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post #22411 of 93193
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Originally Posted by lakersman3000 View Post

roll.gif ibaka to the spurs doesnt make sense. 
Trade away David West, and 2 expiring contracts, and maybe a draft pick, why not. Ibaka is younger, he can easily adapt to pop system. How does this not make sense. Explain.

Why would OKC want this?
post #22412 of 93193

Any chance Curry will be in the discussion for Most Improved Player? Averaging 9 more ppg over last year and who's going to argue he hasn't made great improvements over last season's run? Either way I think it's a crazy situation, being if I were to just tell you the previous season's MVP would be the very next season's Most Improved Player. Just knowing that situation and not knowing the player involved, it's just wild to think about. ​

post #22413 of 93193
Ibaka for Robin Lopez and Derek Fisher

Do it Mitch!
post #22414 of 93193
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Not really necessary for your big man to be your first option in today's nba. Today's offense is perimeter oriented as hell. Better for your big guy to be a 3 and D guy with playmaking ability that can guard as many positions as possible.

Part of the difficulty in comparing players is accounting for context. What you're saying is true, if you already have a steph curry, iguodala, a harrison barnes, or even a bogut. In a different scenario where those great perimeter players aren't present, then its a different story. He needs good players to be good and there's nothing wrong with that

It's not just the Warriors. Draymond will do well on any team that has a good playmaker, double bonus if the playmaker can score. He's a pick and roll nightmare. Your boy CP would love Draymond more than he loves Blake, just on the basis that he's a 3 threat.

The only argument for Blake over Draymond is that he can create his own shot. But like I said, shouldn't be priority for a big man to do that on a good team. Better that he can stretch the floor, make plays and defend multiple positions. Its just hard to consistently run your offense through your big guys in today's game.
Edited by amel223 - 11/28/15 at 12:49pm
post #22415 of 93193
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Draymond is the Warriors 2nd option

And if he went to LAC he would have to be the #1 option. If folks think the Clips look lackluster now...

 

On the flipside I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors wouldn't do a straight up Green for Blake trade. They don't necessarily need Blake's skill set over Dray's

 

If you were starting a team from scratch and both of them were available, I'm taking Blake hands down. Dray isn't such a bad consolation though

post #22416 of 93193
Blake is a mental midget
post #22417 of 93193
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Why would OKC want this?
Cap room, maybe to offer KD more money or at least bring in some help for KD and Russ, not to mention 80% of the players the Spurs draft are underrated as long as you put them in the right system. You get David West who is a strong veteran leader. Why not.
post #22418 of 93193
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Cap room, maybe to offer KD more money or at least bring in some help for KD and Russ, not to mention 80% of the players the Spurs draft are underrated as long as you put them in the right system. You get David West who is a strong veteran leader. Why not.

That wouldn't even work in NBA 2K bro

post #22419 of 93193
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You get David West who is a strong veteran leader. Why not.

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post #22420 of 93193
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Cap room, maybe to offer KD more money or at least bring in some help for KD and Russ, not to mention 80% of the players the Spurs draft are underrated as long as you put them in the right system. You get David West who is a strong veteran leader. Why not.

We've seen what happens to OKC when Ibaka is out. And you want to replace him with DAVID WEST? They'd be in the running for the worst defensive team in the league lol. Veteran leadership (in the form of David West) ain't winning you a title. Plus, they have veteran leadership, especially in Durant and Collison.

But sure, trade away Durant's second longest-tenured teammate, and a vital part of their team. See how that goes when it's time for free agency.
post #22421 of 93193
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It's not just the Warriors. Draymond will do well on any team that has a good playmaker, double bonus if the playmaker can score. He's a pick and roll nightmare. Your boy CP would love Draymond more than he loves Blake, just on the basis that he's a 3 threat.

The only argument for Blake over Draymond is that he can create his own shot. But like I said, shouldn't be priority for a big man to do that on a good team. Better that he can stretch the floor, make plays and defend multiple positions. Its just hard to consistently run your offense through your big guys in today's game.

 

 

This isn't entirely true in a sense that the offense has ran through blake the last two years and they've been doing just fine with that, to the tune of 56 and 57 wins. For some teams yes, it is hard to consistently run your offense through your bigs but that's a biproduct of not having the personnel to do so. Also, Draymond would only do well on teams that already have great players. That is, you can't build a team around Draymond because he just isn't good enough offensively.

