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post #52891 of 93193
it's time for an intentional foul thread.

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post #52892 of 93193
Anyone play FanDuel here? If so, how much was your biggest winning?
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Same could be said about shooting free throws. These dudes are millionaires. They should know how to shoot free throws. Practice free throws. It's boring. But it's a strategical move that gets the ball back to your hands with higher chances of them not scoring. Free throws and the ball back does make sense tho. 
as someone else stated . freethrows are given as a penalty .defense is actually a bigger part of the game , teach these dudes how to play d and not have to resort to dumb tactics . they are millionaires , sending dudes to the free throw line is just being lazy. Not wanting to play defense thus they not doing their jobs .
post #52894 of 93193
Dan Woike ‏@DanWoikeSports · 20m20 minutes ago
Sources: Denver reached out and asked about Blake Griffin but Clippers weren't interested. Not much discussion
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post #52895 of 93193
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Anyone play FanDuel here? If so, how much was your biggest winning?

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post #52896 of 93193

Just saw something that that 76'ers and Clippers discussed a Blake trade lol 

post #52897 of 93193

So it sounds like the Clippers have talked to every team about a BG trade

post #52898 of 93193
Both Sixers and Nuggets have had discussions with Clippers about Blake Griffin, per league sources. @sn_nba earlier reported Nuggets talks. - @AmicoHoops
post #52899 of 93193
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Are they gonna allow bad dribblers extra steps next. No bailouts...
lol since when is traveling called in the NBA .
post #52900 of 93193
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Both Sixers and Nuggets have had discussions with Clippers about Blake Griffin, per league sources. @sn_nba earlier reported Nuggets talks. - @AmicoHoops

Sixers: "We're interested in trading for Blake."

Clippers: "We're not interested in trading Blake right now. It's not his fault."

***SIXERS & CLIPPERS HAVE DISCUSSED A BLAKE GRIFFIN TRADE***

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post #52901 of 93193
 
LeBron James not in favor of doing away with hack-a-Shaq. Says it's no different from pressuring someone who can't dribble. Onus on player.

 

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post #52902 of 93193
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Same could be said about shooting free throws. These dudes are millionaires. They should know how to shoot free throws. Practice free throws. It's boring. But it's a strategical move that gets the ball back to your hands with higher chances of them not scoring. Free throws and the ball back does make sense tho. 

 

Are you insinuating that bad free throw shooters don't practice on their free throws?

 

By that logic, everyone should just practice harder on 3's so that they can shoot 3's like curry.

 

Free throw shooting is a skill. No matter how easy it may seem and is to some / most, not everyone has that skill, for a variety of reasons. 

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post #52903 of 93193

I honestly could careless if they do away with it or not, the entertainment value of it doesn't matter much to me personally.

 

However, my point(s) is that

 

1) Free throw shooting is a skill. Just like dribbling, shooting 3's, layups at the rim, etc. shooting free throws is a skill. Not everyone is going to be good at it, no matter how much work is put into it.

 

2) The League cares about the entertainment value and integrity of the rule, and once it becomes as widespread as it is now, the league's hand is kind of forced to at least alter the rule to a degree. There's no place for dry humping a player for the sake of fouling him or playing tag in the middle of an NBA game. 

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post #52904 of 93193
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I honestly could careless if they do away with it or not, the entertainment value of it doesn't matter much to me personally.

However, my point(s) is that

1) Free throw shooting is a skill. Just like dribbling, shooting 3's, layups at the rim, etc. shooting free throws is a skill. Not everyone is going to be good at it, no matter how much work is put into it.

