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Looking forward to seeing McHale flourish in Minny in the future while Houston struggles laugh.gif

We'll be better than Minn for at least 5-6 more years. If you get McHale, RIP
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disagree in part.

the pairing of lawson and harden isn't working. clearly. but mchale has a ton of flaws. offensively, they run floppy with the GOAL of getting harden an isolation on the wing. the guy setting the screen slowly fades off and doesn't even make himself an option. these are coaching things.

first few games of the season, Marcus Thornton doesn't play at all. Terrence Jones gets hurt, Thornton is starting all of a sudden. rockets are 4-0 with thornton starting and playing small, jones gets healthy and automatically inserted back in the starting lineup.

Beating miami by 20 at half without dwight. playing clint capela and having him at least slow down whiteside, second half capela doesn't play and we lose by 20. mchale is a player development guy, not a head coach.


I don't even know if they'll hear you out, fam. Hopefully they do so they can stop painting the McHale detractors just random scorned fans.
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dwight coach killer
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I'm not discrediting the Warriors great ball movement. They're a great team because of it. The rockets don't move the ball because they're best two players would rather ISO. I'm saying its a players league and that dictates a lot of the offenses.

The difference between Blatt and Mchale?
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disagree in part.

the pairing of lawson and harden isn't working. clearly. but mchale has a ton of flaws. offensively, they run floppy with the GOAL of getting harden an isolation on the wing. the guy setting the screen slowly fades off and doesn't even make himself an option. these are coaching things.

first few games of the season, Marcus Thornton doesn't play at all. Terrence Jones gets hurt, Thornton is starting all of a sudden. rockets are 4-0 with thornton starting and playing small, jones gets healthy and automatically inserted back in the starting lineup.

Beating miami by 20 at half without dwight. playing clint capela and having him at least slow down whiteside, second half capela doesn't play and we lose by 20. mchale is a player development guy, not a head coach.

 

Have watched the Rockets a lot this season and I will concede, the handling of Marcus Thorton has been bad. That Miami game where Capela didn't play the 2nd half was a bad decision. Mind bottling even. Don't understand why He even took Thorton out of the starting lineup in the first place.

 

But what I would argue is that the P&R and Stand around offense, or the fact that the ball really just stops whenever Harden catches it (whether it be a 2/4 or 2/5 P&R, or Floppy) is more of a product of Harden, not McHale. The point i'm getting at is that there isn't a coach in the league who's going to change this. It's who Harden was at ASU, it's who he is in the league. If he's making shots, Rockets win and they look good. He isn't, they aren't, and McHale gets Canned. Is what it is. 

 

At least this is how I see it :lol You watch them more than me and in a bit more detailed so you probably have a better handle on what's going on.

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I'm not discrediting the Warriors great ball movement. They're a great team because of it. The rockets don't move the ball because they're best two players would rather ISO. I'm saying its a players league and that dictates a lot of the offenses.

The difference between Blatt and Mchale?

agreed.... iso players arent going to start or be able to do other things doesnt matter what offense it is. thats just player dna.  you try to run the warriors offense with a team like hous or pick any other team and  its just not going to work. ty lawson should never be on the court the same time harden is. 

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remember when people thought okc was going to be the best team in the league because brooks was gone? 

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post #17048 of 93193
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Exactly. 100%. QFT.



In the NBA, the best offenses, (Spurs / Warriors / Clips, Hawks,) are not the product of coaches and their playcalling.

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remember when people thought okc was going to be the best team in the league because brooks was gone? 


KD coming off a career changing injury. Nice try
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remember when people thought okc was going to be the best team in the league because brooks was gone? 

people see stars and talent and forget about the team aspect and how parts fit. okc was never winning anything. those same people always bring up if harden stayed in okc dynasty talk.  thats just nonsense. to many chiefs not enough indians. 

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What more was mchale supposed to do with the make up of that team?

A lot of guys are screaming for creativity from these coaches when that's not what it takes when you have top tier players. The Brad Stevens' of the world have to be creative. Maybe I'm missing something but what do the Warriors do offensively that's so transcendent or is it the parts that make the system so effective

The Warriors can run offensive sets when needed, even though a lot of their offense is generated off the break and teams hedging off of Curry so hard that it constantly breaks down the opposing defense. When it all comes down to it, the Warriors can move the ball extremely well and generate an offense without having to play street ball similar to the Spurs.

