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post #44731 of 93193
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But but...It's only a few players they said.

 

They should just "learn" how to shoot free throws they said.

if we did the math its nowhere near as serious as you put it. how many gmes were in december? 20? 30? 140 "hacks" durin that time frame means 4-7 "hacks" per game on average. and we know that christmas wouldve spiked that number. again, i still dont see how a hack is only counted as fouling someone only with the intent of putting them on the line. if i intentional foul to stop the clock how can that be distinguished from a hack? hack is a completely subjective term. i could "hack" steph if theres 10 seconds left in the game, but hes the one holding the ball. but clearly its not a hack.

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post #44732 of 93193
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post #44733 of 93193

just checked. i was SEVERELY underestimating. i ask if there was 30 games in december. theres already 37 games by december 5th. 139 hacks is literally nothing.

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post #44734 of 93193

That's not how "hacks" are counted. There are guys like Kevin Pelton who've been tracking this. It doesn't include fouling at the end of a game to stop the clock. It's specifically the intentional fouls away from the play on crappy free throw shooters.

post #44735 of 93193
jj has been a cold-blooded killer this year. I dig his whole demeanor. He left that f boy duke **** in Durham and he wants no parts of the Clippers f boy culture. Dude is literally on an island by himself. His arm is Wilson.

Lakers tho...

Lakers tho...

post #44736 of 93193
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That's not how "hacks" are counted. There are guys like Kevin Pelton who've been tracking this. It doesn't include fouling at the end of a game to stop the clock. It's specifically the intentional fouls away from the play on crappy free throw shooters.

 

but i just dont get it. if im playing a team of good FT shooters, say the warriors. we need to foul in 4th quarter. im not fouling steph who undoubtedly has the ball. hell i dont know who to foul, but it wont be steph. try my luck with barnes? who knows. but thats fouling away from the ball. 

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post #44737 of 93193
Shooting free throws after four fouls was designed to be a penalty. That's why it's called being in the penalty. Instead, you have Pop purposely getting his team in the penalty in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd quarter in order to foul Deandre, drummond etc. now how is that not exploiting the rule? Was that the true intention of the rule when it was created.

Remember, my argument was not that it shoudl not be allowed at all. I said it should not be allowed in the first three quarters. There is no reason to be intentionally fouling in the first half man.
post #44738 of 93193

just did a quick count... 214 games in december in total. 139 hacks total. less than 1 a game average. i think thats just fine. tell dwight to do what must be done and stop hurting his team.

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post #44739 of 93193
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post #44740 of 93193
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That's not how "hacks" are counted. There are guys like Kevin Pelton who've been tracking this. It doesn't include fouling at the end of a game to stop the clock. It's specifically the intentional fouls away from the play on crappy free throw shooters.

but i just dont get it. if im playing a team of good FT shooters, say the warriors. we need to foul in 4th quarter. im not fouling steph who undoubtedly has the ball. hell i dont know who to foul, but it wont be steph. try my luck with barnes? who knows. but thats fouling away from the ball. 

play the odds. 4th qtr, foul draymond. He's becoming their main laymaker. Especially when they go small. He's not the best ft shooter. But the good teams weigh the options and prefer to keep the ball in the best ft shooters hand when they know the foul is coming. Iggy is also a liability at the line. Foul him.

But yeah, like you said, ouling away form the ball is tough. That's why usually it is an exericise in futility and the ball ends up in the best shooters hand more often than it doesnt. Then it turns into a hoping this 90% shooter dips into that other 10% for at least one shot.

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Lakers tho...

post #44741 of 93193

freethrows and intentional fouls are a part of the game, it doesnt hurt the game at all

 

if teams want to play at a slower pace, thats up to the coach

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post #44742 of 93193
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play the odds. 4th qtr, foul draymond. He's becoming their main laymaker. Especially when they go small. He's not the best ft shooter. But the good teams weigh the options and prefer to keep the ball in the best ft shooters hand when they know the foul is coming. Iggy is also a liability at the line. Foul him.

