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Because everything we have seen this season so far demonstrates that Kobe will be willing to take a backseat role on any team
So are you for or against Kobe going? I couldn't tell lol

It's not even about role, it's about giving him the chance to go because he's earned it. With his NBA accomplishments as well as what he did in 2008 to pretty much win the Gold medal game for them at the end
 
Because everything we have seen this season so far demonstrates that Kobe will be willing to take a backseat role on any team
So are you for or against Kobe going? I couldn't tell lol

It's not even about role, it's about giving him the chance to go because he's earned it. With his NBA accomplishments as well as what he did in 2008 to pretty much win the Gold medal game for them at the end

He earned whatever he has already received.. If anyone should get the spot it's Duncan, who can still justify a role on any team

Role players have specific roles, what exactly is kobe's?

I think a young up and coming guy should be given the spot.. Like harden on the 2012 team
 
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he hasn‘t earned it, and the committee aint about past n prior accomplishments. its about putting the best team given the matchup and competition.

the heck with this kobe should be on the olympic team. that would be full propagnda.

even if kobes usuage rate was that good, that efficient, the man himself said he was tired and didn‘t wanna do this anymore. what part of retirement do you peeps not get?
 
Man, Kobe ain't going to be the difference between a gold/silver medal for the US. Let him get his last hurrah in the Olympics. He's more than earned it and he'll obviously take a backseat to the guys in front of him. I think there is a respect factor involved, one in which he doesn't have for his current teammates. You can't compare Kobe, now, playing for the Lakers and the version we'd see in the Olympics.
 
I guess it depends on who you plan on leaving off the team if you add Kobe. If all of the top guys plan on playing, its going to be difficult seeing Kobe get in.

Paul George (I'm sure he's guaranteed a spot)
Demarcus Cousins
Stephen Curry
Klay Thompson
Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Andre Drummond
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Lebron James
Russell Westbrook

That's 12 guys right there. Then, you're still leaving out the possibility of the MVP from the previous summer in Kyrie Irving, plus guys like Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Bradley Beal, Draymond Green, etc. Best thing to happen for Kobe is that one or two of the top 12 guys pull out.
 
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He earned whatever he has already received.. If anyone should get the spot it's Duncan, who can still justify a role on any team

Role players have specific roles, what exactly is kobe's?

I think a young up and coming guy should be given the spot.. Like harden on the 2012 team
Duncan? He isn't even in the program 
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Again, there is no need for roles 
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 they are most likely going to have Curry, Durant etc. They will have shooters and big men. They can afford to have Kobe on the squad without a specific role
he hasn‘t earned it, and the committee aint about past n prior accomplishments. its about putting the best team given the matchup and competition.

the heck with this kobe should be on the olympic team. that would be full propagnda.

even if kobes usuage rate was that good, that efficient, the man himself said he was tired and didn‘t wanna do this anymore. what part of retirement do you peeps not get?
I disagree, they wouldn't have won Gold in 2008 if not for Kobe. He then came back in 2012 and won Gold again

They don't need the best team to win, if you've been paying attention to the competition 
 
The assumed end for Kobe Bryant will come on a Wednesday night in April at Staples Center. April 13, to be exact, when the Utah Jazz visit Kobe’s Los Angeles Lakers for the final regular-season game of Kobe’s 20th (and farewell) season.

Our advice?

Don’t assume.

It is more than conceivable that our last dose of Kobe hooping at the highest level could come in August, with those goodbye waves and thankful blown kisses to the crowd dispatched from atop a medal stand.

In Brazil.

The sheer math of it will undoubtedly make the mere suggestion sound outlandish to some. Give a roster spot to the battered Bryant for the Rio Olympics? With such a deep pool of players to pick from?

Trust me: No. 24 will draw serious consideration from USA Basketball elders Jerry Colangelo and Mike Krzyzewski -- two of the biggest Kobe fans on Planet Roundball -- if Bryant makes it to the summer in reasonably good health and makes himself available.