I don't get that vibe from teams like the Rockets and Thunder. Those two teams strictly try to run it down the opposing teams throat, isolating their best players more than 50% of the time and jacking up shots early. I've watched a few more OKC games than HOU games, but when I'm watching OKC that's exactly what I see. Fortunately, for these squads, these star players are so talented that it still can help them win enough games. But, that doesn't seem to be the case so far in the season.

when the warriors run those PnRs and curry does get hedged, he makes the first pass, and there's little no hesitation from there on. all 5 know where the ball is being moved. rockets run pick and roll, harden gets hedged, makes the pass, and no one knows what to do. there's no set plan. it's just hope for a defensive breakdown.

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disagree in part.


the pairing of lawson and harden isn't working. clearly. but mchale has a ton of flaws. offensively, they run floppy with the GOAL of getting harden an isolation on the wing. the guy setting the screen slowly fades off and doesn't even make himself an option. these are coaching things.


first few games of the season, Marcus Thornton doesn't play at all. Terrence Jones gets hurt, Thornton is starting all of a sudden. rockets are 4-0 with thornton starting and playing small, jones gets healthy and automatically inserted back in the starting lineup.


Beating miami by 20 at half without dwight. playing clint capela and having him at least slow down whiteside, second half capela doesn't play and we lose by 20. mchale is a player development guy, not a head coach.

Have watched the Rockets a lot this season and I will concede, the handling of Marcus Thorton has been bad. That Miami game where Capela didn't play the 2nd half was a bad decision. Mind bottling even. Don't understand why He even took Thorton out of the starting lineup in the first place.

But what I would argue is that the P&R and Stand around offense, or the fact that the ball really just stops whenever Harden catches it (whether it be a 2/4 or 2/5 P&R, or Floppy) is more of a product of Harden, not McHale. The point i'm getting at is that there isn't a coach in the league who's going to change this. It's who Harden was at ASU, it's who he is in the league. If he's making shots, Rockets win and they look good. He isn't, they aren't, and McHale gets Canned. Is what it is. 

At least this is how I see it laugh.gif  You watch them more than me and in a bit more detailed so you probably have a better handle on what's going on.

like i said, the PnR isn't the problem. it maximizes harden. it's the lack of knowing what to do after. the rockets rely on getting an open 3 out of PnR, and if they don't, they reset and run PnR again and hope for the same. there's little to no hockey assists. they make it tough on themselves.
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Have watched the Rockets a lot this season




edit. Just saw that you only said this season. Not exactly the best excuse. But This might help explain yall's ignorance to the situation at hand. Dig up the tapes from the last 3 seasons, fellas
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people see stars and talent and forget about the team aspect and how parts fit. okc was never winning anything. those same people always bring up if harden stayed in okc dynasty talk.  thats just nonsense. to many chiefs not enough indians. 

Yall guys are legit just saying things laugh.gif
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Yall guys are legit just saying things laugh.gif

let me know when okc wins something with that team constructed as is. till they do just be quiet. you one of those dudes that think  harden  westbrook and kd instant chip..... :rollin

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King James (Harden) is a very willing passer. He will find guys in a more advanced offense no doubt.
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let me know when okc wins something with that team constructed as is. till they do just be quiet. you one of those dudes that think  harden  westbrook and kd instant chip..... roll.gif

Yall are afforded the reach because KD had a career changing injury. OKC's problem has always been not utilizing their depth and not truly understanding roles throughout the team. and going iso iso iso. very obvious coaching issues.

Is KD a player that solely wants to isolate too? Is his DNA why they were never going to go anywhere?


Yall cats just saying **** for real.

Harden/Westbrook/KD would have absolutely been contenders for a ship if they hada coach that drives consistency in them utilizing their individual strengths on a nightly basis. Rather than watch them battle themselves over who's gonna iso.

Can't believe half the stuff im reading man
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King James (Harden) is a very willing passer. He will find guys in a more advanced offense no doubt.
Yall are afforded the reach because KD had a career changing injury. OKC's problem has always been not utilizing their depth and not truly understanding roles throughout the team. and going iso iso iso. very obvious coaching issues.

Is KD a player that solely wants to isolate too? Is his DNA why they were never going to go anywhere?


Yall cats just saying **** for real.

Harden/Westbrook/KD would have absolutely been contenders for a ship if they hada coach that drives consistency in them utilizing their individual strengths on a nightly basis. Rather than watch them battle themselves over who's gonna iso.

Can't believe half the stuff im reading man

nah... like i said you one of those guys....no use arguing with dudes who think like that. same dudes proclaiming okc would be champs this year. healthy kd or not okc wasnt  winning ish this year period. 

