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post #42541 of 93193
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It would apply to anyone who thinks Irving making team USA over John Wall is anything other then his affiliation with Duke.

 

Ehhh, Kyrie was pretty good in the Worlds and it isn't like Wall's defense is that much more necessary than Irving's, relative to team USA.

 

It's not like they are playing juggernauts at the PG position that warrant some defensive stalwart.

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post #42542 of 93193
Irving makes more sense for team USA then wall. I'd rather have a guard who can spread the floor and knock down open shots. Pgs like rondo and wall r kinda pointless in international play
post #42543 of 93193
Why would somebody have to defend a 65 defense/35 offense player making the team( Which isnt true) but not have to defend a 65 offense/35 defense plyer making the team?

This line of thinking..Boy I tell ya laugh.gif
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post #42544 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly View Post

When I used the word elite I mean in conjuction with 2 way players.

Much to the game than just offense.

 

 

This isn't even about dismissing the defensive side of the ball.

 

Relative to their competition, being a two way player is overstated. They don't "need" KL or Dray to overwhelm teams defensively. 

 

If this was the NBA it would be a different argument

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post #42545 of 93193
The only argument for PG over Kahwii is that he can create his own shot better



Not really necessary on a team that's going to have a lot of scorers


KL not too shabby in that department anyway
post #42546 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly View Post

Why would somebody have to defend a 65 defense/35 offense player making the team( Which isnt true) but not have to defend a 65 offense/35 defense plyer making the team?

This line of thinking..Boy I tell ya laugh.gif

There is already enough size and length at his position so we don't NEED Kawhi's defense.

 

We benefit more by having Melo's offense (without Kawhi's defense) than we do from having Kawhi's defense (without Melo's offense)

post #42547 of 93193
Kyrie is chosen based off the only two things he does better if you believe he's more deserving. Scoring and ball handling. Those who would take Irving believe those 2 skills > everything else a player can do. Like I said in my first statement. Curry can also space the floor and hit jumpers. Why have two of the same players when you can be more versatile. It doesn't make sense logically.
post #42548 of 93193

Can't go wrong with PG or Kawai but KL may make more sense here as a better spot up shooter. But team USA HAS to pick Paul George because of his injuries so IMO it's null and void to discuss :lol

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post #42549 of 93193
Kevin Love shouldn't even be considered in all honesty.

I'll lose my mind if Kevin Love and Harden are on the same floor together.
post #42550 of 93193
Anthony and George arent really measurably better offensively than Leonard anymore.

This aint 2013 anymore.
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post #42551 of 93193
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Originally Posted by The Collector View Post

Kyrie is chosen based off the only two things he does better if you believe he's more deserving. Scoring and ball handling. Those who would take Irving believe those 2 skills > everything else a player can do. Like I said in my first statement. Curry can also space the floor and hit jumpers. Why have two of the same players when you can be more versatile. It doesn't make sense logically.
Yea but when those two things he does better are the main things they need him to do its a no brainer. International play and nba r very different
post #42552 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly View Post

Anthony and George arent measurably better offensively than Leonard anymore.

This aint 2013 anymore.

Depends on which measurements you are using. He IS a better ball handler, he CAN create his own shot better than Kawhi (has shown). So we can measure that, so he is measureably "better."

post #42553 of 93193
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Kyrie is chosen based off the only two things he does better if you believe he's more deserving. Scoring and ball handling. Those who would take Irving believe those 2 skills > everything else a player can do. Like I said in my first statement.

 

No, those who pick Kyrie > Wall for international ball value his ability as a shooter more so than whatever Wall can do.

 

Wall is the more complete player, but he isn't the better offensive player in this setting. You don't need Wall's defense here. You don't "need" KL's defense here.

 

They can construct a beyond elite defense without "two way" players. There's no outstanding need for great individual defenders in this setting

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post #42554 of 93193

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post #42555 of 93193
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Anthony and George arent really measurably better offensively than Leonard anymore.

This aint 2013 anymore.


