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i never said he wasn't skilled, i said 'skill for skill', meaning he has skills, but if you take each skill he has and judge them against other, with all things being equal, meaning, excusing the athleticism for a minute, then his skills come out weaker. That's all. His athleticism is what makes him special, not necessarily his basketball skills. He is a gifted passer. But besides passing and his physical gifts, can you name any other strengths? I mean clearly he has found a way to fully utilize all that he has, we're just having a conversation, this isn't about hate. just fact and fabrication.

and bro..his fundamentals are awful. You serious? That's not even hate. It's facts. He he seriously flawed in some of the most basic concepts. He hasn't learned anything since he uttered 'crab dribble' on live television.

Alright so this is your explanation and it still sounds like reaching.

LeBron's offensive game has improved over the last 5-6 years. The way you put it was like he's Dwight and his game has been stagnant.
 
Please don't move the 3pt line back.

I'm in favor of a wider court tho, especially at the college level

wider court means nothing if the 3 point line is the same.


Im starting to think they need to move it back. its Demare Carrol is making 64 million to shoott 3's and play good defense, and Ben Simmons might be unplayable at the next level. how is that good?
 
It's an interesting discussion to be had, what kind of game do we want to see.

It's not as simple as saying "Oh just learn to shoot".. because it wasn't always a requirement that your 6'9" power forward had to also be a good shooter.. but nowadays, if he can't stretch the floor, you're at a distinct disadvantage. 

There's nothing stopping players for playing like that.. or teams fielding a more old school, traditional lineup, but when you match up against a team that can shoot the 3 ball 1-4, stretch the floor, and push the pace, you cannot trot out those old school kind of lineups. And that's the transition we've seen in recent years. I think we can all be caught up in the excitement and fun of the Warriors, Steph, and similar style of play, but like Osh said, it leaves a lot of talented and capable players on the outside looking in.
 
i never said he wasn't skilled, i said 'skill for skill', meaning he has skills, but if you take each skill he has and judge them against other, with all things being equal, meaning, excusing the athleticism for a minute, then his skills come out weaker. That's all. His athleticism is what makes him special, not necessarily his basketball skills. He is a gifted passer. But besides passing and his physical gifts, can you name any other strengths? I mean clearly he has found a way to fully utilize all that he has, we're just having a conversation, this isn't about hate. just fact and fabrication.

and bro..his fundamentals are awful. You serious? That's not even hate. It's facts. He he seriously flawed in some of the most basic concepts. He hasn't learned anything since he uttered 'crab dribble' on live television.

Alright so this is your explanation and it still sounds like reaching.

LeBron's offensive game has improved over the last 5-6 years. The way you put it was like he's Dwight and his game has been stagnant.

wait..his offensive game has improved over the last 5-6yrs?? how sway?
 
I don't want to live in a world where Josh Smith isn't taking stupid, ill advised threes.
 
When the Blake Griffin drama was happening, I thought "could the raptors get him?".

Then I thought well he can't shoot 3's or protect the rim, so would we really be better with him?



The fact that this thought would cross my mind is BAD for basketball. :lol:
 
Yea maybe I'm dumb but I don't understand the rationale behind widening the court. Seems like it would just be easier to shoot corner threes where guys like Steph and Wes Johnson never miss
 
Yea maybe I'm dumb but I don't understand the rationale behind widening the court. Seems like it would just be easier to shoot corner threes where guys like Steph and Wes Johnson never miss

you have to also move the 3 point line back and make it equal on all sides.
 
When the Blake Griffin drama was happening, I thought "could the raptors get him?".

Then I thought well he can't shoot 3's or protect the rim, so would we really be better with him?



The fact that this thought would cross my mind is BAD for basketball. :lol:

its the truth tho
 
I don't want to live in a world where Josh Smith  Nick Young isn't taking stupid, ill advised threes.
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Moving the 3 point line back will affect everyone but Steph

Widening the court will just make it easier for dudes who can shoot to shoot from the sides, but maybe it will also benefit slashers too.
 
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widening the court would just burn guys out even faster with more running. and it would just open the court up for faster paced teams and more fast breaks.
 
thing is...tony allen types...its incredible hard to find a plockdown defender that can also score for you. i mean we have kawhi, but steph gave him 30 during commercial break. So then if you do end up with a tony allen, you end up with the same issue that memphis and boston had, having to play 4 on 5 on offense, and letting the player tony is guarding not have to guard him so they can bring the double every possession. There are few good two way players in the L. and then 94 feet or hell, even 47 ft of lockdown defense is difficult af for even the most conditioned. dudes will burnout. plus, all good defender bite on crossovers and pumpfakes. its part of defense. you have to believe that the player is going to go when they look like they're going. if you gamble and assume they're just crossing you and you stay put, and they actually do go that way, you've just been beaten and are out of position. just look at the MJ/AI thing. everybody knows mike was a monster defender. He had no choice but to bite on those crosses. It's up to the offensive player to sell them.

