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post #35821 of 93193
Mudaiy rocking the 6.7 PER. sick.gif


I like Mudaiy but..



I keep rolling this around in my head, but is it getting to the point that basically...if you can't shoot; you can't play. ESPECIALLY at PG?


Absolute freak athletes can get away with it like John Wall but then again John Wall has never been the PG for an above average offense. Derrick Rose lost like 5% of that step and the poof he's horrible.


I just don't think you can get away with it anymore. Guys can be effective as with poor jumpers but IMO it puts a hard cap on your ceiling. Thats why I favoured Dlo over Mudaiy in the draft, and why I have a jauidiced eye when I look at Ben Simmons.
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post #35822 of 93193

I look at guys like Rondo and E. Payton who can get into the paint and not really have any sort of jump shot, be contributors. Of course without a perimeter game it puts the onus on the player to excel highly in other attributes, it's possible just rare

 

Being so young, Mudiay still has the chance to become at least a tolerable shooter. I like the way he senses space and slips into pockets off the dribble. He isn't the athletic beast I think that some made him out to be but his instincts so far are NBA ready despite the turnovers. I like his vision and he's unselfish

 

Being away for 3 weeks with injury could perhaps benefit him in terms of sitting back and just absorbing the game as a spectator

post #35823 of 93193

James Harden can get away with killing folks using the Euro-step because he can shoot.

 

 

Tyreke and his Euro-step faded into Bolivia because defenses don't respect his shot.

 

 

Mudiay needs to get that shot up STAT.

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post #35824 of 93193
That's the thing with him. It's not even really shooting the ball, he just struggles to score in general. I really don't think malone did him any favors by just letting him loose. Sometimes you have to protect these rookies from themselves. It can't be good for a young player's confidence to be given the keys off top then abruptly have them snatched away and proceed to watch your team play much better without you. He just needs to minimize his game, be put in better spots instead of always having to create for others (which he can potentially be great at) and also his own offense which is what he doesn't quite grasp yet. He should only be given like 5 shots a game which sounds silly but his percentages are so bad it's probably the best option. He's not at the point where he cherishes shot attempts and possessions since he was given a green light to start off and limiting his touches can help limit his mistakes.
post #35825 of 93193
Pelton also worked for the Pacers.
post #35826 of 93193
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That's the thing with him. It's not even really shooting the ball, he just struggles to score in general. I really don't think malone did him any favors by just letting him loose. Sometimes you have to protect these rookies from themselves. It can't be good for a young player's confidence to be given the keys off top then abruptly have them snatched away and proceed to watch your team play much better without you. He just needs to minimize his game, be put in better spots instead of always having to create for others (which he can potentially be great at) and also his own offense which is what he doesn't quite grasp yet. He should only be given like 5 shots a game which sounds silly but his percentages are so bad it's probably the best option. He's not at the point where he cherishes shot attempts and possessions since he was given a green light to start off and limiting his touches can help limit his mistakes.

What do you mean he had the keys snatched away from him

post #35827 of 93193
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Pelton also worked for the Pacers.

did you enjoy it? 

 

 

cuz it really sucked last night tbh :(

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post #35828 of 93193
how's his defense? can he at least fall back on that?
post #35829 of 93193
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Pelton also worked for the Pacers.
did you enjoy it? 


cuz it really sucked last night tbh frown.gif
I was asleep. frown.gif
post #35830 of 93193

I thought Willy Caulie-Stein just had a jammed finger or something.

 

He's hasn't played since the 3rd of December and is about to miss his however manyith game, what the Deal is!?

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

post #35831 of 93193
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There's no substance whatsoever in that article

I think this guy can be good

This guy is better than I expected

That guy oozes potential

This other guy can be good eventually

There's nothing to gain from reading this trash. Nothing in there tells me that either of these "experts" are even watching games, know anything about basketball or do anything besides collect tweets and piece them together. Garbage

Agreed. Why is ESPN charging users for someone's opinion. Where is the data to back this up?

Also, is everybody really this low on Okafor??
post #35832 of 93193
But hey look on the bright side...

Mudiay isn't "afraid to take risks". That alone makes him a future great and better than Russell.
post #35833 of 93193
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Pelton also worked for the Pacers.
did you enjoy it? 


cuz it really sucked last night tbh frown.gif
I was asleep. frown.gif

well it was really really sucky

 

 

you would have loved it

 

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I thought Willy Caulie-Stein just had a jammed finger or something.

 

He's hasn't played since the 3rd of December and is about to miss his however manyith game, what the Deal is!?

it was an open dislocation of his finger

 

 

saw him working out before the game tho, apparently it was his first time getting work in since hurting the finger

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post #35834 of 93193
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I thought Willy Caulie-Stein just had a jammed finger or something.

 

He's hasn't played since the 3rd of December and is about to miss his however manyith game, what the Deal is!?