2) The League cares about the entertainment value and integrity of the rule, and once it becomes as widespread as it is now, the league's hand is kind of forced to at least alter the rule to a degree. There's no place for dry humping a player for the sake of fouling him or playing tag in the middle of an NBA game. 
repped

I care and I'm glad its going to be addressed. It kills the entertainment value for me when the hack a whoever is being implemented. I like the game . free throws are boring period and to see it being taken advantage of as a cheap way to substitute for actual defense is a detriment to the game period.how anyone argues otherwise is ridiculous to me . that's how I feel about that
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Are they gonna allow bad dribblers extra steps next. No bailouts...
lol since when is traveling called in the NBA .
LOL, as of now they only good dribblers get away with it. As far as the fouls go, if I were a coach I wouldn't do it in the middle of the game like some of these cats but with the game on the line hells yeah. Away from the ball is bs but anytime a dominant big with poor free throws gets the ball in the paint he's gonna more than likely get fouled over giving up an easy 2
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post #52906 of 93193
No, I think free throw shooting is something you can become good at with repetition - if your hands allow it to be possible (some guys like Shaq for example are shooting softballs). Free throw situations are hard to simulate and replicate, but I think it's different from layups, three-point shooting. I've seen Dwight Howard too embarrassed to go 0-2 at the line when they're doing Hack-A-Dwight because it's snowballing, and to some people being less embarrassed can be a greater motivator than focusing in when you're supposed to make them.

Some people's hands are too big, sure... laugh.gif

But there's no reason Nikola Pekovic should be shooting 80% at the line this year (career % a few percentage points below) and Rondo is over there making 57% (this year) and a career 60% FT shooter.
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post #52907 of 93193
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LeBron James not in favor of doing away with hack-a-Shaq. Says it's no different from pressuring someone who can't dribble. Onus on player.

Just like backing off a player who can't shoot, packing the paint and making it harder to score for everyone else. It's on the player to knock down those shots and make the defense actually work.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea someone came up with yesterday. You get 6 fouls and you're out right? How about you get 6 foul shots, 3 intentional off ball fouls in two minutes and if you can't hit 50% you're "fouled out" for the next two minutes. On ball, anything goes. Holds players accountable and keeps fans entertained.

If it's done away with completely that's just some tee ball ****. What they'll probably do is make it so you can't intentionally foul off ball on consecutive possessions or something.
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But there's no reason Nikola Pekovic should be shooting 80% at the line this year (career % a few percentage points below) and Rondo is over there making 57% (this year) and a career 60% FT shooter.

 

This right here is a fallacy with your logic.

 

Because one person is good at something, doesn't mean someone else should be good at something. 

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post #52909 of 93193
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Just like backing off a player who can't shoot, packing the paint and making it harder to score for everyone else. It's on the player to knock down those shots and make the defense actually work.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea someone came up with yesterday. You get 6 fouls and you're out right? How about you get 6 foul shots, 3 intentional off ball fouls in two minutes and if you can't hit 50% you're "fouled out" for the next two minutes. On ball, anything goes. Holds players accountable and keeps fans entertained.

If it's done away with completely that's just some tee ball ****. What they'll probably do is make it so you can't intentionally foul off ball on consecutive possessions or something.

I was thinking that too, you want your star big out there, he gotta hit his free throws
post #52910 of 93193
It's an example of someone that clearly has practiced free throws and not practiced shooting jump shots (Pekovic).
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post #52911 of 93193
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I was thinking that too, you want your star big out there, he gotta hit his free throws

Right. I just remember watching shaq and it was ALWAYS like C'mon bruh you gotta make those, is it that hard? Nobody was crying for a rule change to bail him out, everyone was on his head about it and putting the blame on him.
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Right. I just remember watching shaq and it was ALWAYS like C'mon bruh you gotta make those, is it that hard? Nobody was crying for a rule change to bail him out, everyone was on his head about it and putting the blame on him.

 

Well,

 

Correct me if i'm wrong, but hacking wasn't nearrlllyyy as widespread as it is now. I don't remember hacking off the ball being close to as prevalent as it is today. 

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post #52913 of 93193
look at blake though. dude was awful shooting anything outside of like 5 feet in the beginning. but dude put that work in.

i remember they used to make excuses for rondo by saying his hands were too big. then kawhi came through and crushed the building. then they started making excuses like guys are too big, too strong.

get your weak *** in the gym and practice. i dont want to hear why they arent falling. are you retarded? i mean like mentally retarded? no? so you have the ability to learn then? yes? good, shut the hell up and get your *** in the gym and figure it out.

