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But but...It's only a few players they said.

They should just "learn" how to shoot free throws they said.
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if we did the math its nowhere near as serious as you put it. how many gmes were in december? 20? 30? 140 "hacks" durin that time frame means 4-7 "hacks" per game on average. and we know that christmas wouldve spiked that number. again, i still dont see how a hack is only counted as fouling someone only with the intent of putting them on the line. if i intentional foul to stop the clock how can that be distinguished from a hack? hack is a completely subjective term. i could "hack" steph if theres 10 seconds left in the game, but hes the one holding the ball. but clearly its not a hack.
 
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I have crossed over to the "Dark Side" OKC it is for me.

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Repped.

Got that re-up
 
just checked. i was SEVERELY underestimating. i ask if there was 30 games in december. theres already 37 games by december 5th. 139 hacks is literally nothing.
 
That's not how "hacks" are counted. There are guys like Kevin Pelton who've been tracking this. It doesn't include fouling at the end of a game to stop the clock. It's specifically the intentional fouls away from the play on crappy free throw shooters.
 
jj has been a cold-blooded killer this year. I dig his whole demeanor. He left that f boy duke **** in Durham and he wants no parts of the Clippers f boy culture. Dude is literally on an island by himself. His arm is Wilson.
 
JD617 said:
 
That's not how "hacks" are counted. There are guys like Kevin Pelton who've been tracking this. It doesn't include fouling at the end of a game to stop the clock. It's specifically the intentional fouls away from the play on crappy free throw shooters.
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but i just dont get it. if im playing a team of good FT shooters, say the warriors. we need to foul in 4th quarter. im not fouling steph who undoubtedly has the ball. hell i dont know who to foul, but it wont be steph. try my luck with barnes? who knows. but thats fouling away from the ball. 
 
Shooting free throws after four fouls was designed to be a penalty. That's why it's called being in the penalty. Instead, you have Pop purposely getting his team in the penalty in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd quarter in order to foul Deandre, drummond etc. now how is that not exploiting the rule? Was that the true intention of the rule when it was created.

Remember, my argument was not that it shoudl not be allowed at all. I said it should not be allowed in the first three quarters. There is no reason to be intentionally fouling in the first half man.
 
just did a quick count... 214 games in december in total. 139 hacks total. less than 1 a game average. i think thats just fine. tell dwight to do what must be done and stop hurting his team.
 
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JD617 said:
 
That's not how "hacks" are counted. There are guys like Kevin Pelton who've been tracking this. It doesn't include fouling at the end of a game to stop the clock. It's specifically the intentional fouls away from the play on crappy free throw shooters.
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but i just dont get it. if im playing a team of good FT shooters, say the warriors. we need to foul in 4th quarter. im not fouling steph who undoubtedly has the ball. hell i dont know who to foul, but it wont be steph. try my luck with barnes? who knows. but thats fouling away from the ball. 
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play the odds. 4th qtr, foul draymond. He's becoming their main laymaker. Especially when they go small. He's not the best ft shooter. But the good teams weigh the options and prefer to keep the ball in the best ft shooters hand when they know the foul is coming. Iggy is also a liability at the line. Foul him.

But yeah, like you said, ouling away form the ball is tough. That's why usually it is an exericise in futility and the ball ends up in the best shooters hand more often than it doesnt. Then it turns into a hoping this 90% shooter dips into that other 10% for at least one shot.
 
freethrows and intentional fouls are a part of the game, it doesnt hurt the game at all

if teams want to play at a slower pace, thats up to the coach
 
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play the odds. 4th qtr, foul draymond. He's becoming their main laymaker. Especially when they go small. He's not the best ft shooter. But the good teams weigh the options and prefer to keep the ball in the best ft shooters hand when they know the foul is coming. Iggy is also a liability at the line. Foul him.

But yeah, like you said, ouling away form the ball is tough. That's why usually it is an exericise in futility and the ball ends up in the best shooters hand more often than it doesnt. Then it turns into a hoping this 90% shooter dips into that other 10% for at least one shot.
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nah i was using GSW as an example for why its ridiculous to try to peg whats a "hack" and what isnt. becuz ull obviously foul away from the ball on ANY team with a good FT handling the ball. its not a hack. its a smart foul. so how do u differentiate? like, if i saw steph with the ball and we gotta foul, i gotta foul draymond like u said. im not hacking a draymond.... its just, i cant put steph on the line and we need to stop the clock...
 