All of this plus what people fail to realize is that these are MONSTERS. Playing organized ball coming up and just in general there are guys I'm sure we played against and you like man this dude is nice it's nothing I can do to stop this cat. so just imagine a dude a million times better. There is no locking up a Superstar NBA player. All this he can or can't guard a player is really invalid because your talking about guarding an ELITE player. You can only hope to contain these cats. And to be real nobody in the L is locking up like that. A cat might have a bad shooting night but if he still getting 18-20 did you really lock him up?
 
Moving the 3 point line back will affect everyone but Steph

Widening the court will just make it easier for dudes who can shoot to shoot from the sides

im not trying to stop steph. you can't.

I'm trying to bring back a variety of effetive stratgies.


the 3 point line makes it so that every team has to run spread pick and roll with 4 shooters 90% because its the only winning strategy. a league where 6'10, great ball handler passer might not be able to play because he can't shoot 3's.
 
Domatas Sabonis is an incredibly rebounder, really good post player, fun to watch....but he can't shoot 3's so probably can't play.

If Aaron Gordon never learns to shoot, he can't be a stsr player.


Is that what we want out of baskatball a league where its better to play Demare Carrol instead of Aaron Gordon?

Did you just listen to the Bill Simmons podcast? :lol:

I can't disagree more with this.

Duncan and Aldridge do just fine offensively.

Blake and DeAndre consistently are parts of top regular season offenses.

No one thought AD was unplayable cause he didn't shoot 3s last year.

The problem with Simmons is that he can't and doesn't shoot FROM ANYWHERE that isn't a layup or a floater. That would be a problem in any era unless you're a Shaq type. It limits his ceiling but doesn't make him unplayable.

Put Simmons next to a stretch 5 and he's fine.
 
Moving the 3 point line back will affect everyone but Steph

Widening the court will just make it easier for dudes who can shoot to shoot from the sides

im not trying to stop steph. you can't.

I'm trying to bring back a variety of effetive stratgies.


the 3 point line makes it so that every team has to run spread pick and roll with 4 shooters 90% because its the only winning strategy. a league where 6'10, great ball handler passer might not be able to play because he can't shoot 3's.

then u better tell that boi to put on sum weight and switch to the 5. all im hearing from u is loser talk
 
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Did you just listen to the Bill Simmons podcast? :lol:

I can't disagree more with this.

Duncan and Aldridge do just fine offensively.

Blake and DeAndre consistently are parts of top regular season offenses.

No one thought AD was unplayable cause he didn't shoot 3s last year.

The problem with Simmons is that he can't and doesn't shoot FROM ANYWHERE that isn't a layup or a floater. That would be a problem in any era unless you're a Shaq type. It limits his ceiling but doesn't make him unplayable.

Put Simmons next to a stretch 5 and he's fine.


i havent listen to it yet.
 
Domatas Sabonis is an incredibly rebounder, really good post player, fun to watch....but he can't shoot 3's so probably can't play.

If Aaron Gordon never learns to shoot, he can't be a stsr player.


Is that what we want out of baskatball a league where its better to play Demare Carrol instead of Aaron Gordon?

Did you just listen to the Bill Simmons podcast? :lol:

I can't disagree more with this.

Duncan and Aldridge do just fine offensively.

Blake and DeAndre consistently are parts of top regular season offenses.

No one thought AD was unplayable cause he didn't shoot 3s last year.

The problem with Simmons is that he can't and doesn't shoot FROM ANYWHERE that isn't a layup or a floater. That would be a problem in any era unless you're a Shaq type. It limits his ceiling but doesn't make him unplayable.

Put Simmons next to a stretch 5 and he's fine.

yea but the majority of deandre's scores are assited or putbacks. nobody looks at him as an offensive Juggernaut. duncan is a 5 that stays in the paint and about 8 ft.. Lamacus was money from mid range and added the 3. AD became money from midrange and added the 3. blake become money from midrange and added the 3.
 
you have to also move the 3 point line back and make it equal on all sides.

I see...

Now what I don't understand is how it's bad for basketball that you have to actually learn how to play basketball in order to survive :lol:. There was once a bunch of slow unathletic white guys that got phased out the game. Now there will be some tall athletic unskilled goobers that get clipped out. Survival of the fittest
 
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