After Colangelo and Coach K's decade together in charge of the national team, it is well understood within the USAB inner sanctum that assembling a squad for the Olympics does not mean simply picking the 12 most talented players. Not for the competition that, unlike the FIBA Worlds, typically attracts every top American name in the game.

Not when the coach has only 40 minutes per game to dole out.

The 11th and 12th men, and maybe even the 10th man, can reasonably expect to do much more watching than playing. Which is why USAB, in similar circumstances, brought Jason Kidd to the Beijing Games in 2008 at age 35.

Kidd averaged 1.6 points and 2.0 assists per game for that Olympic team. He wasn’t there because his country needed him on the floor. He was there because Krzyzewski loved the leadership/presence/mentoring he could offer to the rest of Team USA as a virtual coach in uniform.

And that’s the same sort of role USAB would offer Bryant, at 37, if that's what makes sense for both sides at season’s end.

Colangelo, Krzyzewski and USAB executive Sean Ford have made it clear that they intend to use the whole NBA season to evaluate all of their options, since they're arguably staring at the hardest cutdown to 12 in the history of the program.

LeBron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Paul George, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard, Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, DeMarcus Cousins, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Love, John Wall, Jimmy Butler and Dwight Howard ... there’s a quick 20 names off the top of our heads to throw at you just to get the dissection and debate started. There are so many different ways USAB can go, while also allowing for the usual disclaimers that injuries and contractual conundrums that arise between now and the end of June will inevitably make some of the decisions for them.

In general, though, USAB officials like to see an old head (a la Kidd in 2008) or a fresh-faced future star (like The Brow suiting up at the 2012 Olympics before he had ever spent a minute in the NBA) on the end of the bench. It's proven to be a wiser approach than stuffing the roster with a dozen dudes who merit major minutes, which would only set Krzyzewski up to find two or three of them seething about sitting.

What the USAB folks won't (and obviously can’t) say, meanwhile, is that the threat of losing in Rio isn't nearly what it was in Beijing or London. As we've lamented in this space more than once since the 2014 FIBA World Cup, we've actually hit a bumpy patch worldwide where the gap between Team USA and the rest of the world is regrettably widening when it should be shrinking. Once-mighty Spain is aging and no other country in circulation has been able to establish itself as a foe that can legitimately steal a gold-medal game from the Yanks.

Which is to say that there is absolutely zero basketball risk in giving Kobe a seat on the plane to Brazil at the expense of a player who presumably has more to contribute numbers-wise.

We repeat: Consider this an SLL-engraved guarantee that the United States, no matter who else it sees in the 12-team tournament next Aug. 5-21, will be collecting another round of gold medals on Aug. 21, 2016.

So why not let Bryant, two days before his 38th birthday, go out in glory?

Maybe he won't be healthy enough to play top-level basketball in July (USAB training camp) and August. Maybe he won’t even have the emotional fuel to make the trip. Maybe Bryant will ultimately decide, after becoming the first player in league history to spend 20 seasons with the same team, that he wants our last meaningful glimpse of him on hardwood to come in Lakers colors.

Yet you can rest assured that bringing Bryant to Brazil isn't going to hurt the team one whit. It’s likewise a safe assumption that playing with all those American stars, as well as that shorter 3-point line, would help Kobe look a lot better than he has in this opening quarter of his swansong in Lakerland, where he's been plagued by a lack of explosion to create openings for shots on top of his own stubbornness ... but also the sort of proven talent around him to make the game a little easier.

I know, I know. I hear the Kobe Haters in the audience shouting: How many farewell tours does this guy need? The Lakers have 64 games left on their schedule. There’s every chance Bryant will be voted in to start in the All-Star Game in Toronto on Feb. 14. Do we really have to send him to the Olympics, too?

No.

We don’t have to.

It has to be right for everyone involved.