 

And I don't know if the CP thing is true. Like I said earlier, have of Blake's 25 ppg this year is flat out individual offense. The amount of pressure on CP to manufacture offense if there was a Dray / Blake swap would not be a welcome development for CP, who's on the wrong side of 30. You want a horse to run an offense through if you're CP at this stage. Yeah Dray can extend to the 3 point line, but he really can't create offense for himself and the offense he creates for others again is largely due to steph curry's gravity. Not to mention blake is one of the best midrange shooters in the league in his own right. So he would welcome a blake / draymond swap just for an extra 3 per night? Nah lol


You make Dray a #1 and put him on the Clips and he won't be that good of a playmaker since he'll be asked to score more. He won't be as good of a defender because he'll be asked to do more. Same with his 3 point shooting, all would see a significant drop.

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Where is this Thunder Ibaka nonsense coming from?

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post #22423 of 93193
Remember when people wanted Westbrook traded from okc for rondo
post #22424 of 93193
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Where is this Thunder Ibaka nonsense coming from?

Nowhere. dude made it up. We're just pointing out how stupid it would be anyway.
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Anthony Davis listed as probable for tonight

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post #22426 of 93193
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Ibaka for Robin Lopez and Derek Fisher

Do it Mitch!

Ibaka, Russ, & a 2017 1st rounder for KP

OKC might have to throw in Durant to make it fair

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post #22427 of 93193
Hope KD leaves that trash state







Go home KD
post #22428 of 93193
Lol but your offense doesn't run through Blake. It runs through CP
post #22429 of 93193
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Lol but your offense doesn't run through Blake. It runs through CP

You're the homie amel, so that's why I won't respond to this post

post #22430 of 93193
w's should make a call...pick, harrison barnes and bogut for KD. w's giving up a lot, but think it's worth it
post #22431 of 93193
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w's should make a call...pick, harrison barnes and bogut for KD. w's giving up a lot, but think it's worth it

Lol at giving up a lot when you'd be getting back KD

 

Only reason why I might not is because KD is frail AF

post #22432 of 93193
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Lol but your offense doesn't run through Blake. It runs through CP

 

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post #22433 of 93193
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Any chance Curry will be in the discussion for Most Improved Player? Averaging 9 more ppg over last year and who's going to argue he hasn't made great improvements over last season's run? Either way I think it's a crazy situation, being if I were to just tell you the previous season's MVP would be the very next season's Most Improved Player. Just knowing that situation and not knowing the player involved, it's just wild to think about. ​

You Dubs fans are getting soo damn greedy roll.gif
post #22434 of 93193
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Hope KD leaves that trash state







Go home KD

 

When KD resigns for one year on July 1st, 2016 it's going to make this Free Agent Offseason extremely anticlimatic. 

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post #22435 of 93193
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Not really necessary for your big man to be your first option in today's nba. Today's offense is perimeter oriented as hell. Better for your big guy to be a 3 and D guy with playmaking ability that can guard as many positions as possible.

It has never been necessary for your
Big Man to be your first option.

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post #22436 of 93193

Man Blake Griffin has the highest usage rate on the Clippers this season and it's not even Close. He also accounts for over 35% of all field goals made on LAC this season and again, it's not even close. Blake also accounts for 33% of the team's total points, again that's the highest number on the team and it isn't even close. That includes CP. I don't know where you got that the offense runs through CP. The idea that the offense runs through CP is such a lazy notion and stance.

 

Again, for comparison sake, Draymond's Usage percentage is at a staggering 15%. So if that number were to go from 15 to 31%, that team would win 57 games?


Edited by shoeking2102 - 11/28/15 at 1:34pm

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post #22437 of 93193
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Lol but your offense doesn't run through Blake. It runs through CP

if cp is a first option on your squad , that squad is in trouble... 

post #22438 of 93193
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if cp is a first option on your squad , that squad is in trouble... 

 

I don't know about "trouble" but you probably wouldn't win a championship with it. But then again, KD is a #1 option and hasn't won one either. But it's a moot point because CP isn't the first option on the Clippers :lol

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post #22439 of 93193
if your team consists of cp and blake you aint winning anything PERIOD
they shouldve blown that team up. still dont know why they gave deandre all that money. we know he isnt gonna be effective against a team with a decent big. they want to say his FTs wont effect them or his min in the 4th, but you cant trust him on the floor in crunch time
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blake is a first option that can take you to the playoffs,  but can you win a chip with him as your first option..he hasnt and its  highly unlikely that he can but hey i once thought dirk couldnt win a chip as a first option..... 

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