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post #11821 of 93193
I give him credit because he's effective as hell with it, but Harden's game is so unnatural to me. Like, how did he even come up with some of the stuff he does? It would never occur to me when playing to try and lock up my defenders arm with mine to make it look like he's fouling me, when I'm really the one creating the contact. Weird.
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post #11822 of 93193
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Idk how people can watch Lebron play now and say he's regressing. He's still the best all around player in the world and been that way for at least the past 7/8 years.

Lebrons defense has been weak for years now , we have to stop using that as a basis on what still makes him "the best player in the game" he's the most decorated player that is still very very productive and is still top 5 in the game. He is not better than Curry, Westbrook, or Durant in 2015 absolutely not.

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post #11823 of 93193
Curry
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Durant/Westbrook

2 on down is debatable
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post #11826 of 93193
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I give him credit because he's effective as hell with it, but Harden's game is so unnatural to me. Like, how did he even come up with some of the stuff he does? It would never occur to me when playing to try and lock up my defenders arm with mine to make it look like he's fouling me, when I'm really the one creating the contact. Weird.

Harden's foul-drawing tactics were born in OKC. Specifically the driving and locking defenders arm up.

That move is derivative from KD's rip thru move he used to do. Harden adapted it. Instead of ripping thru from a standstill triple threat shooting position, Harden does it while driving. Same technique.
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post #11827 of 93193
Honestly, refs gotta know people's reputations just like we do. That arm lock technique should be an automatic offensive foul by now smh
post #11828 of 93193
Sam Cassell was arm locking 20 years ago. This isn't new
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Sam Cassell was arm locking 20 years ago. This isn't new

post #11830 of 93193
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Sam Cassell was arm locking 20 years ago. This isn't new

Well it should've been an offensive foul 20 yrs ago then
post #11831 of 93193
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Sam Cassell was arm locking 20 years ago. This isn't new

I feel like Harden has taken it to a new level. On same plays the only thing he's thinking about doing is drawing a foul. In the past, guys did those things more incidentally, when they were actually trying to score.
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post #11832 of 93193
Lou williams does the same thing. He'll drive to his left, pull up for a shot and basically hook the defender's arm on the way up. He'll always do it in the perfect position on the left wing with the near sideline ref behind him so he can't really see what's happened, the far sideline ref can't see because the defender's back is to him and it probably looks like a legit foul from the baseline ref's angle. It's super cheese and Hella lame but it's kinda funny when it's the guy on your team getting away with it ohwell.gif
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I feel like Harden has taken it to a new level. On same plays the only thing he's thinking about doing is drawing a foul. In the past, guys did those things more incidentally, when they were actually trying to score.

nah. Dude is a threat to score every time he attempts a basket. He's coming downhill drawing fouls and he's big/strong for a 2. Y'all can be mad about it, but it's not fair to say it's solely to draw a foul. For every "draw foul attempt" there's a ref missing a slapped arm, grabbed arm. Y'all just don't like his unorthodox game
post #11835 of 93193
Stop trying to be different. Lebron is still the best in the league.
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I feel like Harden has taken it to a new level. On same plays the only thing he's thinking about doing is drawing a foul. In the past, guys did those things more incidentally, when they were actually trying to score.

Y'all can be mad about it, but it's not fair to say it's solely to draw a foul.

Uhh yes you can. It's hilariously blatant that he's not attempting to score when he fails to draw the foul. Comically, you can't miss it if you're blind, blatant.

It's to the point where he'd blow an easily make-able basket because of it.
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why am i still unsure about KAT , but sure about porzingod


porzingis is cold also (who knows his ceiling), but KAT is the generational truth. He's going to be a top 5 player in 6-7 years imo.
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Uhh yes you can. It's hilariously blatant that he's not attempting to score when he fails to draw the foul. Comically, you can't miss it if you're blind, blatant.

i been watching every Rockets game twice for like 3 years. He's a threat to score the ball every.single.time. Trying to draw a foul and score are not mutually exclusive concepts

He does plenty of "baiting", but if you aren't reaching or getting caught slipping and trying to evade the foul (which plenty do) he's going to attempt to score on you
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Stop trying to be different. Lebron is still the best in the league.