I think people undervalue the skill behind free throw shooting.

Just because someone shoots great free throws, doesn't mean that someone else should do so too.

If you're 5'9, and work really hard on jumping, you probably won't jump as high as prime Nate Robinson. Similarly, just because you practice really hard on Free Throws, doesn't mean you'll be very good at it. You may improve, but you'll never be good at it. I, with my own eyes, have seen DJ practice with an expert shooting coach on his Free Throws. Sometimes, certain skills just aren't in the cards for players.

If you want to exploit a loophole in the rules then so be it, but it's becoming a widespread thing and one has to always remember that, the NBA is a production that by in large is fan driven. There's data driven metrics that prove that this is much more widespread than it's given credit for. Doesn't appear that the rule change is imminent, but in regards to hacking, I could see it being changed very soon.
 
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TEKtheMAESTRO said:
 
JD617 said:
 
That's not how "hacks" are counted. There are guys like Kevin Pelton who've been tracking this. It doesn't include fouling at the end of a game to stop the clock. It's specifically the intentional fouls away from the play on crappy free throw shooters.
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but i just dont get it. if im playing a team of good FT shooters, say the warriors. we need to foul in 4th quarter. im not fouling steph who undoubtedly has the ball. hell i dont know who to foul, but it wont be steph. try my luck with barnes? who knows. but thats fouling away from the ball. 
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What do you mean, at the end of the game? That doesn't happen. It's not allowed in the last 2 minutes.
 
Yeah not everything translates even with effort.

I've seen Ben Wallace knock down 20 footers in warm-ups and even a few threes but we all know when game time came he wasn't the guy for that at all :lol:
 
I forget, did anyone use Hack a Shaq against him on the Lakers in any of their finals? 

I feel like if something like that happened today in the NBA Finals, social media and their power could force swift change. Of course this would mean the Clippers would have to make the Finals, so, idk
 
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Like my man Yae Yae Redick religiously works on his handle with JP almost daily, and while he's improved, he's still below average in that regard and can't put in on the deck against good pressure defense. 

Some skills aren't in the cards for people, especially once they hit the NBA. 

Free Throw shooting is a skill. Shooting is a skill. Just because Blake Griffin improved as a shooter doesn't automatically mean that the next person should be able to do the same.
 
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I forget, did anyone use Hack a Shaq against him on the Lakers in any of their finals? 

I feel like if something like that happened today in the NBA Finals, social media and their power could force swift change. Of course this would mean the Clippers would have to make the Finals, so, idk
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Or Rockets.

Honestly, the only way that I think the rules change related to the hack-a strategy is if the fans get really vocal about it and it has an actual appreciable, negative impact on game attendance and/or TV viewership. I don't think we'll ever get to that point though. Until that happens, the "guys just need to make their free throws" argument is going to prevail.
 
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If we had a **** show, like what Portland did to LAC earlier this year, in the NBA Finals, that would be HILARIOUS. I hope it happens
 
8PM at MSG said:
Yeah not everything translates even with effort.

I've seen Ben Wallace knock down 20 footers in warm-ups and even a few threes but we all know when game time came he wasn't the guy for that at all
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ive seen the god dj mbenga knock down 8 threes in a row in warmups 
 
shoeking2102 said:
I think people undervalue the skill behind free throw shooting.

Just because someone shoots great free throws, doesn't mean that someone else should do so too.

If you're 5'9, and work really hard on jumping, you probably won't jump as high as prime Nate Robinson. Similarly, just because you practice really hard on Free Throws, doesn't mean you'll be very good at it. You may improve, but you'll never be good at it. I, with my own eyes, have seen DJ practice with an expert shooting coach on his Free Throws. Sometimes, certain skills just aren't in the cards for players.

If you want to exploit a loophole in the rules then so be it, but it's becoming a widespread thing and one has to always remember that, the NBA is a production that by in large is fan driven. There's data driven metrics that prove that this is much more widespread than it's given credit for. Doesn't appear that the rule change is imminent, but in regards to hacking, I could see it being changed very soon.
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i agree with that just cause you work hard doesn't mean that it will translate. but if you're doing the same thing and getting similar results then maybe you should try something different. just cause DJ is working with an expert shooting coach doesn't mean that's the shooting coach for him. not getting results is never the answer brah and shooting 40% ft shouldn't be reality.
 
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if they made decisions purely based on putting forward the most entertaining product possible, they would have kicked the spurs out of the league years ago 
 
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