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post #23521 of 93193

I'm not going reading through this whole thing.. but for me:

 

Duncan > kobe

 

 

also as far as lakers go:

 

magic, maybe kareem > kobe

post #23522 of 93193
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Originally Posted by bhzmafia14 View Post

Dirk's response > KD's *****y response laugh.gif
100% the truth

Everyone paying respects and somehow kd found a way to come off as extra soft as usual

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post #23523 of 93193
Always felt this way
post #23524 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Hot Route View Post

It‘s obviously Kobe was popular and marketable. That‘s a given. They call it charisma. It‘s an intangible force that can often over shadow things. As someone has said, the Kobe fans and Laker fans can some times cross over.

Its obvious and with out a doubt that Kobe has cemented himself like no other, but the thing most people forget is that he had guys around him. He had Phil, Shaq, Pau, Artest, Lamar, Fisher, Horry, etc.

What bugs people is when Kobe fans disregard this, trying to claim his heorics and stats were just his own doing!! It is not his own doing. The Kobe pics with 5 trophies is propaganda for people who don‘t know basketball.

To this day, it is with out a doubt that Kobe was Robin for the first 3 rings.

Validation by peers and predecessors is another thing in itself. TD, Nowitzki, and MJ validation would hold MORE substance than WB, KD, and LBJ.

but he won the last 2 basically solo

GOAT
post #23525 of 93193

Reggie Jackson

Still think Blackson is over paid?

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

post #23526 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh View Post

I've said this before but there isn't a single year where Kobe was the undisputed bes tplayer in the NBA, it was always an argument.

So pretend like it wasn't just because his retiring is pretty silly.

This. To say that there was a year or multiple years in which Kobe was the undisputed "best player in the NBA" is revisionist history.
" . . . what a long, strange trip its been . . . " The Grateful Dead, "Truckin'" (and a good summary of my life as an LA Clippers fan)
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post #23527 of 93193
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Originally Posted by a-friend View Post

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Still think Blackson is over paid?

Ask John Wall.

*looks at 2015-16 stats*


post #23528 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly View Post

You really cant cry about Kobe getting criticized when these same dudes are in here slandering other all time greats like Lebron non stop.

 

one has nothing to do with the other

post #23529 of 93193
Kobe had a case for best player in the world from like 2006-2009 but it was never close to being undisputed like Jordan and Lebron were.
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post #23530 of 93193
kobes Statline last night >>>> Paul George's hair

What the hell is he thinking?

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post #23531 of 93193
The only year were you could probably say that is 2005 and it might be a stretch
post #23532 of 93193
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Reggie Jackson

Still think Blackson is over paid?

 

"darknessssssssss"

post #23533 of 93193
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Originally Posted by sea manup View Post

100% the truth

Everyone paying respects and somehow kd found a way to come off as extra soft as usual

da mommy proof read it first before he released it. can KD even type?
post #23534 of 93193
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Originally Posted by a-friend View Post

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Still think Blackson is over paid?

he looks like the dad of that popular kid crying avy/pic.
post #23535 of 93193
If we can get Earl to PS Jahlil with the fake glasses and mustache that would be gold. Ol Will Smith "Not it's not!" ***.
post #23536 of 93193
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Originally Posted by DON RAMON View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Friendly View Post

You really cant cry about Kobe getting criticized when these same dudes are in here slandering other all time greats like Lebron non stop.

one has nothing to do with the other

Yeah it does especially when it's pretty much the same dudes laugh.gif
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post #23537 of 93193
Ska...can you move this **** to a central
Kobe thread or something. This **** is annoying.

As for other news...I wonder who Jahlil Okafor pissed off to come under this media witch hunt. One incident has set off a domino effect of past incident. He gets into a club fight, and all of a sudden we start hearing about **** that he did 3-4 weeks ago.