Yet if you’ve had the privilege to follow Team USA around with Ambassador Kobe decked out in red, white and blue, and to see how much he means to basketball fans abroad with his top-10-ish of all-time resume and his flawless Italian and Spanish, you can’t help but be intrigued by the idea.

Especially when you’re an unapologetically sappy basketball romantic like moi.
http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4118/why-kobe-could-make-rio-olympics-cut
 
I guess it depends on who you plan on leaving off the team if you add Kobe. If all of the top guys plan on playing, its going to be difficult seeing Kobe get in.

Paul George (I'm sure he's guaranteed a spot)
Demarcus Cousins
Stephen Curry
Klay Thompson
Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Andre Drummond
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Lebron James
Russell Westbrook

That's 12 guys right there. Then, you're still leaving out the possibility of the MVP from the previous summer in Kyrie Irving, plus guys like Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Bradley Beal, Draymond Green, etc. Best thing to happen for Kobe is that one or two of the top 12 guys pull out.

Bye, Klay.
 
He earned whatever he has already received.. If anyone should get the spot it's Duncan, who can still justify a role on any team


Role players have specific roles, what exactly is kobe's?


I think a young up and coming guy should be given the spot.. Like harden on the 2012 team
Duncan? He isn't even in the program :lol:  

Again, there is no need for roles :lol:  they are most likely going to have Curry, Durant etc. They will have shooters and big men. They can afford to have Kobe on the squad without a specific role

Duncan was on the 2004 team.. And is an older guy who can have a valuable role on the team as he can backup both big spots (and do it well).. And he has demonstrated with the Spurs that he can take lesser roles for the good of the team

Plus pop, his coach, is heavily involved with team USA




Putting Kobe on the team would be the exact same thing as if they were to introduce American football into the Olympics..

And then team USA using the logic, we have 3 QB spots so we should add Peyton manning as the 3rd QB because all the stats he has put up in the pass
 
Duncan? He isn't even in the program :lol:  

Again, there is no need for roles :lol:  they are most likely going to have Curry, Durant etc. They will have shooters and big men. They can afford to have Kobe on the squad without a specific role

I disagree, they wouldn't have won Gold in 2008 if not for Kobe. He then came back in 2012 and won Gold again

They don't need the best team to win, if you've been paying attention to the competition 

I get your point, but I think the preparation approach team usa is now taking is probably the reason why we are in our winning ways again.

I just don‘t see the need to feed into this propaganda. If Kobe was playing on a high note, still wanted to play but decided to retire, then that‘s another topic in itself. But he isn‘t.

Another thing though, you‘re supposed to be developing and passing on the torch and giving guys the experience. Don‘t forget the many guys who flaked, like KD.
 
Can't even compare Kidd and Kobe. Later in his career, Kidd was a spot up shooter who would move the ball constantly, play tough defense and help whatever team he was on gel. He was a real mentor type player on hat squad.

Kobe is on a young team and openly gives no damn about them or their development. He's shown no ability to take a back seat.

Don't let Kobe disgrace the country :lol:
 
Duncan was on the 2004 team.. And is an older guy who can have a valuable role on the team as he can backup both big spots (and do it well).. And he has demonstrated with the Spurs that he can take lesser roles for the good of the team

Plus pop, his coach, is heavily involved with team USA




Putting Kobe on the team would be the exact same thing as if they were to introduce American football into the Olympics..

And then team USA using the logic, we have 3 QB spots so we should add Peyton manning as the 3rd QB because all the stats he has put up in the pass
2004 was before the new regime took over and made it mandatory to enroll in the program to be considered. Plus, Duncan aint wanna play 
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If Duncan wanted to participate, he would have a loooong time ago. He got soured by his experience in 2004 when he lost

You are so focused on roles and ignore the fact that the team will win regardless
 
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Because everything we have seen this season so far demonstrates that Kobe will be willing to take a backseat role on any team

You dudes are going to play the whole "Kobe is selfish" angle until he dies apparently. Do you serious believe that Kobe Bryant is campaigning to be on the team and take a primary role?

