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There are people spending hours per day watching tape, studying their opponents then put their bodies on the line trying to Match up with them for 30 minutes a night yet kids on the Internet think their opinion is more important because of a bunch of numbers on paper

Yup thats why players make the best GM's.

Thats why Michael Jordan is the best evaluator of talent in the NBA.smokin.gif
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post #23552 of 93193
So, if you're a NT poster and your NT peers consider your posts to be trash, but your mom doesn't then what? Are you going to believe us or your mom?

See how silly this is getting?
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what

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Why they playing with my young boul like this mean.giflaugh.gif
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post #23555 of 93193
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There are people spending hours per day watching tape, studying their opponents then put their bodies on the line trying to Match up with them for 30 minutes a night yet kids on the Internet think their opinion is more important because of a bunch of numbers on paper

Yup thats why players make the best GM's.

Thats why Michael Jordan is the best evaluator of talent in the NBA.smokin.gif
The complex dynamic of putting together a professional sports roster is very different than knowing who is a better basketball player.

If a NBA player thinks player 1 is better than player 2 because of the numerous times he has matched up with both players and has personal experience on which player is tougher to guard, how is someone who has never stepped foot on an NBA court before tell him that he's wrong?

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post #23556 of 93193
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Why they playing with my young boul like this mean.giflaugh.gif

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post #23557 of 93193
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Originally Posted by sea manup View Post

The complex dynamic of putting together a professional sports roster is very different than knowing who is a better basketball player.

If a NBA player thinks player 1 is better than player 2 because of the numerous times he has matched up with both players and has personal experience on which player is tougher to guard, how is someone who has never stepped foot on an NBA court before tell him that he's wrong?

Yup and thats why Magic Johnson is the best basketball analyst. smokin.gif
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post #23558 of 93193
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shaq got labeled that way cause dude was lazy.. however, when he was on he was on.. aint no was stopping someone that big and that athletic

it's shaq's own fault that he isn't higher on the all-time list.. and both kobe and Duncan are ahead of him

Completely agree. But my point is, even during the year he was clearly the best player in the game, Shaq didn't get described that way because that label just doesn't get given to big men. At least, that's been my observation.
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post #23559 of 93193
Peer evaluations are extremely important but it's hard to know exactly what other players thought of Lebron, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Nash, KG etc etc without player awards.

And even then there would still be politics involved, y'all would've went crazy if Chris Paul got voted NBA MVP over a Kobe or Lebron. laugh.gif
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post #23560 of 93193
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Why they playing with my young boul like this mean.giflaugh.gif
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post #23561 of 93193
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Originally Posted by sea manup View Post

The complex dynamic of putting together a professional sports roster is very different than knowing who is a better basketball player.

If a NBA player thinks player 1 is better than player 2 because of the numerous times he has matched up with both players and has personal experience on which player is tougher to guard, how is someone who has never stepped foot on an NBA court before tell him that he's wrong?

Kobe, Shaq and LeBron think Allen Iverson is one of the greatest players of all time.

You think AI is one of the most overrated though 👀👀
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post #23562 of 93193
Jordan wildin with his management and decision making, aka Kwame and what not.

Peeps will think his assesment about Kobe and LBJ to be the word of life.
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Ah, the old "You don't support my argument and you've never stepped foot on [insert sport/playing field here] and their are some players who support my narrative/opinion, so your opinion is wrong" routine.
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It's funny because when players talk about b Roy was the hardest player to guard people saw the information as an interesting insight.

Same things said about a player they hate and all the nonsense excuses come out on how player opinions are not important.

Same dudes who would be posting I told you so if a player says Duncan is better than Kobe

Most people can't handle new information objectively, always gotta get emotional

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The complex dynamic of putting together a professional sports roster is very different than knowing who is a better basketball player.

If a NBA player thinks player 1 is better than player 2 because of the numerous times he has matched up with both players and has personal experience on which player is tougher to guard, how is someone who has never stepped foot on an NBA court before tell him that he's wrong?

Kobe, Shaq and LeBron think Allen Iverson is one of the greatest players of all time.

You think AI is one of the most overrated though 👀👀
And their opinion is way more relevant and valid than mine. I'm just a guy typing at a computer

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emotions is what makes us human :)

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post #23567 of 93193
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So, if you're a NT poster and your NT peers consider your posts to be trash, but your mom doesn't then what? Are you going to believe us or your mom?

See how silly this is getting?

The only thing silly was that analogy considering nobody's mom knows **** about NT.

Nobody said NT's opinion don't matter at all. The point was...there is something to be said for a professional athlete who's held in high regard by other professional athletes. The same dudes we sit in here and talk about all day idolize this guy and aren't thinking about analytics, silly top 5 lists, and **** like that.

There are people who sincerely believe that Floyd Mayweather doesn't belong anywhere among boxings greatest, but everyone who laces those gloves up know better, even if they don't like him. There's no right or wrong here, but if you were Floyd Mayweather...what means more to you?
Edited by pretty tony - 11/30/15 at 1:21pm
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The ability to play a sport will =/= the ability to understand and explicate the mechanics behind the sport.

It's the same reason why the best players don't make the best coaches, the same reason that Hakeem isn't the best player development coach.




I'll give you an example, ask Steph Curry or other great shooters what makes a great 3 point shooters, they will say go "straight up straight down," feet square to the basket"


Must be good advice coming from Steph Curry right?


Wrong.