If the Boston incident never happened, would the gun, speeding, and fake id stories have even come out? I doubt it.
post #23538 of 93193
Also, as far as comparing Kobe to Duncan, you factor in that big man bias operates in the "best player" discussion. When people try to decide who the best basketball player is, they tend to think in terms of all around basketball skills, so big men get excluded because they don't dribble the ball or shoot from range much. That's why Shaq had to come up with the label "most dominant" for himself instead of "best player." So, it shouldn't be held against Duncan that people haven't labeled him the best player in the game because, generally speaking, most people, including other players, just don't think of bigs in that way.
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post #23539 of 93193
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Originally Posted by WavyCrocket View Post

So Peers considering you the best player on the planet >>>>


players/peers opinion holds the most weight.


If I wanted to know how good of a brother you were I would ask your siblings, not your friends or co-workers.
post #23540 of 93193
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Originally Posted by PMatic View Post

If we can get Earl to PS Jahlil with the fake glasses and mustache that would be gold. Ol Will Smith "Not it's not!" ***.

In my mind, for some reason I've convinced myself that the name on Okafor's fake ID is "Irving Epstein" or something like that.
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post #23541 of 93193

How long until we start hearing about **** Jah did in college? 8o

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post #23542 of 93193
Damn pretty we just talking about one of the gawds. Shoot Brandon Roy was getting love when he retired
post #23543 of 93193
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Originally Posted by lawdog1 View Post

Also, as far as comparing Kobe to Duncan, you factor in that big man bias operates in the "best player" discussion. When people try to decide who the best basketball player is, they tend to think in terms of all around basketball skills, so big men get excluded because they don't dribble the ball or shoot from range much. That's why Shaq had to come up with the label "most dominant" for himself instead of "best player." So, it shouldn't be held against Duncan that people haven't labeled him the best player in the game because, generally speaking, most people, including other players, just don't think of bigs in that way.

 

shaq got labeled that way cause dude was lazy.. however, when he was on he was on.. aint no was stopping someone that big and that athletic

 

it's shaq's own fault that he isn't higher on the all-time list.. and both kobe and Duncan are ahead of him

post #23544 of 93193
Perimeter players will always have the light man. Unless you have the personality of Shaq...and even he's starting to get under-appreciated for his dominance.

It just shows me some can't separate facts from feelings. Allen Iverson is my favorite basketball player ever. If you woulda asked me in the early 00's when I was a young teen who were the top 3 players in the NBA, I woulda told you AI, Shaq and Tmac/Kobe....before I got to Timmy.

As I've gotten older, I've learned to appreciate a player like Duncan.
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post #23545 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Based Jesus View Post

How long until we start hearing about **** Jah did in college? nerd.gif

It's inevitable. Somebody will bring up how they saw him getting twerked on in a student center party or something. Or a pic of him hanging with some Chiraq savages laugh.gif.

I'm sure as hell the media will slip in how he had a kid at 18 too.
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post #23546 of 93193
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Originally Posted by WavyCrocket View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Based Jesus View Post

How long until we start hearing about **** Jah did in college? nerd.gif

It's inevitable. Somebody will bring up how they saw him getting twerked on in a student center party or something. Or a pic of him hanging with some Chiraq savages laugh.gif.

I'm sure as hell the media will slip in how he had a kid at 18 too.

roll.gif

in the dj akademiks voice roll.gif
post #23547 of 93193
You have to look at more than the player too. Think about the system, the era, the coaching, etc.
post #23548 of 93193
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Originally Posted by WavyCrocket View Post

So Peers considering you the best player on the planet >>>> actual being the best player on the planet. Got you.

Steph Curry's peers just said James Harden was the MVP a few months ago.


its yall debate, but peers considering you the best > anything, really. the entire league gonna be wrong?

and James Harden had an extremely legitimate argument for being MVP last year. Can't use Curry's current production/status to drive that argument
post #23549 of 93193
On the peer/outsiders topic...if you were in that particular peer group, which would YOU personally give more credence to?
post #23550 of 93193
There are people spending hours per day watching tape, studying their opponents then put their bodies on the line trying to Match up with them for 30 minutes a night yet kids on the Internet think their opinion is more important because of a bunch of numbers on paper

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