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look at blake though. dude was awful shooting anything outside of like 5 feet in the beginning. but dude put that work in.

i remember they used to make excuses for rondo by saying his hands were too big. then kawhi came through and crushed the building. then they started making excuses like guys are too big, too strong.

get your weak *** in the gym and practice. i dont want to hear why they arent falling. are you retarded? i mean like mentally retarded? no? so you have the ability to learn then? yes? good, shut the hell up and get your *** in the gym and figure it out.

 

:lol

 

It's not that simple.

 

Again free throw shooting is a skill. It may be an easier skill to most, but that's still relative and subjective. 

 

By your logic, if everyone were to put the work in they would all be close to steph curry good from 3. I mean, all they have to do is get their weak ***** in the gym and practice right? If they aren't retarded of course.

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post #52916 of 93193
No one's saying Rondo SHOULD be because Pekovic IS, but if there are multiple precedents (not just one) of non-shooters being good at FT's, you think they became good at shooting from that distance when not jumping (and terrible when jumping) due to uh luck? The contrast is too great to be anything other than practice/repetition.

It would be a fault in my logic if Pekovic was good at shooting from that distance in-game and I said, 'Well centers are traditionally bad a FT's and look he's good" while faulting Rondo because guards at traditonally good at FT's, but no, I'm using those two as examples to show what TWO bad in-game shooters can overcome at the line with repetition.

If you think Pekovic became that good at the FT line because uh, "good luck slid to him, and Rondo's that bad because the bad luck slid to him," then you're discounting the process of working on anything. Pekovic would shoot 10-20% from that range in-game, and then suddenly 80% when he doesn't jump from that range because of what?

I can bring up other examples to show you that multiple precedents doesn't equate to an outlier like whatever you're going on about

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By your logic, if everyone were to put the work in they would all be close to steph curry good from 3.

No one's alluding to this type of logic but you.
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post #52917 of 93193
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Well,

Correct me if i'm wrong, but hacking wasn't nearrlllyyy as widespread as it is now. I don't remember hacking off the ball being close to as prevalent as it is today. 

What difference does that make? I'm talking about players being held accountable for their own game. Could be one could be 100, you gotta be able to make a free throw at least half the time. Nobody is saying you have to be steph, just knock down 50% at the least. There's no excuse for that. MJ and Dr j had huge hands too. I've tried shooting tennis balls, mini bballs etc and it's not that damn hard imo
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I don't know man, I said this a few weeks ago.

 

If guys like Dwight, Deandre, Josh Smith, etc. are getting top of the line, all world assistance on their free throw shooting, and they stillll are bad, what is that saying? Are you saying these elite level coaches are flawed in their approach?

 

Don't say they don't work on it, because that's simply foolish. 

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It's not that simple.

Again free throw shooting is a skill. It may be an easier skill to most, but that's still relative and subjective. 

By your logic, if everyone were to put the work in they would all be close to steph curry good from 3. I mean, all they have to do is get their weak ***** in the gym and practice right? If they aren't retarded of course.
they bring up silly examples like Blake and Duncan . those dudes have a shot
When you see DJ Howard or Drummond take a shot. Those dudes can't shoot period. It has nothing to do with how much practice you put in. Some people can and some can't. All the practice in the world ain't going to make much of a difference .
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What difference does that make? I'm talking about players being held accountable for their own game. Could be one could be 100, you gotta be able to make a free throw at least half the time. Nobody is saying you have to be steph, just knock down 50% at the least. There's no excuse for that. MJ and Dr j had huge hands too. I've tried shooting tennis balls, mini bballs etc and it's not that damn hard imo

 

Again, it's subjective.

 

Shooting a tennis ball, or whatever may not be hard to you but to someone else, it may be. And I have no idea what the hands argument is about, I never brought that up. It could be a variety of reasons why someone can't shoot free throws but, How good Dr J or MJ is at free throws with big hands has no bearing on any other player's ability to shoot free throws. 

 

Also, it's impossible to replicate shooting free throws amidst 20k ppl in an arena. It's easier for some, than others. 

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