Steph doesn't square/sholders his feet to the basket, and he doesn't go straight up straight, basically ZERO great shooters do. THeir body is usually at a 45 degree angle, and they DON'T go straight up adn down they actually jump sweep ther feet forward, sway there shoulders back and turn as they shoot.




Steph Curry the greatest shooter in the world doesn't even know how his OWN jumpshot works, but somehow I'm supposed to assume his opinion is superior to my own? Nah.

I'm not saying there experience is worthless but it isn't an automatic trump card.
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But Curry has merit and accolades and xyz to warrant it. He would hold more water though. No ones going to ask DeAndre to coach Randles FT shooting.

Through out the years and even now, many commentators have commentated through observation. Numerous commentary about Shaqs FT shooting, etc etc have come across..
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And Duncan gets plenty of respect amongst his peers. Y'all hear Shaq and Chuck talk about him? They gush about him. I don't know what we're really arguing here. Freeze and some others thinks Duncan has never reached the heights Kobe has b/c he wasn't as popular or considered the best player during his time by his peers. In my opinion, Duncan was/is. He's just not as popular.

At the end of the day, both are legends. 2 of the best players post Jordan.

Still, Duncan > Kobe
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The ability to play a sport will =/= the ability to understand and explicate the mechanics behind the sport.

It's the same reason why the best players don't make the best coaches, the same reason that Hakeem isn't the best player development coach.




I'll give you an example, ask Steph Curry or other great shooters what makes a great 3 point shooters, they will say go "straight up straight down," feet square to the basket"


Must be good advice coming from Steph Curry right?


Wrong.


Steph doesn't square/sholders his feet to the basket, and he doesn't go straight up straight, basically ZERO great shooters do. THeir body is usually at a 45 degree angle, and they DON'T go straight up adn down they actually jump sweep ther feet forward, sway there shoulders back and turn as they shoot.




Steph Curry the greatest shooter in the world doesn't even know how his OWN jumpshot works, but somehow I'm supposed to assume his opinion is superior to my own? Nah.

You're reaching with your one off comparisons.

It's really not that serious. Bottom line: Kobe Bryant is held in high regard universally, professional athletes included. When discussing someone's impact and legacy, that **** goes way deeper than analytics and all that other nerd **** that's hot these days.

You have NBA superstar coming out and saying "this man is a legend, we grew up on him and he meant a lot to the game". There's something to be said for that. It's really that simple. You in here talking about 45 degree angles and ****.
Edited by pretty tony - 11/30/15 at 1:27pm
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Y'all will find anything to degenerate Kobe...Just like some will with Bron. Very rarely are arguments consistent. Is it REALLY that hard to say these dudes were a couple of the greatest ever? Y'all hate runs that deep?
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Y'all will find anything to degenerate Kobe...Just like some will with Bron. Very rarely are arguments consistent. Is it REALLY that hard to say these dudes were a couple of the greatest ever? Y'all hate runs that deep?

Fair point, but I think the word you were looking for was "denigrate," not "degenerate."

Ironically, Kobe has, by his own admission, degenerated

(degenerate - having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline).
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Y'all will find anything to degenerate Kobe...Just like some will with Bron. Very rarely are arguments consistent. Is it REALLY that hard to say these dudes were a couple of the greatest ever? Y'all hate runs that deep?

Basically.
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Love how discussions get so far from their basic origins
that they eventually just come around full circle.

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In regards to Stephs description of his shot, I think you have to realize the difference between sport speak/ coach speak and what Curry or any great shooter or coach would teach you. When they are talking about getting square, they are talking about their hips and shoulders.
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And Duncan gets plenty of respect amongst his peers. Y'all hear Shaq and Chuck talk about him? They gush about him. I don't know what we're really arguing here. Freeze and some others thinks Duncan has never reached the heights Kobe has b/c he wasn't as popular or considered the best player during his time by his peers. In my opinion, Duncan was/is. He's just not as popular.

At the end of the day, both are legends. 2 of the best players post Jordan.

Still, Duncan > Kobe

i aint mad at this . dont feel the same but it could go either way. kobe and td are the two best players since mj left ...  

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You're reaching with your one off comparisons.

It's really not that serious. Bottom line: Kobe Bryant is held in high regard universally, professional athletes included. When discussing someone's impact and legacy, that **** goes way deeper than analytics and all that other nerd **** that's hot these days.

You have NBA superstar coming out and saying "this man is a legend, we grew up on him and he meant a lot to the game". There's something to be said for that. It's really that simple. You in here talking about 45 degree angles and ****.
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My man. You said what I was about to say. All his peers are showing him love calling him a legend, best player of this generation, legend, greatest laker of all time.

And these dudes are talking about analytics. And just pull up all his bad stats. I can DO that for any player that played the game, Did you watch his career or just skim through it and watch post achilles. I question a lot of people's basketball knowledge.

I'm not even a huge lebron fan butI respect him and he said it the other day. People need to sit down and respect greatness.

Kobe was great. One of the greatest ever. If you can't see that you weren't watching and I feel sorry for those that can't let the hate out of there heart for a minute to appreciate what he accomplished and meant to the game of basketball.
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If I was a player, I would probably care more about how my peers thought of me than the Media.

 

I've heard players such as AI and Kobe both say that that's the pinnacle.

 

However, In my pesonal opinion in terms of assessing basketball players who've played or are playing are just too close to the game, and too emotionally invested in the game to give an objective analysis of the NBA. 

 

That isn't to say that the Media or analyst can't be wrong, or that people who haven't played are always right, but the idea that a Player's opinion trumps everyone else's should not be the case in my opinion.

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