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nah... like i said you one of those guys....

*throws tomatoes. I can break it down even more, but you're so far off you won't get in here that granular with me. Plus my guy do work has already given some good insight. Just watch more games instead of these pie in the sky generalities.
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remember when people thought okc was going to be the best team in the league because brooks was gone? 

People thought N.O. and Top 3 were gonna make the jump with Gentry.

Curry has made Jackson, Kerr, Luke, and Gentry look like the smartest guys in the room laugh.gif
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I don't think anyone is saying McHale is a coaching mastermind but he's had the most progress with the squad in a long time and the players seemed to enjoy playing for him.

Now I can understand the counterpoint of his lack of adjustments being crippling so it sounds like a Mark Jackson situation. Players coach and they all love him but he can't actually coach them through situations but in this case the problem extends past McHale. Some of these guys just haven't shown up yet.

You could have inserted almost any decent coach into the equation and gotten similar results. I credit McHale for getting Dwight to take a backseat to JH at the onset. That's where it stops. The credit should go to Morey for making moves. Lol at multi year NBA players "not showing up" 11 games into the season. What? Harden already had a 40+ and 35+ point game. Against the 2 best teams we've played all year. Dwight 20/20. Ty has had double digit assists. Capela has improved astronomically. Harrell a diamond in the rough.

and you're saying the same guys that fought hard with that comeback in the WCSF are "just not showing up".


His rotations have been suspect, his Xs and Os even more suspect. Those are THE most crippling things to this franchise. And all of these things are symptoms of coaching issues. Like I say, you really gotta watch the Rockets nightly to not be fooled by the success we've had. We're lucky we've rode this wave for so long in this very competitive West
So your telling me those 3 early blowouts and the most recent Ls is McHale and McHale alone? I find that hard to believe. Harden, while arguably being my favorite player in the league has been on and off on both ends of the floor. Lawson is still adjusting to a new squad, Dwight has been in and out of the line-up with injuries...there's been inconsistency with your squad and I just don't believe its just a "McHale is bad" issue but you watch them more than me so I can't prove you wrong completely.
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which team is going to be the first team to actually have some intelligent people brainstorming and decide its best to finally have a d'antoni running your offense and a thibs to run your defense ? i seriously dont understand how this hasnt been thought of yet :lol

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Okc was fine before kd got hurt. Nola missing their whole team. Yall reaching laugh.gif
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which team is going to be the first team to actually have some intelligent people brainstorming and decide its best to finally have a d'antoni running your offense and a thibs to run your defense ? i seriously dont understand how this hasnt been thought of yet laugh.gif

ill hate whoever does it because if Chicago woulda pulled their heads out their ***** this would've been perfect
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Damn Dwert got another coach canned? For shame.

Hope they don't steal Thibs from us.
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Coach Mchale seems like a great person wish nothing but the best for him Houston's bad start has more to do with effort than any other thing hopefully a new voice will bring positive changes
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nah... like i said you one of those guys....no use arguing with dudes who think like that. same dudes proclaiming okc would be champs this year. healthy kd or not okc wasnt  winning ish this year period. 


OKC wouldn't win a ring with a coach like Pop?

I think that's exactly what's being said here and I think it's exactly what make yall sound silly
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Okc was fine before kd got hurt. Nola missing their whole team. Yall reaching laugh.gif

laugh.gif at OKC being fine with a 4-3 record. Not to mention a 3 game losing streak after starting 3-0. They were far from "fine". Their defense was non-existent (giving up 100+ points in 4 of those 7 games) and they still were experiencing the same offensive problems they had back when Scott Brooks was coaching.

Talent and health can get you so far in the NBA. But, chances are when you get deep into the playoffs, coaching will make the biggest difference between you and your opponent. You may see average coaches get lucky enough to get to the conference finals or maybe even the finals, but you won't see them winning a championship. The most recent coach I can think of was Doc Rivers and that possibly may be because of how deep his team was with veteran leadership and stardom. I guess you could say Spo, but I think Spo is a pretty damn good coach.

This is why its funny when people say teams like OKC are going to win it all. Nothing against their team because they have a great collection of talent and two superstars. But, I don't trust their coaching nor do I trust their point guard / offense as great as Westbrook is.
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Whelp since we can already dismiss OKC and Houston based off 11 games I'd like to proclaim the Dallas Mavericks as the 3rd best team in the West.
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