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post #42556 of 93193
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Yea but when those two things he does better are the main things they need him to do its a no brainer. International play and nba r very different

Why do you need more scoring when you have more scoring then you know what to do with. Who here honestly believes team USA would have a scoring problem without Irving? Getting shooters wide open looks helps everyone else score. Why is that lost on the thread.
post #42557 of 93193
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly View Post

Anthony and George arent really measurably better offensively than Leonard anymore.

This aint 2013 anymore.

I totally missed you put Melo's name in there. Come on man. Melo and Kawhi aren't in the same league offensively.

post #42558 of 93193
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Anthony and George arent really measurably better offensively than Leonard anymore.

This aint 2013 anymore.

 

 

Anthony and George are absolutely better offensive players than KL.

 

PG can create his shot better than Leonard can. Over 90% of KL's offense is assisted, as opposed to PG which is far less.

 

Regardless, if you think KL is better than Anthony and George as offensive talents then so be it. But the idea that Leonard should make it over George and Anthony because he's a two way player is silly. KL's defense isn't an outstanding need for this team.

 

Plus Melo's GOING TO MAKE IT. Like it's 100% certain.

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post #42559 of 93193
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Why do you need more scoring when you have more scoring then you know what to do with. Who here honestly believes team USA would have a scoring problem without Irving?
Who honestly believe team USA will have trouble stopping pgs or spreading the ball without wall?

The two things wall does best r simply not needed on a team that talented
post #42560 of 93193
Please leave Blake and Chris Paul off the team.
post #42561 of 93193
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Who honestly believe team USA will have trouble stopping pgs or spreading the ball?

The two things wall does best r simply not needed on a team that talented

If that's the case is Dame on everyone's must have list, If not why? Please explain.
post #42562 of 93193
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Please leave Blake and Chris Paul off the team.

 

There's a 100% percent chance that Chris Paul makes this team and Blake has a great shot to make it as well.

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post #42563 of 93193
we all know who the "locks" are: CP3, Melo, LeBron, Davis, KD, Steph, Harden, Westbrook.

there's really only 4-5 spots up for grabs

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post #42564 of 93193
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There's a 100% percent chance that Chris Paul makes this team and Blake has a great shot to make it as well.

Why Paul and not Wall. If what you said about Irving is true why not Dame over CP3?
post #42565 of 93193
Paul is a shoe in to make it, like guaranteed almost unless he gets injured. Blake on the other hand is debatable
post #42566 of 93193
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If that's the case is Dame on everyone's must have list, If not why? Please explain.

 

Dame Lillard isn't the shooter that Kyrie and steph are and isn't the playmaker that CP and Steph are and he isn't as good as Russ.

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post #42567 of 93193
Where the stat to measure ball handling?

I dont see George being a better ball handler or being able to create his own shot better than Leonard.
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post #42568 of 93193
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Originally Posted by nickmaz96 View Post

we all know who the "locks" are: CP3, Melo, LeBron, Davis, KD, Steph, Harden, Westbrook.

there's really only 4-5 spots up for grabs

Harden I don't think is a lock. Personally I think he is gonna get cut, and rightfully so. Dude does not deserve to be there.
post #42569 of 93193
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Dame Lillard isn't the shooter that Kyrie and steph are and isn't the playmaker that CP and Steph are and he isn't as good as Russ.

You think CP3 is that much better then Wall right now? If so I get your case. No more need be said.
post #42570 of 93193
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Why Paul and not Wall. If what you said about Irving is true why not Dame over CP3?

 

Paul was with Coach K in 06 when we were getting torched by baby shaq in greece. From Time type ****. Sets a bad precedence if you don't allow him to go for that 3rd Gold Medal. They've put in over a decade of work for Team USA.

 

So was melo.

 

It's why Both of them are shoe ins. Coach K is loyal to those guys and for good reason. And CP3 is a better shooter than Wall.

 

And Dame isn't as good as CP3. Not the playmaker and really isn't a better shooter either if we're keeping it a buck.

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