But yeah, like you said, ouling away form the ball is tough. That's why usually it is an exericise in futility and the ball ends up in the best shooters hand more often than it doesnt. Then it turns into a hoping this 90% shooter dips into that other 10% for at least one shot.

 

nah i was using GSW as an example for why its ridiculous to try to peg whats a "hack" and what isnt. becuz ull obviously foul away from the ball on ANY team with a good FT handling the ball. its not a hack. its a smart foul. so how do u differentiate? like, if i saw steph with the ball and we gotta foul, i gotta foul draymond like u said. im not hacking a draymond.... its just, i cant put steph on the line and we need to stop the clock...

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post #44743 of 93193

I think people undervalue the skill behind free throw shooting.

 

Just because someone shoots great free throws, doesn't mean that someone else should do so too.

 

If you're 5'9, and work really hard on jumping, you probably won't jump as high as prime Nate Robinson. Similarly, just because you practice really hard on Free Throws, doesn't mean you'll be very good at it. You may improve, but you'll never be good at it. I, with my own eyes, have seen DJ practice with an expert shooting coach on his Free Throws. Sometimes, certain skills just aren't in the cards for players.

 

If you want to exploit a loophole in the rules then so be it, but it's becoming a widespread thing and one has to always remember that, the NBA is a production that by in large is fan driven. There's data driven metrics that prove that this is much more widespread than it's given credit for. Doesn't appear that the rule change is imminent, but in regards to hacking, I could see it being changed very soon.

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post #44744 of 93193
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That's not how "hacks" are counted. There are guys like Kevin Pelton who've been tracking this. It doesn't include fouling at the end of a game to stop the clock. It's specifically the intentional fouls away from the play on crappy free throw shooters.

 

but i just dont get it. if im playing a team of good FT shooters, say the warriors. we need to foul in 4th quarter. im not fouling steph who undoubtedly has the ball. hell i dont know who to foul, but it wont be steph. try my luck with barnes? who knows. but thats fouling away from the ball. 

 

What do you mean, at the end of the game? That doesn't happen. It's not allowed in the last 2 minutes.

post #44745 of 93193
Yeah not everything translates even with effort.

I've seen Ben Wallace knock down 20 footers in warm-ups and even a few threes but we all know when game time came he wasn't the guy for that at all laugh.gif
post #44746 of 93193

I forget, did anyone use Hack a Shaq against him on the Lakers in any of their finals? 

 

I feel like if something like that happened today in the NBA Finals, social media and their power could force swift change. Of course this would mean the Clippers would have to make the Finals, so, idk

post #44747 of 93193

Like my man Yae Yae Redick religiously works on his handle with JP almost daily, and while he's improved, he's still below average in that regard and can't put in on the deck against good pressure defense. 

 

Some skills aren't in the cards for people, especially once they hit the NBA. 

 

Free Throw shooting is a skill. Shooting is a skill. Just because Blake Griffin improved as a shooter doesn't automatically mean that the next person should be able to do the same.

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post #44748 of 93193
I'm pretty sure that was Todd MacCulloch's only job that Finals.
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I forget, did anyone use Hack a Shaq against him on the Lakers in any of their finals? 

I feel like if something like that happened today in the NBA Finals, social media and their power could force swift change. Of course this would mean the Clippers would have to make the Finals, so, idk

Or Rockets.

Honestly, the only way that I think the rules change related to the hack-a strategy is if the fans get really vocal about it and it has an actual appreciable, negative impact on game attendance and/or TV viewership. I don't think we'll ever get to that point though. Until that happens, the "guys just need to make their free throws" argument is going to prevail.
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post #44750 of 93193

If we had a **** show, like what Portland did to LAC earlier this year, in the NBA Finals, that would be HILARIOUS. I hope it happens

post #44751 of 93193
Wasn't it implemented in an entire 7 game series last year?
post #44752 of 93193
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Yeah not everything translates even with effort.