It was dislocated, projected to miss 4-6 weeks. At first I thought it was reported as a compound fracture

 

Either way sounds about right that he hasn't played yet

post #35835 of 93193
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What do you mean he had the keys snatched away from him

There was a game where it got heated between him and malone on the sidelines towards the end. Ever since then I noticed other players like Gallo and harris being given more opportunities to run the offense and mudiay getting less minutes and getting benched more often when he would mess up. Before that it was like nash in phx where the ball would constantly find its way into his hands multiple times on the same possesion. He was having some high assist games and it seemed like he was passing the ball 2 or 3 times every possession. I don't know if there's a stat for it but I would bet he averaged a very high number of passes in addition to high usage. But since then the offense hasn't ran thru him so much and jameer nelson has been the go to guy
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how's his defense? can he at least fall back on that?

Not great from what I've seen and his coach also called him out on it. He has times where he really gets after it and looks solid so maybe it's a byproduct of being asked to do so much for the team.
post #35836 of 93193
Mudiay isn't finishing at the rim either:



However, the limited athlete is at least average:

post #35837 of 93193
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Agreed. Why is ESPN charging users for someone's opinion. Where is the data to back this up?

Also, is everybody really this low on Okafor??

I'm not low on any of Towns, Lativa, Russell, Mudiay or Okafor

 

I believe all 5 of them have the potential to be All-Stars at some point 

post #35838 of 93193
As I posted in the thread in general, Knicks player robbed:
post #35839 of 93193
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Originally Posted by leemelone View Post

There's no substance whatsoever in that article

I think this guy can be good

This guy is better than I expected

That guy oozes potential

This other guy can be good eventually

There's nothing to gain from reading this trash. Nothing in there tells me that either of these "experts" are even watching games, know anything about basketball or do anything besides collect tweets and piece them together. Garbage

Agreed. Why is ESPN charging users for someone's opinion. Where is the data to back this up?

Also, is everybody really this low on Okafor??
It was evident in summer league, Okafor was going to score points. But it was also evident he was also a bad defender, mediocre rebounder, and would get his shots blocked.
post #35840 of 93193
damn the Hawks sent THJr to the D-League

still don't know how Phil got a 1st rounder for him

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post #35841 of 93193
Better yet, why did Bud think trading away a first for Hardaway Jr. was a good idea. He's barely even played which makes the trade look even worse.
post #35842 of 93193
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I gain much more insight from nters than I do from ford and pelton, deadass

I don't what you're talking about Pelton's work revealed lots of interesting little details especially when it comes to his draft projection model.

His model revealed a bunch of insight over the years.

- The fact that FT%, and 3PA are better indicators of NBA 3 point shooting potential is
- high turnover rates for rookie PG's are positive indicators of future potential.
- how predictive high college steal rate is for future NBA potential.
- howcollege defensive rebound percentage and steal rate are counter intuitive predictors of NBA success.



Also his model been really good at sniffing out 2nd round steals, had Nikola Jokic, had draymond green if i remember correctly both were top 10 in his warp projections.
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post #35843 of 93193
Supreme NBA insider and draft expert Ford still has Mudiay in the top 3 tho pimp.gif
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post #35844 of 93193
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Supreme NBA insider and draft expert Ford still has Mudiay in the top 3 tho pimp.gif

And he thinks Russell is being judged too harshly, all that most of us have been saying 

post #35845 of 93193

Royce Young@royceyoung

Russell Westbrook wins Western player of the week. Marcin Gortat wins it in the East. Westbrook averaged 28.0 ppg, 8.8 apg and 7.3 rpg. 1h

 

Didn't predict Gortat would ever win this even if it's only for a week. Probably has a lot to do with Wall's surge

post #35846 of 93193
Okb I should mention that I don't keep up with those guys laugh.gif. I was just talking about that one article
post #35847 of 93193
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it was an open dislocation of his finger

 

 

saw him working out before the game tho, apparently it was his first time getting work in since hurting the finger

Oh Damn, crazy he did that on the court. 

 

Jesus Christ, glad he's back or close to back though, SAC could use that length.

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

post #35848 of 93193
Let's take it to the polls Big J!

Who will have the better career

-Manny

-DeAngelo
post #35849 of 93193
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Royce Young@royceyoung

Russell Westbrook wins Western player of the week. Marcin Gortat wins it in the East. Westbrook averaged 28.0 ppg, 8.8 apg and 7.3 rpg. 1h

 

Didn't predict Gortat would ever win this even if it's only for a week. Probably has a lot to do with Wall's surge

And the pure and utter deciimation of their roster.

 

I mean, last week they had like 8 guys in uniform and the other 5 were in suits, like Street Clothes

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

"I apologize, turns out it was not the Thunder's year.  I wish they hadn't played the games"

 

 

post #35850 of 93193
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it was an open dislocation of his finger

 

 

saw him working out before the game tho, apparently it was his first time getting work in since hurting the finger

Oh Damn, crazy he did that on the court. 

 

Jesus Christ, glad he's back or close to back though, SAC could use that length.

yup, that D is missed for sure.

 

WCS this season has def been an under the radar rookie with his versatility on defense

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