Why?
post #11840 of 93193
Gotta blame the refs for constantly calling it. Players are going to abuse things they know they can get away with. Doesn't make it right of course but refs have the power to stop it if they wanted.
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Uhh yes you can. It's hilariously blatant that he's not attempting to score when he fails to draw the foul. Comically, you can't miss it if you're blind, blatant.

i been watching every Rockets game twice for like 3 years. He's a threat to score the ball every.single.time. Trying to draw a foul and score are not mutually exclusive concepts

He does plenty of "baiting", but if you aren't reaching or getting caught slipping and trying to evade the foul (which plenty do) he's going to attempt to score on you

Viewer bias.

Yea total threat to score here eyes.gif
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I call it…tactically putting in work, ha smokin.gif
i know it's annoying to watch though laugh.gif

sometimes the players gotta take blame for playing dumb defense. Can't have these trash defenders out there expecting to get calls. There are good high IQ defenders in the league that give Beard fits.
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I'm sure if I look hard enough I can find vids of Harden taking Swan dives with the ball with no one touching him. Not even looking at the basket in those instances.
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Honestly, refs gotta know people's reputations just like we do. That arm lock technique should be an automatic offensive foul by now smh

Are you guys serious?

So Harden gets you off balance and you reach he can't pull the ball through and get a foul call? What? laugh.gif

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Harden's foul-drawing tactics were born in OKC. Specifically the driving and locking defenders arm up.

That move is derivative from KD's rip thru move he used to do. Harden adapted it. Instead of ripping thru from a standstill triple threat shooting position, Harden does it while driving. Same technique.

he did this stuff at ASU, as well, I think it comes more from watching Manu who did this stuff as well.

People have been doing this forever, I rememebr Tracy McGrady doing it in Toronto.
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Uhh yes you can. It's hilariously blatant that he's not attempting to score when he fails to draw the foul. Comically, you can't miss it if you're blind, blatant.

i been watching every Rockets game twice for like 3 years. He's a threat to score the ball every.single.time. Trying to draw a foul and score are not mutually exclusive concepts

He does plenty of "baiting", but if you aren't reaching or getting caught slipping and trying to evade the foul (which plenty do) he's going to attempt to score on you

Viewer bias.


Yea total threat to score here eyes.gif

The viewer bias would be people who use anomalies when being critical of Harden. People who actually watch the games would see how many times he gets bumped and swiped which leads to the whistles he gets. Same thing as the "Harden doesn't play defense" notion, when he very well made a huge leap on the defensive end from '13 to '14. Yet people who watch maybe 3 Rockets games a year will conveniently see the plays where he waits for the opponent to run by and swipes at them, and are all "zzzzzOMG HE HE HE CAN'T P-P-PLAY DEFENSE".
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post #11846 of 93193
The Rockets fan calling me bias. Hahaha.

Look, if you want to say he's good at drawing contact, I'll agree with you. But if you say he's looking to score Everytime he attempts to draw a foul, I'm sorry - that bs. Plain and simple.
post #11847 of 93193
1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Lebron
4. KD
5. AD
6. Harden
7. Blake
8. Boogie
9. Wall
10. Kawai
post #11848 of 93193
If somone pump fakes you and they jump into you, and you shoot to draw the foul should that be banned as well?


should all foul drawing maneuvers be banned?




Don't be mad just because Harden is simply way way better at it than anyone else in recent history, should we eliminate the 3 point line becuase Steph Curry is too good at shooting em?
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post #11849 of 93193
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1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Lebron
4. KD
5. AD
6. Harden
7. Blake
8. Boogie
9. Wall
10. Kawai
Just started positing in the thread and already saying foolishness. Fix up your list and then come back.
post #11850 of 93193
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Lou williams does the same thing. He'll drive to his left, pull up for a shot and basically hook the defender's arm on the way up. He'll always do it in the perfect position on the left wing with the near sideline ref behind him so he can't really see what's happened, the far sideline ref can't see because the defender's back is to him and it probably looks like a legit foul from the baseline ref's angle. It's super cheese and Hella lame but it's kinda funny when it's the guy on your team getting away with it ohwell.gif

Yeah, Lou is definitely good at this stuff. He has very good timing on catching his defender with his arms down and extended, then going right into his shooting motion to draw the foul. I think it was the Denver game when he got fouled outside the 3 point line like 4 times or something.

And, yeah, I guess you tend to overlook it when the player is on your team. I'm still not sure what exactly he does, but Crawford does something to draw all those 4 point plays. I don't complain about it. embarassed.gif
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