I've seen Ben Wallace knock down 20 footers in warm-ups and even a few threes but we all know when game time came he wasn't the guy for that at all laugh.gif

ive seen the god dj mbenga knock down 8 threes in a row in warmups 

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post #44753 of 93193
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Wasn't it implemented in an entire 7 game series last year?

Almost. But that wasn't the NBA Finals

post #44754 of 93193
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I think people undervalue the skill behind free throw shooting.

Just because someone shoots great free throws, doesn't mean that someone else should do so too.

If you're 5'9, and work really hard on jumping, you probably won't jump as high as prime Nate Robinson. Similarly, just because you practice really hard on Free Throws, doesn't mean you'll be very good at it. You may improve, but you'll never be good at it. I, with my own eyes, have seen DJ practice with an expert shooting coach on his Free Throws. Sometimes, certain skills just aren't in the cards for players.

If you want to exploit a loophole in the rules then so be it, but it's becoming a widespread thing and one has to always remember that, the NBA is a production that by in large is fan driven. There's data driven metrics that prove that this is much more widespread than it's given credit for. Doesn't appear that the rule change is imminent, but in regards to hacking, I could see it being changed very soon.

i agree with that just cause you work hard doesn't mean that it will translate. but if you're doing the same thing and getting similar results then maybe you should try something different. just cause DJ is working with an expert shooting coach doesn't mean that's the shooting coach for him. not getting results is never the answer brah and shooting 40% ft shouldn't be reality.
post #44755 of 93193

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83.
84. Dennis Johnson
85. Dave Debusschere
86. Chris Bosh
87. Chauncey Billups
88. Billy Cunningham
89. Yao Ming
90. Paul Arizin
91. Mo Cheeks
92. Nate Thurmond
93. Lenny Wilkens
94. Mark Price
95. Marc Gasol
96. Bobby Jones
97. James Harden
98. Gail Goodrich
99. Kevin Love
100. Shawn Kemp
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post #44757 of 93193

serious question

 

are there any europeans that shoot under 55% from the line? 8o

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post #44758 of 93193
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I think people undervalue the skill behind free throw shooting.

 

Just because someone shoots great free throws, doesn't mean that someone else should do so too.

 

If you're 5'9, and work really hard on jumping, you probably won't jump as high as prime Nate Robinson. Similarly, just because you practice really hard on Free Throws, doesn't mean you'll be very good at it. You may improve, but you'll never be good at it. I, with my own eyes, have seen DJ practice with an expert shooting coach on his Free Throws. Sometimes, certain skills just aren't in the cards for players.

 

If you want to exploit a loophole in the rules then so be it, but it's becoming a widespread thing and one has to always remember that, the NBA is a production that by in large is fan driven. There's data driven metrics that prove that this is much more widespread than it's given credit for. Doesn't appear that the rule change is imminent, but in regards to hacking, I could see it being changed very soon.

 

genetics play a huge role in jumping ability. there is a physical limitation. there is no physical limitation for shooting a free throw. whether ur 5'5 or 7'0, you can swish just the same as everybody else. so i cant give them a pass like that.

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post #44759 of 93193
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i agree with that just cause you work hard doesn't mean that it will translate. but if you're doing the same thing and getting similar results then maybe you should try something different. just cause DJ is working with an expert shooting coach doesn't mean that's the shooting coach for him. not getting results is never the answer brah and shooting 40% ft shouldn't be reality.

IDK , man. I feel like even if DJ started shooting FTs underhanded he wouldn't improve that much. He just has problems with touch. Even underhanded, he'd lob up some airballs and some shots that would fly off the backboard. Serious.
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post #44760 of 93193
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serious question

 

are there any europeans that shoot under 55% from the line? 8o

Does Vucevic count? He came to America his senior year of HS. Right now he's shooting low 50's but historically he's shot much better

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