You honestly believe that?
 
He earned whatever he has already received.. If anyone should get the spot it's Duncan, who can still justify a role on any team

Role players have specific roles, what exactly is kobe's?

I think a young up and coming guy should be given the spot.. Like harden on the 2012 team

Tim Duncan isn't even apart of the pool so why bring him up?
 
I get your point, but I think the preparation approach team usa is now taking is probably the reason why we are in our winning ways again.

I just don‘t see the need to feed into this propaganda. If Kobe was playing on a high note, still wanted to play but decided to retire, then that‘s another topic in itself. But he isn‘t.

Another thing though, you‘re supposed to be developing and passing on the torch and giving guys the experience. Don‘t forget the many guys who flaked, like KD.
When Kobe, Lebby etc. decided that USA was a priority, all the players followed suit. As the OG, he should have spot reserved IMO. When the new regime took over, it took buy in for the players to make USA a priority. They made it "cool" again to play for Team USA

But yeah your other points about propaganda and stuff that's another topic 
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Kobe taking one spot won't hinder the youth development, trust me
 
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If this were 2008 and a washed player wanted to get in, I'm not considering it because of the competition. Even if said washed player was as decorated as Kobe and had helped win Gold in the past

2016 competition will not be fierce
 
If this were 2008 and a washed player wanted to get in, I'm not considering it because of the competition. Even if said washed player was as decorated as Kobe and had helped win Gold in the past

2016 competition will not be fierce

The thing that kills me is that we all know...tons of people just don't like Kobe and now that he's washed its a lot easier to spew negative rhetoric about him.

I respect someone who just doesn't like him, and thinks he should just fade away. But the ones that sit up here and try to rationalize being against him occupying the human victory cigar role...with nonsense like "player development"...that's what I don't respect. Just come out and say you don't like Kobe. You look ******ed trying to pretend like you give a **** about player development.

I can see now if they were to lose (which absolutely won't happen) dudes would be like "see...if
Gordon Hayward was on the team instead of Kobe they wouldn't have lost".

**** outta here
 
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I guess it depends on who you plan on leaving off the team if you add Kobe. If all of the top guys plan on playing, its going to be difficult seeing Kobe get in.

Paul George (I'm sure he's guaranteed a spot)
Demarcus Cousins
Stephen Curry
Klay Thompson
Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Andre Drummond
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Lebron James
Russell Westbrook

That's 12 guys right there. Then, you're still leaving out the possibility of the MVP from the previous summer in Kyrie Irving, plus guys like Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard, Bradley Beal, Draymond Green, etc. Best thing to happen for Kobe is that one or two of the top 12 guys pull out.

Been saying no matter how Paul George played this season he was getting in regardless. After the injury him and the Pacers organization single handedly could have deaded NBA players from going to the Olympics if they would have came out with negativity. But they kept it positive and just off that alone he HAS to be there.

Kobe is in at the very least because it would be Nike (team outfitter) last chance to make money of him on a competitive stage. I don't think alot of people realize that. At this point the only question is, will he come off the bench or be the only player who starts every game?
 
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It'd be different watching a healthy Kobe being a human victory cigar.

I don't know if he'd sign up for that when the time comes.
 
The thing that kills me is that we all know...tons of people just don't like Kobe and now that he's washed its a lot easier to spew negative rhetoric about him.

I respect someone who just doesn't like him, and thinks he should just fade away. But the ones that sit up here and try to rationalize being against him occupying the human victory cigar role...with nonsense like "player development"...that's what I don't respect. Just come out and say you don't like Kobe. You look ******ed trying to pretend like you give a **** about player development.

I can see now if they were to lose (which absolutely won't happen) dudes would be like "see...if
Gordon Hayward was on the team instead of Kobe they wouldn't have lost".

**** outta here
Plus as I've been saying, there's going to be injuries and other circumstances that pop up in June/July that will prevent a few or more names to drop off

PMatic's article was really good, it said what we've been saying already 
 
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