if you take everything so seriously 
 
Experience is not irrelevant, but don't let your desire to defend Kobe's place in history delude yourself into thinking that it's only way to understand anything.
 
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